gollywop
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I, of course, meant SD, not CD, in my previous post. Sorry 'bout that.
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Seeking tablet recommendation for traveling
- Thread starter coloradosnowman
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I have an Android phone an an Apple tablet. The Android operating system and UI does seem more advanced that IOS.
For instance...
1) With Android it allows me to zoom into a photo far beyond the pixel density that has been downloaded. This is a really nice feature.
2) With Android I can manage to get automatic instant syncing while I dont seem to be able to do this with IOS (most things have to be manually synced). For instance if I upload to Flickr from Lightroom, any uploads are automatically synced with my Android phone. With the ipad I have to download the photos from Flickr. Actually the same seems to apply even with syncing from itunes (gee I hate this program) to my devices - totally automatic with Android, manual with the ipad.
On the app front, I do think the ipad comes out on top. Photosmith, my main photo app isnt available on Android. My portfolio app - portfolio pro - isnt either (but perhaps I could find an alternative) and neither is localscope which is my favorite search app.
Finally I do think that the ipad screens are the best available - of something like screens are fairly subjective.
For instance...
1) With Android it allows me to zoom into a photo far beyond the pixel density that has been downloaded. This is a really nice feature.
2) With Android I can manage to get automatic instant syncing while I dont seem to be able to do this with IOS (most things have to be manually synced). For instance if I upload to Flickr from Lightroom, any uploads are automatically synced with my Android phone. With the ipad I have to download the photos from Flickr. Actually the same seems to apply even with syncing from itunes (gee I hate this program) to my devices - totally automatic with Android, manual with the ipad.
On the app front, I do think the ipad comes out on top. Photosmith, my main photo app isnt available on Android. My portfolio app - portfolio pro - isnt either (but perhaps I could find an alternative) and neither is localscope which is my favorite search app.
Finally I do think that the ipad screens are the best available - of something like screens are fairly subjective.
Well aren't you the expert! I didn't say that the resolution was the same, I said it was "similar". I also said the keyboard/dock is nice to have, but that doesn't mean you have to use it all the time, nor does in mean that you can't use the virtual keyboard. I didn't say that third party covers didn't fit perfectly, but I might have been clearer to say simply that Apple doesn't make a keyboard/dock and therefore they are only available as third party. Nothing prevents third party manufacturers from making a dock that fits an iPad perfectly, but certainly the tablet manufacturer (ASUS) can make a perfect one too, for their tablet. The one for the Infinity matches the finish and has the other advantages that I mentioned, namely, protection, additional battery and additional memory card slot. I never said it was lighter than an iPad Air, in fact, I never mentioned the iPad Air. You put a lot of effort into challenging each and every thing I offered as information to the original poster. He or she can take it as an gesture of help, which is what a forum is about: exchange of information and ideas, and help to those who seek it. Ripping another person's ideas to shreds is totally unproductive and contributes nothing to this forum.
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PVCdroid
Senior Member
Apple vs. Android : Canon vs. Nikon vs. Sony : FF vs. APS-C vs. MFT
It's a war zone discussing the merits of each and some won't give up. It is sad that the OP received a lot of misguided/exaggerated facts but this happens on all the forums. We might as well discuss religion or politics. Anyone want to discuss typing speed with Swype? lol
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coloradosnowman
Leading Member
Swype??? Are you crazy??? Swiftkey all the way baby!!!
Just kidding! : )
Just kidding! : )
coloradosnowman
Leading Member
Exactly! If it just had a better display and maybe a little lower cost. But the potential deal breaker for me is the display. I just don't want a tablet with a lesser display than the iPad. Most, if not all tablets are PCs or MCs (mobile computers). Some are just more powerful than others. Just imagine how powerful they will be in a few years! We live in an awesome time with such wonderful choices...
1) In iOS it just depends on which app iOS you’re using. My PP apps include unlimited zooming.
2) One example, you can use iCloud Photo Sharing (iDevices, PC/Mac). Share your images (upload them) from iPhoto or Aperture (on a PC use iCloud Control Panel) to Flickr, Facebook, SmugMug, iCloud. Images will show up on all your devices.
