My RX10

as you hold the camera, on the front lower left is a selector switch S C DMF MF..

Quality can be set into Fn area (Raw,R+J etc)..

The manual is minimal

nearly missed that one
 
ooc jpeg std.. pretty punchy huh?

I had to put LR5.3 RC on to process the raws.. this is the camera jpg.. The distribution across the histogram seems wider, and definitly exposed to the right over my NEX's.. I end up pulling down the exposure more often than not it seems

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Mike
 
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I was dissapointed in the OP's opinion of this camera in relation to its feel in the hand. I had an R1 and loved the design, the heft and the quality feel.
So did I. A great camera when it came and one of my jewel (a category I use, where I put the RX1 and years ago my white E-P1) cameras.
I always thought with its swivel screen and wonderful lens that it was a design icon. Mine eventually succumbed to fungus growth in the lens. I also wanted a longer reach. So imagine my delight when the RX10 with its constant 2.8 came onto the scene.

This morning I went to my local camera shop and held one new from the box. Like Enrique I was disappointed with the feel of the camera in my hand. The body plastic seemed thin in comparison to my old R1, even flimsy by comparison. The pull out screen was weedy and the hinges did not feel up to the job. In short it was not what a £1049 camera should feel like.

And then I had a reality check.

I wanted a camera with this specification for trekking. It fitted into my bum-bag, which I had with me, and that meant it would always be to hand when needed and not in my back pack. It was light enough to carry. The viewfinder was spectacular. The focus was fast enough for my needs. The switches all clicked in a tight well put together fashion. The milled lens focus ring turned smoothly if somewhat slowly. In short, while I wasn't over enamoured by the form I was impressed by the function. And I reasoned that if they built a shell to match the R1 with the lens in the RX10 I would need a trolley to carry it.

I do sympathise with Enrique and can fully understand his view on taking this camera out of the box and handling it for the first time. My immediate knee-jerk reaction was to dismiss the camera out of hand
That's roughly what I did, and maybe too quickly. I had the camera for a couple of hours only, and maybe I should have tried it more. But somehow I didn't care for it, which is totally subjective.
but since having had time to reflect I will go back to the shop with a SD card and take some photos, after all, this is what it's all about.

If the photos and reviews are good then I will learn to live with it's outer shell as it does in all other aspects fulfil my requirements. If I do take the plunge I hope I don't drop it on the Camino del Norte next year, as I feel it will not have the resilience of the R1 that my clumsy hands let slip on more than one occasion.

So it was not love at first sight, but then again, true love rarely is.
But you have alternatives. One is the NEX 6 with the 16-50 and the 55-210, roughly the same price, but better IQ, while size goes from much smaller and lighter with the kit only to slightly bigger and a still a bit lighter with the long zoom. That's the camera I compared the RX10 with, the NEX 6 with the very worst lens I have for it, the 16-50, and the NEX 6 did better in terms of IQ, not much better, but better. If you want me to I can post a couple of photos.
Enrique
meh.. The RX10 is crisper.. I had considered this versus nex6 + 55210 or the 18200.

I originally thought maybe a stop or two difference.. I was concerned about the smaller sensor.. Now that I've had it for over a day , the only knock on the RX10 is that it's bigger.. I'm starting to wonder if the IQ is overall better due to a variety of factors.. I'm comparing my own images with both cameras in the same lighting and coming to this conclusion - not speculating..

Hands down it beats the NEX video.. The RX10 exposes to the right more.. going to keep playing here. It's really something else, if not totally unique..
 
I'm comparing my own images with both cameras in the same lighting and coming to this conclusion - not speculating..

Hands down it beats the NEX video.. The RX10 exposes to the right more.. going to keep playing here. It's really something else, if not totally unique..
 
I'm comparing my own images with both cameras in the same lighting and coming to this conclusion - not speculating..

Hands down it beats the NEX video.. The RX10 exposes to the right more.. going to keep playing here. It's really something else, if not totally unique..

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Mike
Which cameras Mike? The NEX 6 and the RX10? If so could you post a sample comparison maybe?


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both OOC jpg. taken tonight.. both cameras on P, raw+JPEG.. should be similar setup.. area meter, center F af. I havent prejudged these.. just outside of church tonight on the way back from bible study.. You guys probably have a better eye than i do anyway..

