Handled a Df today...

The appeal of old school shooting on the Df has come about because users are sick and tired of deep menu navigation. With more functionality being added to every new camera it seems like the menu problem is becoming worse each year. The Df attempts to return some control back to the user by giving direct access to basic adjustments.
There is nothing on the Df that will reduce the amount of menu-diving, appart from, if Dpreview's preview is to be believed, being able to change the minimum ISO in auto ISO via the ISO dial. Otherwise, it's just exactly the same as a normal Nikon DSLR. Want to change the max ISO limit, for example ? Get your diving gear out. They even haven't bothered to innovate one bit by, for example, making the shutter speed dial a "minimum shutter speed in auto ISO" dial in aperture priority mode. Therefore it sits unused in a mode that probably most of us use most of the time. Brilliant.
I can't find a shortcut to quickly change the minimum shutter speed in AutoISO.

MyMenu doesn't even allow it to be saved as shortcut. So everytime I have to go menu dicing even with the Df, sigh...
You can set auto ISO as an item under MyMenu. If you place it as the top item you can assign any of the configurable buttons to give direct access to the top item under MyMenu.
Yes, as I've said above, auto ISO can be set as an item under MyMenu, but "Minimum Shutter speed" and "maximum sensitivity" can't be set. There is no good reason for this odd behavior/programming/design.
The Df user manual covers this subject on pages 73-74. You might want to review this section of the manual for guidance. My Df won't be delivered until the end of next week, and rain is in the forecast already. That's terrific news alright. I guess that I will have to use AutoISO indoors on day one of Df ownership. One more reason to visit the shopping mall during the holidays.
 
Weeks after the Df was announced it is becoming clear that its high price is due to the potential of Df sales impacting D4 sales. For what it does the Df is overpriced, but Nikon set the price level where it feels comfortable that Df sales will not affect D4 sales significantly. As more users get past the thrill of the dial mechanics used Df cameras will become available, probably more than expected. They should hold their value because demand will be high. If the crowd likes a new Df at $2,750 they will love a mint condition one at $2,400.

The appeal of old school shooting on the Df has come about because users are sick and tired of deep menu navigation. With more functionality being added to every new camera it seems like the menu problem is becoming worse each year. The Df attempts to return some control back to the user by giving direct access to basic adjustments.
It's nothing to do with protecting the D4 sales.

Apart from sharing the same sensor the Df and D4 are chalk and cheese.

It's like saying someone who was in the market for a luxury car such as the Mercedes S500 would buy an SLK AMG because it has the same engine, despite one being a 2 door convertible and one being a luxury limousine.
 
Weeks after the Df was announced it is becoming clear that its high price is due to the potential of Df sales impacting D4 sales. For what it does the Df is overpriced, but Nikon set the price level where it feels comfortable that Df sales will not affect D4 sales significantly. As more users get past the thrill of the dial mechanics used Df cameras will become available, probably more than expected. They should hold their value because demand will be high. If the crowd likes a new Df at $2,750 they will love a mint condition one at $2,400.

The appeal of old school shooting on the Df has come about because users are sick and tired of deep menu navigation. With more functionality being added to every new camera it seems like the menu problem is becoming worse each year. The Df attempts to return some control back to the user by giving direct access to basic adjustments.
The DF over-priced? Absurd! Nikon packed the D4 sensor into a body at 1/2 the price of the D4. The only improvement that I would have hoped for is a higher-end AF module.
 
Weeks after the Df was announced it is becoming clear that its high price is due to the potential of Df sales impacting D4 sales. For what it does the Df is overpriced, but Nikon set the price level where it feels comfortable that Df sales will not affect D4 sales significantly. As more users get past the thrill of the dial mechanics used Df cameras will become available, probably more than expected. They should hold their value because demand will be high. If the crowd likes a new Df at $2,750 they will love a mint condition one at $2,400.

The appeal of old school shooting on the Df has come about because users are sick and tired of deep menu navigation. With more functionality being added to every new camera it seems like the menu problem is becoming worse each year. The Df attempts to return some control back to the user by giving direct access to basic adjustments.
The DF over-priced? Absurd! Nikon packed the D4 sensor into a body at 1/2 the price of the D4. The only improvement that I would have hoped for is a higher-end AF module.
Actually, the sensor seems to be improved over the one in the D4 in the lower ISOs. Here is an example of an image shot at ISO 100 and pushed +5EV in Lightroom (EXIF was changed to make it look like a D4 file but it's from a Df):



Df ISO 100 image pushed +5 EV in LR
Df ISO 100 image pushed +5 EV in LR
 
I prefer the four banks rather than U modes...
 
