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FYI...:

Printer Model: Hewlett Packard 7150; Hewlett Packard OEM Inks
  • Champion Inkjet Paper Photo Image Glossy Finish, Rated At 6 Years
  • Office Depot Premium High Gloss Photo Paper, Rated At 11 Years
  • HP Premium Plus Photo Glossy, The Rating Is 28.4 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Classic Gloss, The Rating Is 30.3 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Classic Pearl, The Rating Is 30.3 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl, The Rating Is 4.2 Years
  • Canon Photo Paper Pro (PPP), The Rating Is 3.3 Years
  • Fujifilm Multijet Premium Satin , The Rating Is 7.5 Years
  • Fujifilm Multijet Premium Glossy, The Rating Is 5.3 Years
  • Epson Premium Glossy Photo Paper, The Rating Is 12.8 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Smooth Fine Art Paper, The Rating Is 3.2 Years
  • HP Photo Paper Premium Plus Matte, Our Projected Rating Is 30 Years
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Fotografer
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Fotografer-thank you so much for keeping us up to date on these numbers. I know that those of us with one of the HP Photosmart printers really appreciate you!!
 
fotografer said:
FYI...:

Printer Model: Hewlett Packard 7150; Hewlett Packard OEM Inks
  • Champion Inkjet Paper Photo Image Glossy Finish, Rated At 6 Years
  • Office Depot Premium High Gloss Photo Paper, Rated At 11 Years
  • HP Premium Plus Photo Glossy, The Rating Is 28.4 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Classic Gloss, The Rating Is 30.3 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Classic Pearl, The Rating Is 30.3 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl, The Rating Is 4.2 Years
  • Canon Photo Paper Pro (PPP), The Rating Is 3.3 Years
  • Fujifilm Multijet Premium Satin , The Rating Is 7.5 Years
  • Fujifilm Multijet Premium Glossy, The Rating Is 5.3 Years
  • Epson Premium Glossy Photo Paper, The Rating Is 12.8 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Smooth Fine Art Paper, The Rating Is 3.2 Years
  • HP Photo Paper Premium Plus Matte, Our Projected Rating Is 30 Years
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And in a e-mail They reported:
"For your HP 7350, 57 and 58 Inks, and HP Photo Paper
Premium Plus Matte, we get a rating of 32.8 years which
is excellent."

Seems to me that the HP printers are the way to go if you want prints that last!
John Bradbury
 
for sharing this info with us. So the HP PPPP Matte is the king for longevity prints. :)

Good. I still have 15+ of them with me. ;)
John Bradbury said:
And in a e-mail They reported:
"For your HP 7350, 57 and 58 Inks, and HP Photo Paper
Premium Plus Matte, we get a rating of 32.8 years which
is excellent."

Seems to me that the HP printers are the way to go if you want
prints that last!
John Bradbury
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Don,
Member said:
Unless you consider the 'projections' (tests still under way) for
the 2200, which range up to 240 years and over 300 with varnish,
and even Epson's enhanced matte is estimated at 120 years.
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It would indeed be interesting to know if the varnish will help the new HP (and the Canon OEM) inks to last much longer than their projected un-varnished counterparts...

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Stephen,

Yes, varnish is applied after the prints are made from the printer.

It might be good to read how Stephen Livick from http://www.livick.com/ does his varnishing.
Stephen Waits said:
Is this varnish something that can be manually applied after a
print is complete?
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BTW, Don, the 120 years for the Epson enhanced matte paper is only for b/w works, no separate color bands are tested to give such results without varnish. It'll be interesting how the HP composite black fare in this respect too...

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In fact, if you read Livick report carefully, pigments are known to show spider web crack after prolong exposure to illumination. Since they are pigment particles held together by the carrier agent (which is a polymer), the longevity of those cross-linking bonds should be taken into account too when exposed to illumination. With dye, such polymeric carrier agents are not applicable...
JohnL said:
The pigs might be but the media yellowing is another matter.

