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Can you name a single newspaper that you consider accurate? Denigrating the NY Times without providing any justification is pointless.Of course a paper is a multi-headed snake. I am sure there are many good parts, children's weekend section ? car reviews ? whatever. Its the news with a slant and lies which is the problemThe NY Times would only be considered accurate by those who read nothing else or agree with its various biases.
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harold.co.il
its very sad to accept everything one readsThis debate on the validity or lack thereof of the NY Times is without doubt the stupidest thing I have ever seen on this board, and I have seen a LOT of VERY stupid things on this board.
it is legitimate to criticise journalists
you are doing the right thingCan you name a single newspaper that you consider accurate? Denigrating the NY Times without providing any justification is pointless.Of course a paper is a multi-headed snake. I am sure there are many good parts, children's weekend section ? car reviews ? whatever. Its the news with a slant and lies which is the problemThe NY Times would only be considered accurate by those who read nothing else or agree with its various biases.
best rgds
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harold.co.il
I subscribe to both the NY Times and Wall Street Journal because I find it worthwhile to read articles, editorials and opinions in two prominent publications that have very different perspectives. Too many people only read outlets than conform to their views, which reinforces their self-serving biases.
Excuse me, I think you smeared me first
but ok you are allowed to do it
blind ?
radical ?
a lot of assumptions with no base whatsoever
you imply that criticising something is stupid ? especially on a forum
come on, what a load of bull
Excuse me, I think you smeared me first
but ok you are allowed to do it
blind ?
radical ?
a lot of assumptions with no base whatsoever
you imply that criticising something is stupid ? especially on a forum
come on, what a load of bull
Of course a paper is a multi-headed snake. I am sure there are many good parts, children's weekend section ? car reviews ? whatever. Its the news with a slant and lies which is the problemThe NY Times would only be considered accurate by those who read nothing else or agree with its various biases.
best rgds
thanksThe New York Times has an excellent articleon the success of the Fuji X-series cameras. Since I don't do the 'fanboy' thing, I will point out that the article could apply to Olympus and Panasonic and even Samsung as well.
its probably the paper I am least likely to read as I think its cr@p, but no prob reading article on tech by link as long as I am not paying them anything
nice quote from the article:
“When we were little, when we went into our father’s room or our grandfather’s room, there was an important-looking camera on the shelf, and we were told not to touch it because it was valuable,” Mr. Imai said. “We wanted to create that kind of look and feel.”
You are taking trolling to the level of performance art! Fantastic job.the NY times is simply one of the worst and it does it knowingly due to owner and editorial influence. of course many papers do, but the stances taken by the NY Times I believe are fundamentally aimed at democratic values. However of course that depends whether the person reading cares less about this ...
It's a lot of sales of the X100/S and the X-E1. Not so great for the Pro1. The rest either aren't included or its too early to say.Olympus, Sony, and Panasonic are losing money on cameras, but I have never seen a break-down of M43 or NEX sales.
Fuji spokesperson is quoted in the article as saying " high-end models as the X series proceeded smoothly" with more than 700,000 X-series cameras sold since [the X100] in 2011.
The New York Times has an excellent article on the success of the Fuji X-series cameras. Since I don't do the 'fanboy' thing, I will point out that the article could apply to Olympus and Panasonic and even Samsung as well.
I am concerned for Sony too. While Fujifilm is enjoying reasonably healthy profits, for Sony its a very different story ....A company only deserves to survive on its merits. I don't see big or small, only product and market.Very interesting article.
I guess a contributing factor in Fujifilm being in the black while many other manufacturers are struggling with losses, some very worrying like with Sony.
The future still looks murky to me, the rise of the do-it-all mobile phone devices I feel will one day result in there being only a limited number of genuine stand-alone camera manufacturers remaining.
Sony had to buy its photographic division (purchasing Konica Minolta SLR Division because it had no hope of developing and establishing its own) and with their record losses they maybe could just end Sony cameras in one hit.
Fujfilm on the other hand enjoys a 100% genuine photographic heritage and have forged a niche for themselves in the increasingly competitive digital camera industry.