The DF over-priced? Absurd! Nikon packed the D4 sensor into a body at 1/2 the price of the D4. The only improvement that I would have hoped for is a higher-end AF module.
Nonsense, you are saying Nikon's cost for the sensor is $4000? I'd guess closer to $50. But that's just my guess. But not $4000, and not enough to justify the price difference.
 
How on earth could a DF compare with a D4 - a fully featured, top-level pro camera? And there's no way the DF threatens D4 sales. No, this is an attempt by Nikon to cash in on the 'retro' trend and create a new sales category of its own probably with new lenses down the line designed for it. It's a (failed) attempt to create a camera which is "back to basics" and possibly a belated response to a questionnaire it sent out several years ago. In my view the DF is so compromised it just doesn't work, and especially at a D800 price.
 
Like Frank C., I asked to hold a D800 after handling the Df, and yes, the D800 has a notably better feel in my hands, too. I had wanted Nikon to make a D800 body with a D4 sensor inside, and that would still be my preference. I have mixed feelings about the Df, which will not likely be on my near-term wish list. While I like my retro-looking FM3A film cameras well enough, I also really like the Nikon pro-level SLRs with Giugiaro-designed bodies and modern ergonomics.

And so say most of us!!!
 
Actually the DF is substantially more expensive than the D800(e) when you add in the extra features and quality build of the D800 to considerations
 
The appeal of old school shooting on the Df has come about because users are sick and tired of deep menu navigation. With more functionality being added to every new camera it seems like the menu problem is becoming worse each year. The Df attempts to return some control back to the user by giving direct access tog basic adjustments.
There is nothing on the Df that will reduce the amount of menu-diving, appart from, if Dpreview's preview is to be believed, being able to change the minimum ISO in auto ISO via the ISO dial. Otherwise, it's just exactly the same as a normal Nikon DSLR. Want to change the max ISO limit, for example ? Get your diving gear out. They even haven't bothered to innovate one bit by, for example, making the shutter speed dial a "minimum shutter speed in auto ISO" dial in aperture priority mode. Therefore it sits unused in a mode that probably most of us use most of the time. Brilliant.
I can't find a shortcut to quickly change the minimum shutter speed in AutoISO.

MyMenu doesn't even allow it to be saved as shortcut. So everytime I have to go menu dicing even with the Df, sigh...
You can set auto ISO as an item under MyMenu. If you place it as the top item you can assign any of the configurable buttons to give direct access to the top item under MyMenu.
Yes, as I've said above, auto ISO can be set as an item under MyMenu, but "Minimum Shutter speed" and "maximum sensitivity" can't be set. There is no good reason for this odd behavior/programming/design.
The Df user manual covers this subject on pages 73-74. You might want to review this section of the manual for guidance. My Df won't be delivered until the end of next week, and rain is in the forecast already. That's terrific news alright. I guess that I will have to use AutoISO indoors on day one of Df ownership. One more reason to visit the shopping mall during the holidays.
Be careful, I was doing the same thing at a mall in Scottsdale and got busted by a mall cop for taking photos of store fronts that had been decorated for the holidays. I was using my x100 so I dialed in f11, auto SS and auto ISO and held it at waist level and continued doing what I was doing :-)
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Be careful, I was doing the same thing at a mall in Scottsdale and got busted by a mall cop for taking photos of store fronts that had been decorated for the holidays. I was using my x100 so I dialed in f11, auto SS and auto ISO and held it at waist level and continued doing what I was doing :-)
Potential mall security confrontation has been on my mind non-stop. When taking photos at a mall I sometimes carry a bridge camera to be less conspicuous. I often use the rear LCD instead of the viewfinder. In the early years following the 9/11 terrorist attack I had confrontations with security guards and other gatekeepers. Since then I have had other occasional incidents, but things usually work in my favor because I am well acquainted with the law and photography. Legal Handbook for Photographers is a good resource that is worth re-reading every once in a while.
 
