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EOS M2 - Anyone want to guess the price?

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007peter said:
I can say with reasonable confidence the introduction price will be $799 with 22mm STM lens. Unlike the initial M, M2 will have improved hybrid sensor from 70D, which will sell well, that means NO MORE $299 FIRE SALE :( M2 will be expensive and STAY expensive for a long while.
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I don't think it is a given though that the current M will disappear. It could remain as the $299 entry level M, with the M2 positioned as more of the "enthusiasts" camera at $799

It makes sense for Canon to have more than one body on offer, and it makes sense for them to have an entry level into the system - not just one high-priced enthusiasts model.
 
Lawrencew said:
I don't think it is a given though that the current M will disappear. It could remain as the $299 entry level M, with the M2 positioned as more of the "enthusiasts" camera at $799

It makes sense for Canon to have more than one body on offer, and it makes sense for them to have an entry level into the system - not just one high-priced enthusiasts model.
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I tend to agree. If you look at the competition, none of them are putting out just one model. Even Nikon and Pentax have multiple bodies on the market. Also looking at the competition, I think Canon really needs to up the ante so as to remain competitive. An EOS M2 based largely on the M functionality at ~$800 will have to compete with the E-M5, LX7, and Fuji and Sony's offerings. Not gonna be easy, though Canon will be assured a certain number of sales based on existing Canon users who want to stay within the system. That said, if Canon is serious about the M's future, I suspect we'll see new higher and lower models come out at the same time.
 
007peter said:
sbruno said:
I'd be willing to put out around $500 for an M2, assuming it uses a 70D sensor (per CR)
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I hate to break the news to you, but the world doesn't revolve around you.
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Really? All this time I've been buying camera gear and I seriously thought they were producing it for my own personal consumption. Big bummer to finally hear this :(
007peter said:
Since there are no shortage of buyers for a $799 M2 with improved AF, you can kiss your $500 price point good bye.
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I guess I'll have to rethink my whole strategy now and just subscribe to your threads so I can see what's going to happen.
 
Marco Nero said:
First up, I don't subscribe to that TRASH website known as Canonrumors. And I LOATHE anyone who posts rubbish from there. It's just full of lies by stupid people wanting to stir the pot.
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But I have been posting here since I bought my EOS-M1.
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I was told (by Canon staff) at around the time I purchased the EOS-M body (on the day of release here for just over $1099) that when the EOS-M2 is released (yes, we were talking about it way back on the day of release) that it would be more expensive, but a Pro-Version of the EOS-M1.
Later I found out that the EOS-M2 would include a new type of sensor that had just been patented by Canon but would revolutionize the AF system of future cameras. They also said the new sensor would be tested in a DSLR like the 7D2 and that it would be released in the next year.
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So my predictions, based on what I have been told (by people who really do seem to know), is as follows:
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* EOS-MV2 will cost MORE than the original EOS-MV1 body when released.

* EOS-MV2 will use the Dual-Layered sensor that was originally patented for it.

* EOS-MV2 will probably be the "Pro" version Canon promised us - with "more controls".

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My belief has ALWAYS been that the new EOS-M successor will cost at least $1000 because that's what Canon were suggesting when they said they expected to release a more expensive pro-version. If I paid $1000+ for the EOS-M1 body, then this means the M2 has to be more expensive. I guess we'll see. But I've been right so far.

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Marco,

I think, you are mostly right, in the sense of initial higher pricing if the M2 will ever materialise. The new camera to be attractive and successfully compete with best of M4/3 and APS-C entry level cams need to offer substantial improvement over not only previous model but distinguish itself with superior features. M1 is already a great base to do so, especially with native lens line and full integration with EF/EF-S lenses via dedicated adapter. So as a system camera, improved model would attract not only the first time buyers but the DSLR owners (as the worthy complement to their toolboxes).

Historically, the problem with execution of such philosophy could be two-fold:

1. How to avoid undercutting sales of entry level DSLR's

2. Based on Canon Powershot S90-S120 incremental improvement measured in millimeters from one model to another, how would be possible to make a leap? Unless the whole marketing philosophy change dramatically I cannot envision that easily.

There is another concern that most likely Canon will need to respond to Nikon Df in some way. Not sure if new M2 would not create a marketing conflict, again, for undercutting sales of the other offerings.

I think that time will tell. For now, M1 is an excellent value for what it is for as long as it is available.