I don't know why people complain so much about iTunes. It works fine and if you don't want to use it, you don't have to. There are so many other ways to transfer files around.
2) One example, you can use iCloud Photo Sharing (iDevices, PC/Mac). Share your images (upload them) from iPhoto or Aperture (on a PC use iCloud Control Panel) to Flickr, Facebook, SmugMug, iCloud. Images will show up on all your devices.
I don't know why people complain so much about iTunes. It works fine and if you don't want to use it, you don't have to. There are so many other ways to transfer files around.
But now we’re back to an ultra book which the OP doesn’t want. IMO, the Surface isn’t much more of a tablet, but it is a lot less of a desktop.
If he doesn’t want a tablet, it’s best to get an MBA. The beauty of the Air is battery-life and size of a tablet, but desktop power and connectivity (get home, plug it into a gigantic monitor and run desktop apps).
If he doesn’t want a tablet, it’s best to get an MBA. The beauty of the Air is battery-life and size of a tablet, but desktop power and connectivity (get home, plug it into a gigantic monitor and run desktop apps).
coloradosnowman
Leading Member
For all of those recommending laptops, or ultrabooks, or convertables - thanks! I already have a big heavy laptop (17" screen), a 13" business laptop, and a nice little netbook, but for my personal travel needs, I prefer a tablet. But everything that you all said made sense.
Having owned and currently own multiple Apple products (including an iPad), I just can't get over their proprietary interfaces and closed architecture. They just tend to make some things more difficult, IMHO. But like all tablets they also do somethings really well.
Partly based on some of the advantages listed by Morris, pixelpushing and others, I am now leaning towards a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014. I bought my daughter a Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 in July and she loves it! I wasn't aware of the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 before it was mentioned in this thread.
In addition to being able to view my photos on a bigger screen while traveling (yes a 10.1" screen is better than a 3" screen), maybe do some light editing of those photos, and maybe even occasionally backing up my photos to a hard drive or the cloud when on extended trips, I love tablets to be able to listen to music, view movies and music videos, read email, do light word processing and etc. But I'm not a facebook or twitter guy.
The way tablet technology is progressing, there really aren't many bad choices out there. It really seems to come down to personal needs and personal preferences. And BTW, this thread did sway me into changing my thought process from the Microsoft Surface Pro 2 to the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014. In the end, primarily based on the specifications of the respective displays.
Thanks again and best regards to all, Dean
Having owned and currently own multiple Apple products (including an iPad), I just can't get over their proprietary interfaces and closed architecture. They just tend to make some things more difficult, IMHO. But like all tablets they also do somethings really well.
Partly based on some of the advantages listed by Morris, pixelpushing and others, I am now leaning towards a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014. I bought my daughter a Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 in July and she loves it! I wasn't aware of the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 before it was mentioned in this thread.
In addition to being able to view my photos on a bigger screen while traveling (yes a 10.1" screen is better than a 3" screen), maybe do some light editing of those photos, and maybe even occasionally backing up my photos to a hard drive or the cloud when on extended trips, I love tablets to be able to listen to music, view movies and music videos, read email, do light word processing and etc. But I'm not a facebook or twitter guy.
The way tablet technology is progressing, there really aren't many bad choices out there. It really seems to come down to personal needs and personal preferences. And BTW, this thread did sway me into changing my thought process from the Microsoft Surface Pro 2 to the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014. In the end, primarily based on the specifications of the respective displays.
Thanks again and best regards to all, Dean
PVCdroid
Senior Member
The OP's request was for a tablet recommendation. These are in a different league~ at least $700 difference.
coloradosnowman
Leading Member
Thanks! You swayed my opinion also! Regards, Dean
Tom_N
Forum Pro
You must be thinking of prices for the Surface RT (the one that can't run off-the-shelf Wintel apps). If you look on Microsoft's and Apple's sites, you find these prices on the Surface 2 Pro and the 13" MacBook Air and 13" MacBook Retina Pro. (All examples assume a Core i5 CPU and 8 GB of RAM, for comparison's sake, although in some cases other custom-order upgrades are available.)