...John
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Fotografer
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Thanks for clarifying. I knew that some of the 200-300 yr results were b&w but didn't notice that these were. Livick wasn't as clear as he usually is in specifying. But note that at the bottom of the page he says "THE EPSON BLACK AND WHITE PRINT TESTING FADE RATE IS AN INDICATION OF THE PRINTS OVERALL INK FADE OUT RATE."
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fotografer said:
BTW, Don, the 120 years for the Epson enhanced matte paper is only
for b/w works, no separate color bands are tested to give such
results without varnish. It'll be interesting how the HP composite
black fare in this respect too...

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The Epson enhanced matte paper is not archival. While the inks may last a long time, it is doubtful that the paper will. I suspect that it will yellow long before 120 years. Leon
fotografer said:
Yes, varnish is applied after the prints are made from the printer.

It might be good to read how Stephen Livick from
http://www.livick.com/ does his varnishing.
fotografer said:
Is this varnish something that can be manually applied after a
print is complete?
Click to expand...
BTW, Don, the 120 years for the Epson enhanced matte paper is only
for b/w works, no separate color bands are tested to give such
results without varnish. It'll be interesting how the HP composite
black fare in this respect too...

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Fotografer
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I feel where you display your prints plays a huge roll in how fast they fade. I have numerous autographed photos and I learned the above the hard way. I do a lot of printing for my own use. Most are stored in acid free albums. I have severl frames and occasionally I rotate a new print into the frame. As far a a print lasting twenty years or more I'm not concerned with it. I print 98% of my stuff for my own use. The way technology moves along most of us will buy a new printer within the next couple of years if not within the next couple of months. We then will look at our new prints compared to our s9000 prints (my choice) and say wow my s9000 really wasn't all that good. I think I better get my archived photo and reprint it and re-frame it. If I was selling prints this would be a whole diferant matter. Just my two cents.
fotografer said:
FYI...:

Printer Model: Hewlett Packard 7150; Hewlett Packard OEM Inks
  • Champion Inkjet Paper Photo Image Glossy Finish, Rated At 6 Years
  • Office Depot Premium High Gloss Photo Paper, Rated At 11 Years
  • HP Premium Plus Photo Glossy, The Rating Is 28.4 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Classic Gloss, The Rating Is 30.3 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Classic Pearl, The Rating Is 30.3 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl, The Rating Is 4.2 Years
  • Canon Photo Paper Pro (PPP), The Rating Is 3.3 Years
  • Fujifilm Multijet Premium Satin , The Rating Is 7.5 Years
  • Fujifilm Multijet Premium Glossy, The Rating Is 5.3 Years
  • Epson Premium Glossy Photo Paper, The Rating Is 12.8 Years
  • Ilford Galerie Smooth Fine Art Paper, The Rating Is 3.2 Years
  • HP Photo Paper Premium Plus Matte, Our Projected Rating Is 30 Years
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You are quite right, Leon.

In fact, those resin-based papers (even those with ceramic coating on the surface) in analogue photography's speak are not known to be very archival. They tend to yellow rather quickly compared with the image (silver halide) shown on the paper.

Problem with dye-based inks like the OEM HP inks is that such projected 'longevity' is only possible with resin-coated (and resin-based) papers. Thus, we may be talking about '30' years ink lightfastness (discounting gas-fading), but the papers like HP PPPP matte might start to get yellow after 15 years for all we know!
Leon Wittwer said:
The Epson enhanced matte paper is not archival. While the inks may
last a long time, it is doubtful that the paper will. I suspect
that it will yellow long before 120 years. Leon
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Member said:
But note that at the bottom of the page he says "THE EPSON BLACK
AND WHITE PRINT TESTING FADE RATE IS AN INDICATION OF THE
PRINTS OVERALL INK FADE OUT RATE."
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Yeah, I wonder what that means! ;) Perhaps if Bill Waterson is reading this, he can ask Stephen Livick about it and enlighten us.

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