It is the relatively small players I am worried about, like Nikon, Leica and Hasselblad that deserve to survive more than most IMO. I don't care about Sony, it can go back to doing what it does well, making radios, computer game consoles and T.V's. But Nikon, Leica and Hasselblad, like Fujifilm, are the real deal in the world of photographics. There's nothing fake in anything they do - none of them had to "buy" their expertise in photographics, each have earned their right to always be a part of the industry in my opinion.
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As Sony makes so many great products I am deeply concerned with its well being, and I think more then any other company at the moment deserves to be a dominant camera player.
Fujifilm make the range of extremely high end lenses for the Hasselblad cameras. They are badged as "Hasselblad" but 100% Fujifilm made. Sadly I can only see Hasselblad's market share continue to be put under pressure.Hasselblad makes good products in a declining market and under attack from as good competitors, such as phase one and Leica. I find it difficult to defend the Luna and Stella
I honestly believe Leica will be a survivor because it knows what it does well and sticks to it without allowing itself to be influenced by "trends" that come and go. Risky but its worked for them so far.Leica is doing very well at the moment, but its main profit cash cow, the M series, is under attack from very competent APs-C players, e.g. Fuji, and with the Sony A7, better FF players. Therefore it will have to keep growing its luxury market to survive. Leica appeal is part workflow (rangefinder), part results and part jewellery. Its difficult for competitors to attack 1 and 3 and , although uncomfortable for enthusiasts, probably the areas Leica needs to work on to survive. If it can come up with innovative products (like the X2 was, or the M9 was) then all the better but this will be increasingly difficult as other companies go for the lightweight FF market.
I used to be a Nikon fan, and they make some great cameras, but how they have dealt with some recent faults and customer issues mean I will unlikely buy a product form them again. Frankly I was further put off by the DF, an uglier version of the D610 with functionality stripped out for twice the price. I think Nikon needs an urgent rethink as well.
Fuji has also been making the huge lenses for TV studio and remote cameras for 20 years. Most broadcast sports remote truck cameras use Fujinon lenses that run close to $20k each. Their only real competitor in this space is Canon which I rarely see being used in the past few years.I am concerned for Sony too. While Fujifilm is enjoying reasonably healthy profits, for Sony its a very different story ....A company only deserves to survive on its merits. I don't see big or small, only product and market.Very interesting article.
I guess a contributing factor in Fujifilm being in the black while many other manufacturers are struggling with losses, some very worrying like with Sony.
The future still looks murky to me, the rise of the do-it-all mobile phone devices I feel will one day result in there being only a limited number of genuine stand-alone camera manufacturers remaining.
Sony had to buy its photographic division (purchasing Konica Minolta SLR Division because it had no hope of developing and establishing its own) and with their record losses they maybe could just end Sony cameras in one hit.
Fujfilm on the other hand enjoys a 100% genuine photographic heritage and have forged a niche for themselves in the increasingly competitive digital camera industry.
It is the relatively small players I am worried about, like Nikon, Leica and Hasselblad that deserve to survive more than most IMO. I don't care about Sony, it can go back to doing what it does well, making radios, computer game consoles and T.V's. But Nikon, Leica and Hasselblad, like Fujifilm, are the real deal in the world of photographics. There's nothing fake in anything they do - none of them had to "buy" their expertise in photographics, each have earned their right to always be a part of the industry in my opinion.
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As Sony makes so many great products I am deeply concerned with its well being, and I think more then any other company at the moment deserves to be a dominant camera player.
Fujifilm make the range of extremely high end lenses for the Hasselblad cameras. They are badged as "Hasselblad" but 100% Fujifilm made. Sadly I can only see Hasselblad's market share continue to be put under pressure.Hasselblad makes good products in a declining market and under attack from as good competitors, such as phase one and Leica. I find it difficult to defend the Luna and Stella
But on the subject of Fujifilm making Hassleblad lenses, Fuji's cine lenses are regarded as the best in the industry (also the most expensive). The last three Harry Potter films were filmed with Fuji cine lenses and all the big production houses in the US, UK and India use Fuji cine lenses.