- Microsoft Surface Pro 2 – $1299 (256 GB flash) or $1799 (512 GB flash). Microsoft's click-in Surface Type Cover 2 keyboard adds another $129.
- 13" MacBook Air – $1399 (256 GB flash) or $1699 (512 GB flash)
- 13" Retina MacBook Pro – $1499 (256 GB flash) or $1799 (512 GB flash)
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Basalite
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As a viewing device there is no need to be zooming further than 1:1 (100%).
What do you mean? The iOS Flickr app and the site would be updated after you upload from Lightroom.
Seems? What exactly are you trying to do with iTunes?
Why?
You need to give specific examples.
That is a fact.
Not "subjective" at all. Display image quality attributes are easily measured. The iPad displays get the highest praise when it comes to color accuracy.
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Basalite
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Exactly. I've never had any issues with iTunes.
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Basalite
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It should be obvious that he will want to take advantage of other standard tablet functions. All the things I have mentioned fairly apply.
There's no point in you making such a statement. I objectively and logically judge each post and comment I respond to. I can't be soft-soaped.
I was specifically referring to ppi in that example. In fact, the iPad Air has a higher true ppi since the Note uses a Pentile type of display, which to put it simply does not have a red, green and blue subpixel for each pixel as the iPad's true RGB display does.
There are clearly many other differences too.
In practice, I don't think so. In a nutshell, managing files on an iPad is nothing near the chore detractors make it out to be.
They are similar in size class but beyond that there are many differences between the iPads and the Note. The fact that the iPads have access to a far bigger library of *tablet apps*, and that's an understatement, is the most obvious one. The Note obviously can't fill the "same need" as a result.
The display on the Note is also inferior to the display on the iPads, something obviously important for the photographer.
As I said, and so have many other people, file handling on the iPad is essentially a non-issue, and especially in the photo context. You also don't even have as many and/or the same quality of photo apps available for Android as you do with the iPad.
Since a tablet is obviously designed to be used with your fingers I see no need for having a stylus as an necessity. It's not like you are going to be doing any masking with your stylus in Photoshop.
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Basalite
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I was going to respond to your entire post but with a silly opening statement like that, there is no point.
My discussion with you is over.
Well I certainly wasn't looking for a contest. My original post was to the OP merely telling what I used and some of the reasons why. That's what the OP had asked. It was this other person Basalite who decided to be negative, so my second post was in response. I don't care either way what the OP decides to do, I simply told him/her what I used. So, in agreement to what you say, it all comes down to a personal choice.
I have been using the surface pro 2 8gb 256gb storage that you are considering. It is a real powerhouse with all the frustrations of trying to find workarounds with the iPad becoming non issues. Photoshop, lightroom, RAW software are all fluid and fast. An external USB 3 hdd makes file transfer speedy and the screen is excellent. I personally find the size is more than acceptable given the massive difference in performance. What I have really found useful is the digitiser - great for precision editing which I couldn't do on a PC. Battery life is essentially all day with the pro 2 and the recent wifi update.
There are some limitations - screen size is a bit on the small size for fine editing using some legacy apps and the digitiser isn't great in the corners of the screen. It is also pricy, but not if you compare what apple is charging for 128gb ipad. I would also prefer a 3:2 ratio.
The surface has become my primary editing device (hooked up the a larger monitor when not on the road) and the iPad as a secondary photo viewer, but only for jpeg
There are some limitations - screen size is a bit on the small size for fine editing using some legacy apps and the digitiser isn't great in the corners of the screen. It is also pricy, but not if you compare what apple is charging for 128gb ipad. I would also prefer a 3:2 ratio.
The surface has become my primary editing device (hooked up the a larger monitor when not on the road) and the iPad as a secondary photo viewer, but only for jpeg
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Basalite
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Why are you now also trying to compare and talk about older iPads?? The iPad Air is the current big iPad.
