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Nikon D7100 or Canon 1D3 (I know...)
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My understanding of clarity (hard to measure) is combination of noise, detail, sharpness, cleanness, tonality. 1D3 files still look pretty good till ISO 3200. D7100 high ISO maybe as clean but will look a bit mushy. That's why I asked someone post similar snapshot at ISO 1250.
Not only high ISO he cares AF as well as he has a concern on 6D AF that actually is pretty good in AF lock-on speed. 6D maybe a bit slow in burst rate and only has one center cross point but is very accurate in AF lock-on and should not have any issues to take individual shots.
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Interesting hypothesis/description.
Something sometime hard to describe but can feel such creamy color tonality. You'd see and feel with your own eyes when you processed in computer. haha. All I can tell you is that 1DIII files are beautiful with some unique look, and I am not the only one said so.
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Yes, hard to describe such a very subjective aspect such as your take here on "clarity"
I can see you are passionate about it. You have 1DIII colored glasses on it seems. Blinders of a sort. Makes sense.
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No need to fight, boys. 
I had a 50D which had only 9 focus points and tracking with a center focus point was hard for me. so any of the D7100, 70D or 1D3 models will be better in this area. The main reason I ditched the 50D, though,was noise performance. I know that the 1D3, D7100 and 70D all beat it in this regard, so I don't necessarily have to go FF (and I won't; too expensive), but I decided to go Canon since I prefer their camera's colors. The 70D looks like a nice option if I ever see one for $800-850...
I had a 50D which had only 9 focus points and tracking with a center focus point was hard for me. so any of the D7100, 70D or 1D3 models will be better in this area. The main reason I ditched the 50D, though,was noise performance. I know that the 1D3, D7100 and 70D all beat it in this regard, so I don't necessarily have to go FF (and I won't; too expensive), but I decided to go Canon since I prefer their camera's colors. The 70D looks like a nice option if I ever see one for $800-850...
70D is relative new so not many copies showing up in eBay for example. 70D is $1048 in USA from authorized dealers such as Adoroma and B&H at this moment.No need to fight, boys.
I had a 50D which had only 9 focus points and tracking with a center focus point was hard for me. so any of the D7100, 70D or 1D3 models will be better in this area. The main reason I ditched the 50D, though,was noise performance. I know that the 1D3, D7100 and 70D all beat it in this regard, so I don't necessarily have to go FF (and I won't; too expensive), but I decided to go Canon since I prefer their camera's colors. The 70D looks like a nice option if I ever see one for $800-850...
The high ISO improvement from 50D to 70D and D7100 is only moderate but significant from 50D to 6D. I have seen many 6D's BIF and dog in running photos that its AF is good enough for such tasks although it's limited in burst rate and center-only AF point.
This is a new low price from authorized dealers on 6D and you get printer free. BVI (BestValue Inc), a non-authorized dealer had $1400 6D just one week's ago.
http://www.canonpricewatch.com/blog/2013/12/eos-6d-new-for-1415-body-only-or-1426-printer-bundle/
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But I have many photos from 1D III and I can see the clarity and creamy color rendition as someone else (as shown in my 1D III airshow DPR thread that someone can tell it has unique color tonality). I never regret a bit that I paid a few hundred more to get a lite used 1D3 over a brand new 7D back in Nov '09 after spending mouths to study reviews and many photos and overs' opinions.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3238329
Let's photos to speak themselves that can backup what I said. I have photos that demo 1DIII color creamy tonality , tons of them so you cannot have such blind comment. Many times I prefer my 1DIII photos look over 5D2 and 5D despite it's a 1.3x crop and only 10mp. 5D3 is close to 1D3 and 1Ds3 creamy look that is different from resolution. IQ has many factor and DR and resolution are only two of them but not only factors in entire IQ spectrum, color tonality is another equally important but subjective and hard to be measured.
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I have no doubt you see them that way. By definition that is what subjective is all about. It's good you've found a "look" you like.
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Once profiled the colors will be the same on both systems. The 70D looks to be your best bet. If you get one, post some photos. Enjoy!No need to fight, boys.
I had a 50D which had only 9 focus points and tracking with a center focus point was hard for me. so any of the D7100, 70D or 1D3 models will be better in this area. The main reason I ditched the 50D, though,was noise performance. I know that the 1D3, D7100 and 70D all beat it in this regard, so I don't necessarily have to go FF (and I won't; too expensive), but I decided to go Canon since I prefer their camera's colors. The 70D looks like a nice option if I ever see one for $800-850...
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It doesn't work very well in profiles as it doesn't have a uniform color offset in different scenarios. One profile under one light condition indoor or outdoor probably will not apply well under another scene under different light condition. Skin tone for example is pretty complicate that not easily can be adjusted just by moving one bar such as temperature. With Canon raw files usually you only need to adjust WB and no need to touch other color bars. With Nikon raw files you might have to make several changes and that profile may not apply to other light conditions at different scenes.
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Nonsense. Do you own modern Nikon gear? I've photographed hundreds of weddings with Nikon equipment....what you are saying here is wrong. If you were right, the same color shifts would occur onCanon gear...which should be profiled as well. Best not to advise people on profiling between systems wben you lack the experience
You don't own any modern Canon cameras either. Many Nikon owners said they have to spend time to adjust colors. Some of them are dual-system owners including some real professionals. They said they found Canon RAW files need little to be adjusted in colors while have to spend time in Nikon RAW. I am not suggesting Nikon colors are not accurate (actually some said Nikon colors are more authentic in color spectrum, true or not) but many prefer Canon colors and skin tone that are more pleasing, such as Canon has magenta shift while Nikon has green cast in landscape and orange cast in skin tone.
Can you give some samples with EXIF (make sure they actually from Nikon cameras)?
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I'm a nikon user...and I say you don't. As I've done hundreds of weddings with both modern Nikon and Canon gear, I say you don't need to adjust one more than the other. As I have owned both, I say you're wrong. And as I recall, Bob posted a photo you jumped all over as having green cast you claim....only for you to find it was actually a Canon photograph.
One profiles a camera in order to obtain accurate color. If we see a magenta or green shift, that is corrected out. I wouldn't want a landscape camera to have a magenta shift.
As I said, I have owned modern gear from each...including Fuji and Pentax. That gives me an advantage when it comes to a discussion on profiling.
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What Nikon cameras you actually own now? Note: 'I'm not I was'.
What modern Canon camera you are using now?
Haha, always "I said you're wrong". What your said is really irrelevant as you are no authority and don't even try.
To many magenta shift is more pleasing than green cast in landscape and orange cast in skin tone. We have not read much complaints in Canon colors and skin tone but many from Nikon shooters, that itself means something.
What advantage? Cameras from different companies are different. They never the same. All I said is that more prefer Canon colors and skin tone over Nikon counterparts that are facts, that are what we have read, get over it.
Oh, still waiting your samples to explain your profiling. You can talk and talk but need substances to support your claims. I am waiting to see how one profile works with all scenarios, indoor, outdoor, ambient light, artificial light, landscape, portrait...
In comparison, I never need profiling on my Canon CR2 files in all Canon cameras I own but only need to adjust temperature bar (WB) but never need to touch all other color bars in LR.
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