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What would you like to see from Sigma next?
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I'm a bit on the angry side when it come to modification of the philosophy of a brand
The other brand who offer such quality and simplicity is Leïca. For me, SIGMA is the Japanese Leïca. If they go Sony way ... well this would be sad, at best.
Foveon sensor is more prone to motion blur than other sensor because of his pixel sharpness. We want foveon pictures, pictures sharp at pixel level. With Bayer, you do not care that much because the structure of the file is not the same. When a foveon picture is not sharp at the pixel level, we see it, badly.
The only way I can see the implementation of a curtain is going the Leïca way, range finder camera with heavy duty carbon kevlar curtain.
hexxthalion
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carlos roncatti
Senior Member
Little OT, but to me, Leica offers history, of course some might disagree and say its only marketing, but man, they also know how to do marketing about their history...
http://vimeo.com/65571903
Paul Petersen
Senior Member
I want to see an upgrade to the SD14/15 body with a Merrill sensor/ AF/ Meter and a new single processor that will support Live View, HD Video and 5fps. Please retain the top LCD I like to look at when setting camera up, not turn on back screen or peep in the finder. A second thumb dial for manual mode would be handy too. USB3, headphone, mic jack and the PC just in case. Spare the HDMI etc. that's what computers and tablets are for. SD cards are fine. In camera Raw conversion would be handy when wanting to share a shot in the field from the phone via eyefi would be cool.
Pete
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Before Sigma is investing a single Dollar in any kind of new camera, they should give us Lightroom support first.
It is a shame that they are so stupid not to solve this. Obviously according to many ressoures (i.e. LL), Sigma is not interested in working with Adobe together for this. Hello? Somebody at home? This is like kindergarden!
LR support would bring them more sales than any kind of new body. Why should I buy a new Sigma camera, if they make my life so complicated, just because of this stubberness? Time is money. SPP is wasting time.
There are tons of great cameras out there, which offer LR support. The photoindustry is collapsing because sales everywhere go south. If Sigma does not get this, I give my money in the future someone else who is obvioulsly smarter and helps me to make my life easier...
It is a shame that they are so stupid not to solve this. Obviously according to many ressoures (i.e. LL), Sigma is not interested in working with Adobe together for this. Hello? Somebody at home? This is like kindergarden!
LR support would bring them more sales than any kind of new body. Why should I buy a new Sigma camera, if they make my life so complicated, just because of this stubberness? Time is money. SPP is wasting time.
There are tons of great cameras out there, which offer LR support. The photoindustry is collapsing because sales everywhere go south. If Sigma does not get this, I give my money in the future someone else who is obvioulsly smarter and helps me to make my life easier...
Not seeing this happening. Most cameras have poor USB so I always remove SD card to put in the computer.
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Lightwriting with Sigma
What are you on about? It is adobe that makes LR etc.. and they haven't even managed to support X-trans properly. Ask yourself why do f.ex Irident manage to support Merrill files and LR cannot? Because Adobe do not see a business in adding the support.
Sigma cannot force Adobe to do anything.
Se above
What I find horrifying is that Adobe software is what is limiting development. If you stick to the old Bayer sensor then their software is ok, but if you stray, then you are out of luck.
Is it correct that there should be only one software company but multiple camera companies?
Think...
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner
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You are right that the dedicated chip is faster than a PC at processing images - but you could still have the dedicated chip but let the camera control the rest of the operations of the camera, let settings or review. That is more the area I was thinking of, all other aspects of operating a camera.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner
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Note I said the Sony devices work with Android also.
I think you would change you mind if you saw how much better modern smartphone screens are than the rear LCD of most cameras.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner
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They wouldn't, they would offer a product that would appeal to the 82%. That's what I am saying.
The MILC cameras are fighting over the wrong aspect of the camera market. They are striving to be small when it's pointless, because people are just adding on large lenses and carrying around extra lenses too. They will never be really small.
So better for an ILC to abandon the attempt to be small (where smartphones will eat you every time), and instead embrace size and capability. A mirror is optional and not needed to appeal to many in the DSLR market.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner
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It makes no sense for Sigma to release a successor to the SD-1 that is not an SA mount. It makes no sense to release a 1.5x crop factor camera with a 4/3 mount, and also prevents it from eventually going full frame.
The mount is the only thing I am sure of in whatever camera might come that would take different lenses.
Mark Turney
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This statement is wrong. Fuji was able to cooperate with Adobe and now you have a very good LR support from Adobe for the X-Trans files. But Fuji WANTED it and pushed for it.
There was LR support for SD14 and DPs.
Check the article of Luminous landscape for more information about Sigma behaviour since SD15
Let's keep the facts straight: LR/Photoshop has around 80% of the market share for photoediting. This is not by accident. This is because they offer products that are obviously significantly better then the competition. Not in every area, but as a package.
If Sigma would offer a better product than LR, I would be happy to use it. But we all know how bad SPP is in reality. I am not a blind fanboy. Ther is no third party software which supports Sigma files and which is better/easier/has same tools as LR. Especially not for Windows.