Anyone who has used small tablets, like the iPad mini, knows I am not exaggerating. The lighter you get the more you notice differences in weight. The iPad Air is 1lb. That's significant.
Build quality and fit and finish is not "purely subjective." One would have to be in complete denial to think the Note has similar build quality and finish to the iPad Air. Apple has a long and well deserved reputation for having the best build quality and finish for their products.
Obviously Apple now also has a plastic iPhone, if that's what one prefers, and comparing the iPhone 5C to the Samsungs one can easily see the higher level of build quality and finish in the iPhone 5C.
The iPhone 5, a contemporary to the S4, has shown itself to be even more durable than the S4 in many drop tests. That said, something cheaply designed, cheaply looking and cheaply feeling, even if fairly "durable," in the end still looks and feels cheap. Comparing an iPhone 5 to an S4, the S4 looks and feels very cheap in comparison.
I already addressed that part of the other person's post. Go back and read my response.
Stick to addressing the topic and disputing what I have said. Don't make it a personal issue.
In regards to what?
Once again, stick to addressing the topic and disputing what I have said. Your "antagonistic" and now "smack talk" comments are not going to make anyone want to continue responding to you.
Why would I want to talk about old tablets no longer on sale?
What do you mean by that? With the sole exception of the iPad 4, which was introduced almost 8 months after the iPad 3, every iPad update has been released yearly.
I'm assuming you are referring to battery life? If so, battery life estimates from Apple for the iPads have been very conservative. For example, the iPads are known for getting 13-14 hours of use for video watching. It depends on how you use it. My iPad 4 gives me consistently 11.5 hours of mixed use. If you truly want to know the battery life of an iPad, short of using one yourself, you need to go to reputable review sites and compare carefully and critically.
What the heck? Why are you comparing an older iPad to the current iPad? The comparison made was between the Note and the iPad Air.
You also need to read more carefully as the "previous gen iPad" to the iPad Air is the iPad 4, and it is beaten in all categories by the iPad Air.
The iPad Air in that test beats the Note in every category they are compared at for battery life, and by important amounts. An extra 1.5 hours of battery life is significant.
Nonsense. First off, Anandtech is one of the most respected and reputable tech sites in existence. Their battery life tests also jive with other respected sites and reviewers, and users.
Read more carefully, and objectively. The battery life differences in the Anantech comparison shows the iPad Air getting an an hour and a half more battery life in both tests. That's a significant amount.
Please, you are reaching hard. The numbers speak for themselves. I don't know anyone that is using iPhone apps on their iPad.
Why? You think all of them are fart apps designed for the iPad interface? Try and be reasonable.
By far the biggest complaint of Android tablet users is the lack of actual *tablet apps* available for their Android tablet. Then comes apps that have yet to be released or are not even available outside of iOS, even for an Android phone. This is common knowledge in the industry and amongst users.
LOL, why do you need examples? The numbers speak for themselves. Ask Google how many actual *tablet apps* exist for Android tablets. Go luck in getting an answer.
LOL. There are over 475,000 actual *tablet apps* available for the iPad!! There is no reason for them to be using an iPhone app on an iPad!!
The scalable UX of an Abdroid app is meaningless if it can not account for the very many Android tablets available, and it can't do so in a meaningful way if it is not done so by the developer. Most developers will not bother. That is what happened and that is what continues to happen. This is a very well known reality of Android tablets.
The iPad apps, on the contrary, are basically the same for the few iPads that exist making development far, far simpler. That explains why the iPad has over 475,000 actual *tablet apps* available to it. Google to this day still refuses to give any numbers to indicate even an estimate of how many Android apps have interfaces that are truly designed for all the Android tablets that exist. It's obvious why.
When it comes to tablets there obviously is. This is common industry and user knowledge. It's the number one complaint of Android tablet users.
LOL. Why would it if it is simply being blown up to fit the screen of the Android tabket.
The fact that an iPad specific version, an actual *tablet app*, is made is what you want with Android tablets!!
Scaling a phone app's more sparse and limited interface onto a tablet is most certainly a "big deal."