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Mike
 
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I don't know Mike. Something is not right about the flower and the church shots. I think here must be some setting that is causing this "Punch-Out". There is no color whatsoever in that church shot from the RX10. Almost like a posterization shot. Maybe a way off white balance ? Look at that one little area of building in the background. It's reflecting white, not yellow-orange like the rest of the shot.

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I don't know Mike. Something is not right about the flower and the church shots. I think here must be some setting that is causing this "Punch-Out". There is no color whatsoever in that church shot from the RX10. Almost like a posterization shot. Maybe a way off white balance ? Look at that one little area of building in the background. It's reflecting white, not yellow-orange like the rest of the shot.

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top shot is the nex. bottom is the rx10.. the back building is the church, the foreground building is the community center. compare the details in the steeple of the church..

I've subsequently checked the exif's.. usually have the nex 'std' set to -1 contrast and saturation, bbut I had this body set to 0 - eg normal 'std' both are set to adoberRGB which might be something to change back.. really not worried about white balance for this. and - we cant get too fussy about HH shots at 1/10 and 1/13 second - but worth considering for these.. there was a slight angle difference.. a proper comparison shot would have been side by side, tripod mounted.

'the one little area - not sure where you mean.. maybe give me a crop..



Here are two jpegs developed from the raws of the same shot.. 6666 comes from the nex, and 397 from the rx10.. again - not going to worry about white balance under a sodium light.. both had NR and sharpening off in LR. Both had the exposure pulled down so that there was no saturation.. shadows are puuled up and black level is also pulled up



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397 rx10 from raw



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6666 nex from raw

look in the vents in the steeple in back. Tell me what you think

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rx10 - by itself, a little nr, a little color fix, a little sharp..

That's enough for the night.. peep away at these, please :)





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Hi Mike

Thanks for those. The RX10 certainly gives a very similar result to the NEX-F3 with a much larger sensor.

I'm more interested in day-time shots, as I don't see myself often carrying the RX10 at night since I have the RX100 which goes to the jeans pocket and is even brighter at wide angle.

But I agree that the RX10 shots you posted are maybe unnaturally "punchy", WB probably.
 
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These are 100% crops of the photos I told you before
So, are you basing your dissatisfaction of the RX10 image quality based upon viewing everything at
No. I explained a couple of times in this thread the reasons of my relative dissatisaction. I posted the 100% crops because some might find them useful.

Enrique
 
If just the mention of the "T" word on these forums is a cause of anguish, then i apologize Enri if you felt it to be an implied insult.
A lesson learnt for you then? ;-) As for me, I do not use the "T" word in real life or in forums, well aware of the implied insult it carries with it.
 
Enir4 wrote:

I don't think we can expect miracles. The RX10 has a small sensor and an 8x zoom. Considering this, it does well.
Well, but in all of your commentary here, you have been solely looking at the RX10 from a photography viewpoint. Not once have you referred to its video capabilities.

For a video camera, it has a very LARGE sensor. Larger than many professional camcorders.

The RX 10 really is a true hybrid camera. It is not optimized primarily for still photography. It offers a lot of features for shooting video, much like Panasonic's GH3. I don't think that it is a camera that will appeal a lot to someone that does not also want to use it for videography.


Hybrid cameras are going to be growing market segment in the future, in my opinion. But they are not for everyone. In the m4/3 market, Olympus seems to have dominated with still photographers looking for the best image quality, while Panasonic has been offering much superior video features, and thus appealing more to dual use customers.
 
Enir4 wrote:
I don't think we can expect miracles. The RX10 has a small sensor and an 8x zoom. Considering this, it does well.
Well, but in all of your commentary here, you have been solely looking at the RX10 from a photography viewpoint. Not once have you referred to its video capabilities.
True, I never take videos. I only want photography from a camera, but that's just me.


Enrique
For a video camera, it has a very LARGE sensor. Larger than many professional camcorders.

The RX 10 really is a true hybrid camera. It is not optimized primarily for still photography. It offers a lot of features for shooting video, much like Panasonic's GH3. I don't think that it is a camera that will appeal a lot to someone that does not also want to use it for videography.

Hybrid cameras are going to be growing market segment in the future, in my opinion. But they are not for everyone. In the m4/3 market, Olympus seems to have dominated with still photographers looking for the best image quality, while Panasonic has been offering much superior video features, and thus appealing more to dual use customers.
 

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