Best

Richard
 
Richard Franiec said:
1. How to avoid undercutting sales of entry level DSLR's

2. Based on Canon Powershot S90-S120 incremental improvement measured in millimeters from one model to another, how would be possible to make a leap? Unless the whole marketing philosophy change dramatically I cannot envision that easily.

There is another concern that most likely Canon will need to respond to Nikon Df in some way. Not sure if new M2 would not create a marketing conflict, again, for undercutting sales of the other offerings.

I think that time will tell. For now, M1 is an excellent value for what it is for as long as it is available.

Best

Richard
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Richard,

I think we will see a very significant change in photography behaviour and future!

I am afraid the big makers are not ready yet to see it coming, with the exception of Sony perhaps?

Entry level DSLR will disappear completely in the not so far future, may be even the mid level segment will die out.

Casual and P&S photography will be done exclusively with phones & pads. The P&S sales are already going down and suggest such move.

Enthusiasts will likely settle for good mirrorless systems because of portability and convenience at still high IQ.

Only hardcore freaks, collectors and finally the professionals will stick to pro-grade DSLR due to various (good) reasons.

And finally, yes the M1 has indeed a very excellent value as it is. For me it does "the trick"...
 
maybe canon will never release an eos m2 and the eos m will be an orphan

just go out and enjoy the eos m you have now
 
wherearemyshorts said:
maybe canon will never release an eos m2 and the eos m will be an orphan

just go out and enjoy the eos m you have now
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Why would the lack of successor make it an orphan? Wouldn't a mark 2 model be more like a child than a parent?
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Marco Nero said:
* EOS-MV2 will probably be the "Pro" version Canon promised us - with "more controls".

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My belief has ALWAYS been that the new EOS-M successor will cost at least $1000 because that's
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Even with the 70D sensor, I question whether AF speed will be good enough to be appropriate for a $1,000+ pro version. Time will tell...
 
Richard Franiec said:
Marco Nero said:
First up, I don't subscribe to that TRASH website known as Canonrumors. And I LOATHE anyone who posts rubbish from there. It's just full of lies by stupid people wanting to stir the pot.
.
But I have been posting here since I bought my EOS-M1.
.
I was told (by Canon staff) at around the time I purchased the EOS-M body (on the day of release here for just over $1099) that when the EOS-M2 is released (yes, we were talking about it way back on the day of release) that it would be more expensive, but a Pro-Version of the EOS-M1.
Later I found out that the EOS-M2 would include a new type of sensor that had just been patented by Canon but would revolutionize the AF system of future cameras. They also said the new sensor would be tested in a DSLR like the 7D2 and that it would be released in the next year.
.
So my predictions, based on what I have been told (by people who really do seem to know), is as follows:
.

* EOS-MV2 will cost MORE than the original EOS-MV1 body when released.

* EOS-MV2 will use the Dual-Layered sensor that was originally patented for it.

* EOS-MV2 will probably be the "Pro" version Canon promised us - with "more controls".

.
My belief has ALWAYS been that the new EOS-M successor will cost at least $1000 because that's what Canon were suggesting when they said they expected to release a more expensive pro-version. If I paid $1000+ for the EOS-M1 body, then this means the M2 has to be more expensive. I guess we'll see. But I've been right so far.

--
Regards,
Marco Nero.
www.pbase.com/nero_design
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Marco,

I think, you are mostly right, in the sense of initial higher pricing if the M2 will ever materialise. The new camera to be attractive and successfully compete with best of M4/3 and APS-C entry level cams need to offer substantial improvement over not only previous model but distinguish itself with superior features. M1 is already a great base to do so, especially with native lens line and full integration with EF/EF-S lenses via dedicated adapter. So as a system camera, improved model would attract not only the first time buyers but the DSLR owners (as the worthy complement to their toolboxes).

Historically, the problem with execution of such philosophy could be two-fold:

1. How to avoid undercutting sales of entry level DSLR's
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It's getting to the point where Canon may nor care whether M2 undercuts entry level DSLRs or not. If entry level DSLRs are declining in popularity anyway Canon is pragmatic enough to know that it has to have an offering whether it be a DSLR or not. And a Canon sale is better than losing it to the competition.
Richard Franiec said:
2. Based on Canon Powershot S90-S120 incremental improvement measured in millimeters from one model to another, how would be possible to make a leap? Unless the whole marketing philosophy change dramatically I cannot envision that easily.
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I'm not sure that really is any different to the situation we have now is it? I may be missing your point on this.
Richard Franiec said:
There is another concern that most likely Canon will need to respond to Nikon Df in some way. Not sure if new M2 would not create a marketing conflict, again, for undercutting sales of the other offerings.
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Neither am I sure that M2 has to be the vehicle that is a response to the Df. If indeed a response is even considered important.
Richard Franiec said:
I think that time will tell. For now, M1 is an excellent value for what it is for as long as it is available.
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True but I don't think Canon ever really expected to be selling it at this current low pricing level. They've bitten the bullet in order to support their longer term strategy but if you want one snap it up while you can.
Richard Franiec said:
Best

Richard
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007peter said:
Unusual event occur with Canon introducing enthusist 7D and pushing 60d lower-marked
  • $1099* Canon 60D (body only) Aug 2010
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In the UK, the 70D with 18-55mm STM Kit lens was launched at £1199.