If Sigma would use its brain, they would realize that there is a huge market opportunity, if they would cooperate again with Adobe for LR support as it was the case before the SD15.
Let's face reality. Foveon are great sensors up to around ISO 400 with specific limitations. They are not all-around cameras like a Canon D60 or Nikon D7100. So if you have not as many selling points to sell your cameras, I would try everything to make it at least as comfortable as possible to work with Foveon files for people who think about bying a Sigma camera. Make a switch to Sigma cameras easy instead of complicated and frustrating.
What do you believe? Do you think that Sigma will turn all Adobe users into SPP fanboys just to be able to use a Foveon image up to ISO 400 and only at daylight? With a SD1M which is still overprised for what it is able to do? Dream on.
I love the Foveon images, but I am neither blind nor am I willing to accept that Sigma dictates what software I want to use. I use other cameras at the same time and know very well how narrow the Foveon IQ advantage is getting nowadays.
If Sigma continues this way, Sony or others will have within the next 2 years similar sensors with 3 layers and blow Sigma away. They will be cheaper, have better high ISO performace, better AF... you name it...
And they will have LR support. So who is bying then all the whish-list-Sigma cameras?
Wake up...
But still my only all-around cameras are Sigma SD and Sigma DP.
I can only say for me, but I love SPP. I never ever switched to any other means of RAW processing since I first got my SD10.
Not a fanboy, too. I tried just about every other available package and I always felt very uncomfortable with those.
SPP has the cleanest interface and the most simple and easy to use image manipulation tools. So a swith to Sigma is not complicated and not frustrating.
How do you know it? How can Sony magically overcome inherent 3-layer sensor weaknesses just by being Sony?
I don't care about LR support as I'm not going to use it.
What Sigma really needs to do, and what will really help everyone, is to make SPP code public domain.
that is fine with me. But nevertheless you represent less than 20% of the total photo editing market out there
Lightroom is a lot more than just a RAW processor. You are missing the point. If Sigma would cooperate seriously with Adobe, you should get the same or even better results in Sigma file RAW processing than in SPP, just because the basic x3f-know-how comes from Sigma then and there are more tools and know-how about photo editing in complex ways in LR available to fine tune images, catalogue them, doing mass-processing etc.
Because Sigma is THE SLOWEST company I have ever seen in photo industry when it comes to photoediting software and meeting deadlines with product announcements/ fixing bugs in SPP. It is easy to catch up if you have such a weak competitor like Sigma. Either they do not have the ressources to push Foveon technology, or the are not really committed to their own cameras.
Actually I do not care what the reason is. As soon as somebody else is offering me the Foveon look with less disadvantges than the Sigma cameras, I will sell all my Sigma equipemet within a minute on ebay. And you can be sure that most of the Sigma users will do the same.
That is fie for you. But Sigma should not care what a handful customers (look at their market share) are thunking. They should focus on how to be attractive for NEW customers. The 80% of the photo editing maket share with all thier Canon, Nikon, etc. cameras are by far more interesting than the few Sigma owners.
If Sigma is able to seduce new customers to try out Sigma cameras just because they can use the same workflow as they are used too, it will be a lot easier for them to sell thousand of additional Sigma cameras
Why should they do this, if they even do not want to cooperate with Adobe?
dmaclau
Senior Member
I shot the iPhone almost exclusively for about 2 years. It made me a better photographer.
(it can also do just about everything...I have pix to prove it)
regards
(it can also do just about everything...I have pix to prove it)
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dmaclau
Senior Member
On the DPxM enable the back focus when in Manual focus. I do appreciate the improvement over the original DP1. On that camera switching to M focus resets the distance ... I'm pretty sure that's because of the focus wheel though.
And that is the problem
SPP is just a RAW processor, which is fine.It's been already several years since other companies (Fuji and Sony and...?) have patented or prototyped Foveon-like sensor. But, as we say in Russian, "the cart is still there", there was absolutely no progress. What stops them? If they didn't cath up during those years, they also won't in a next five.
Probably we don't see much improvement with Foveon just because there are serious limits to what can be improved.
You see, Foveon-like sensor is interesting to many companies, but all of them haven't moved their carts even a bit. That is a sign that something goes wrong or they are just not interested. This technology is not easy to be pushed, so they currently fall back to their good old Bayers. Whereas Sigma is the most Foveon-committed company just because it has no other competitive distinction.
I will too.
Why they should do this, no one knows
Well, I'd like to see SPP continued as a standalone software, changed in a good way. New features would be added, bugs would be fixed faster, etc. Having something supported and developed by a community is a big attractive factor.
They should also open the firmware. It probably cannot be done directly, but they could "leak" some hints on how to do it
Loads of gadgets are bought and become famous just because you can tinker with them.Currently, there is Magic Lantern community for Canon cameras, MoServices for Asus players, Ptool for Panasonic cameras etc. And the people are happy playing with their toys, making them do something new.
If Sigma firmware could be hacked, there would be many new possibilities. Live view, focus peaking, tethering, interval shooting, etc. It's all a matter of firmware and Sigma cameras could become much more attractive to at least another 20% of people.
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