Parts of the new Disney Malificent movie was filmed in England early this year and I saw a spread on it and low and behold Fuji logos on the lenses of all the car-size cameras in use. You talk Sony lenses to anyone in that industry and they will have a laughing fit. A typical Fuji cine lens costs more than my house!!
I honestly believe Leica will be a survivor because it knows what it does well and sticks to it without allowing itself to be influenced by "trends" that come and go. Risky but its worked for them so far.Leica is doing very well at the moment, but its main profit cash cow, the M series, is under attack from very competent APs-C players, e.g. Fuji, and with the Sony A7, better FF players. Therefore it will have to keep growing its luxury market to survive. Leica appeal is part workflow (rangefinder), part results and part jewellery. Its difficult for competitors to attack 1 and 3 and , although uncomfortable for enthusiasts, probably the areas Leica needs to work on to survive. If it can come up with innovative products (like the X2 was, or the M9 was) then all the better but this will be increasingly difficult as other companies go for the lightweight FF market.
I used to be a Nikon fan, and they make some great cameras, but how they have dealt with some recent faults and customer issues mean I will unlikely buy a product form them again. Frankly I was further put off by the DF, an uglier version of the D610 with functionality stripped out for twice the price. I think Nikon needs an urgent rethink as well.
Fujifilm were a hair's breath away from buying Olympus not long ago. I fully expect that will eventually happen. This I feel is how the industry is headed. The bigger players will swallow up the little ones that are struggling. Heck, Fujifilm might even buy the Sony camera division if Sony can't stop spiraling downwards.
One thing is for certain ... in ten years time the landscape will be very different to how it is now.
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Cheers!Nikon does indeed break out camera sales -- look for the results of the imaging company. There's nothing of consequence besides cameras in the imaging business for Nikon. They are one of the few companies where it's possible to get specific business numbers that are confined to cameras.Neither Fujifilm nor Nikon break out camera sales from overall sales, so we do not know if Nikon is making money on cameras. Not sure about Canon.
No, they sold 8.2 million DSLRs in 2012. Their current forecast for 2013 (year ending Dec. 31, 2013) is 8 million units (they likely shipped about 35-40% of that total by the end of June.)Found another stat: Canon sold 7 million DSLRs in 2011. Probably down since then.
I like Fuji's X camera business, but many people don't know the scale of these markets. Just add up the Canon numbers above -- in the same period that Fuji has sold roughly 700,000 X-series cameras, Canon has sold more than 18 million DSLRs. Nikon sold roughly 15 million DSLRs in that same period.Fujifilm has sold about 3/4 million X cameras (apparently not including X10), which isn't bad.
For a mirrorless comparison, in its last fiscal year (ending March 31, 2013), Olympus sold 590,000 m4/3 cameras -- i.e. not far from Fuji's total for 2.5 years.
The one thing in the NY Times article that struck me as evasive reporting (i.e. he had an angle on the story and didn't want to undercut his theme) is that he compared the drop in overall digital camera unit sales -- 39% -- to the drop in mirrorless unit sales -- 13%.
But he didn't make the more instructive comparison of DSLRs to mirrorless. Like MILCs, DSLRs have not dropped anywhere near as much as the overall camera market -- they're down 17%. In other words, DSLRs are almost as much of a "relative bright spot" for the industry as MILCs are.
All that said, for a general interest newspaper, the article was a pretty good piece of reporting on what is a pretty obscure corner of the business world. We're not talking oil or real estate or even smartphones here.
Excuse me, I think you smeared me first
but ok you are allowed to do it
blind ?
radical ?
a lot of assumptions with no base whatsoever
you imply that criticising something is stupid ? especially on a forum
come on, what a load of bull
I would not be glad to in this forum Lawrence"I am merely pointing out that the papers way is wrong, demonstrably so in many arenas (sin of omission, barefaced lies, etc.)"
If it's so demonstrable, please provide three examples of barefaced lies.