You are doing the same silly, illogical and irrelevant thing the other person was. Once again, there are over 475,000 actual *tablet apps* available for the iPad!! There is no reason for them to be using an iPhone app on an iPad!!
There have been more Android tablets "out there" for a long time now since they can be had for much cheaper than an iPad. What matters is usage, where the money spending customers are at and how easy it is to develop apps for a specific ecosystem.
Usage: Over 80% of tablet web use comes from the iPad. That's a stark indication that shows most Android tablets get little or no use after purchase.
Money spending customers: That's an obvious one, iPad users are willing to spend more money from the get go, and consequently do so for apps.
Ease to develop for: There are just a handful of iPads to develop tablet apps for, something that makes the job of developers far, far easier than having to develop for the endless amount of Android tablets out there.
Nonsense. Someone looking that up and confirming it from multiple sources that are easily accessible is far more valuable than simply taking my word for it.
Of course it is a big deal. Having to wait 6 months or more for an Android app is a "big deal." Then you have to consider the situations where an app never even makes it to Android.
Maybe because you have no idea how good and capable it really is. That's a common thing.
I don't have any problem with losing my TV remote.
The SD card storage options situation on the iPad isn't going to change so if one feels that is important enough to overlook all the other advantages to the iPads and/or they can't afford them then they need to buy something else.
That said, the way content is consumed on tablets, and other mobile devices, storage options are in practice are not the great concern that some people make them out to be. My iPads have been the 64GB versions and I have never come close to filling them up. That's the reality of the situation for most people.
My discussion with you is over, as I am now simply repeating myself.
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Basalite
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I disagree. The iPad has many advantages over Android tablets that greatly overrides any reasoning that ties into an Android phone.
Same on an iOS device.
I have given "objective" reasons why the iPads are overall the far superior tablets. You are welcome to dispute them.
In this photo context you need to simply say wireless abilities. That's something the iPad has no issue with.
Huh?? What is preventing someone using a wifi only iPad tethered to a phone? iOS allows tethering.
SD cards are dirt cheap so one does not need to be swapping out cards or increasing storage onto a tablet.
If one is paranoid about backups then there are far better solutions than a tablet for backing up photos.
Since when is this little used tech been in "most new cameras?" Nikon has a wireless adapter for many of its DSLRs to send photos directly to an iOS device like an iPad. that's just one example of tarnsfering photos.
Why do you feel an IR port is necessary for that in this day and age? There many solutions for remote and intervalometer function for iOS devices, and I would bet much more so than for Android.
Negative. Take the new Samsung Note 10.1, for example, it doesn't even use an RGB per pixel display. It uses an inferior Pentile display giving inferior image quality in practically every criteria used to judge and grade displays, including real resolution.
In regards to the smaller tablets the iPad mini Retina has just as high of a ppi as any of the best Android tablets. The ppi diffference between the iPad Air is small compared to the highest ppi of large Andoid tablets that actually have a RGB oer pixel display, like the Nexus 10.
The biggest advantage to the iPads displays are that they have calibrated high gamut displays, which has made them very popular with photographers.
Without even getting into comparisons of photo apps available for each ecosystem, since iOS clearly leads in this category, why would you want to use a tablet for raw processing?
As for promoting Google's services, anyone who cares about their privacy and personal information would not be using such a service. Sorry. Google is at heart an ad company and your personal information is central to their revenue. Apple isn't.
Nonsense. It is common knowledge in the industry and amongst users that Android *tablet app" availability is still a joke in comparison to the iPad.
LOL. Nonsense. Both size iPads consistently have the best battery life of all tablets, which in many cases is a difference of hours.
Correct, but one has to be careful with the particular Android tablet they are comparing to the iPads as speeds are all over the place.
It is a fact that you see more of your web page and app when typing onscreen with the iPad's 4:3 display. Magazines and books, for examples, also fit the iPad's display better.
Obviously, which is why I asked you above why you would be using a a tablet for converting from raw.
And the iPads have the best displays in the industry. There's no disputing that. For that size the new iPad mini Retina is the best choice.
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