Be careful, I was doing the same thing at a mall in Scottsdale and got busted by a mall cop for taking photos of store fronts that had been decorated for the holidays. I was using my x100 so I dialed in f11, auto SS and auto ISO and held it at waist level and continued doing what I was doing :-)
Potential mall security confrontation has been on my mind non-stop. When taking photos at a mall I sometimes carry a bridge camera to be less conspicuous. I often use the rear LCD instead of the viewfinder. In the early years following the 9/11 terrorist attack I had confrontations with security guards and other gatekeepers. Since then I have had other occasional incidents, but things usually work in my favor because I am well acquainted with the law and photography. Legal Handbook for Photographers is a good resource that is worth re-reading every once in a while.
How's mall photography legal? It's private property afterall. But then are they gonna remove all the teenagers with 20MP phones out of the mall? lol...
 
Be careful, I was doing the same thing at a mall in Scottsdale and got busted by a mall cop for taking photos of store fronts that had been decorated for the holidays. I was using my x100 so I dialed in f11, auto SS and auto ISO and held it at waist level and continued doing what I was doing :-)
Potential mall security confrontation has been on my mind non-stop. When taking photos at a mall I sometimes carry a bridge camera to be less conspicuous. I often use the rear LCD instead of the viewfinder. In the early years following the 9/11 terrorist attack I had confrontations with security guards and other gatekeepers. Since then I have had other occasional incidents, but things usually work in my favor because I am well acquainted with the law and photography. Legal Handbook for Photographers is a good resource that is worth re-reading every once in a while.
How's mall photography legal? It's private property afterall. But then are they gonna remove all the teenagers with 20MP phones out of the mall? lol...
It isn't necessarily legal or illegal. The book explains what action to take in various situations along with your rights as a photographer.
 
The DF over-priced? Absurd! Nikon packed the D4 sensor into a body at 1/2 the price of the D4. The only improvement that I would have hoped for is a higher-end AF module.
Nonsense, you are saying Nikon's cost for the sensor is $4000? I'd guess closer to $50. But that's just my guess. But not $4000, and not enough to justify the price difference.
So you have insights into Nikon's cost structure? Ever looked into the price of setting up a chip fabrication plant (that's why Nikon outsource manufacturing)? Add in the cost of R&D and design, too on a design that won't generate large volumes. The fact remains that the Df delivers a lot, but there were trade-offs to hit a lower price point. The AF module isn't as good as the D4, nor can you blast away at as high a frame rate. It isn't all the sensor.

An additional consideration is that companies charge based on perceived value, not cost plus. Add up the cost of the parts in an iPhone. It's low compared to retail cost. And you always have the option not to buy.
 
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I prefer the four banks rather than U modes...
Could you detail why ?
OK,

On my D800 I basically have four basic custom modes:

A: Portrait (fairly general)

B: Landscape

C: Sports

D: Studio

For each scenario, I have the settings I like to use. E.g. when shooting in a wedding, all the basic settings I like are contained in the A: Portrait custom bank (e.g. auto ISO settings, fn buttons, focus modes...). However, during a wedding, I still switch between aperture priority, shutter priority and manual modes. As far as I can tell, the U modes don’t allow this flexibility.

If there were a dial that switched between custom/shooting modes (A, B, C, D) that would work best for me.
 
I prefer the four banks rather than U modes...
Could you detail why ?
OK,

On my D800 I basically have four basic custom modes:

A: Portrait (fairly general)

B: Landscape

C: Sports

D: Studio

For each scenario, I have the settings I like to use. E.g. when shooting in a wedding, all the basic settings I like are contained in the A: Portrait custom bank (e.g. auto ISO settings, fn buttons, focus modes...). However, during a wedding, I still switch between aperture priority, shutter priority and manual modes. As far as I can tell, the U modes don’t allow this flexibility.
That's indeed one of the main issues with Nikon and Canon custom modes. But not so on Pentax cameras - as usual Pentax shows that hey aren't as daft as the others when it comes to thinking about shooting modes (although they still lack a quick access to mode changes, you have to go in the menus I believe).
If there were a dial that switched between custom/shooting modes (A, B, C, D) that would work best for me.
Or simply that Nikon would allow you to quickly change modes in U modes ?
 

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