Exactly the same price as the 60D with kit lens was launched in Aug 2010

So don't expect the M2 to launch at a significantly lower price than the M launched at...
 
Lawrencew said:
007peter said:
Unusual event occur with Canon introducing enthusist 7D and pushing 60d lower-marked
  • $1099* Canon 60D (body only) Aug 2010
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In the UK, the 70D with 18-55mm STM Kit lens was launched at £1199.

Exactly the same price as the 60D with kit lens was launched in Aug 2010

So don't expect the M2 to launch at a significantly lower price than the M launched at...
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areichow said:
I don't have a prediction myself, but it would make sense if it was introduced at a lower price, reflecting a shift in Canon's approach with the M. One must admit that the situation of the 60D and 70D is different than the M and M2.
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But we don't know there has been a shift in approach by Canon.

What we know is that the M was a bit short of user expectations and faired badly in the market and hence Canon subsequently adjusted the price to reduce inventory.

If Canon now feels the M2 is what the M should have been, then may be they will set its price at the level it introduced the M. Had the M been a roaring success I am sure that is what they would do. I am sure they are not planning a fire sale from the off...

But that isn't to say that Canon won't adjust their position on the M2 and introduce it at a lower price more in-line with what the current market will sustain. It is very hard to predict isn't it?
 
sbruno said:
I'd be willing to put out around $500 for an M2, assuming it uses a 70D sensor (per CR) and is spec'd similarly to the M1. What do you all think the new one will run?
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Given your assumption, I'd agree or maybe go to $600. If, however, the M2 is intended to compete with the Sony NEX-6, Fuji X-E2 and/or Panasonic GX7, then $1100-1200 sounds more reasonable.

Speaking as somebody with far too many FF Canon lenses, the more interesting questions are: will they introduce an answer to the Metabones Speed Booster, will it be 1-stop or 1-1/3 stops and how much will it cost?
 
Lawrencew said:
areichow said:
I don't have a prediction myself, but it would make sense if it was introduced at a lower price, reflecting a shift in Canon's approach with the M. One must admit that the situation of the 60D and 70D is different than the M and M2.
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But we don't know there has been a shift in approach by Canon.
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Very true. Some sort of a shift seems like a logical thing to do, at least to me. Nothing drastic, but either increasing features, decreasing price, and/or multiple models seem like reasonable moves that even a conservative company like Canon might be able to handle.
Lawrencew said:
What we know is that the M was a bit short of user expectations and faired badly in the market and hence Canon subsequently adjusted the price to reduce inventory.
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We also have to factor in how the market has changed in the last two years. For any other brand, $799 gets you more than you get with the original M. The obvious exception to this is compatibility with EF/EF-S lenses, which I don't think is something that should be underestimated. I imagine it's very important to folks coming from other Canon cameras who have a nice lens library built. But relying on only those customers is effectively a dead end as far as marketshare is concerned - if Canon only wanted to sell another body to existing Canon users, I doubt that would have gone to the trouble and expense to create a new camera system, body, and a few lenses.

IMHO, a $799 kit would be a hard sell to most if there is no articulating screen, second dial, EVF, and/or EVF option.
Lawrencew said:
If Canon now feels the M2 is what the M should have been, then may be they will set its price at the level it introduced the M. Had the M been a roaring success I am sure that is what they would do. I am sure they are not planning a fire sale from the off...
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Without a doubt. There's no way that an M2 would come out costing $399 or $299, especially if there were any improvements. That would make no sense for a ton of reasons. If Canon's management thought that the M2 would only sell at $299 or that they'd have to do with the M2 that they did with the M, I don't think they'd bother with the M2 at all.
Lawrencew said:
But that isn't to say that Canon won't adjust their position on the M2 and introduce it at a lower price more in-line with what the current market will sustain. It is very hard to predict isn't it?
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Predicting the future usually is. :)
 
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