Seeking tablet recommendation for traveling

I find tablets to be "tweeners" - they aren't portable enough to be truly portable (they don't fit in a pocket)
I carry my Nexus 7 with me most times I'm out for more than a few hours. Even when its thickness is added to by the small USB keyboard which clips onto it and which I use for emails etc it still fits into the largest inside breast pocket on most of jackets and coats.
Do you wear a jacket on a hot summer day?

My phone fits in every pair of pants I own aside from swim suits. A Nexus 7 won't fit in one of them, and I only wear a jacket at most half of the year, and never indoors. So, that means I'm wearing a jacket at most 10% of my life.
 
Don, I am writing this reply from an iPad 2. I haven't totally ruled out a new iPad yet, but I hate the arrogance of Apple and their refusal to make it easy to interoperate with non-Apple devices. Why can't they provide a USB interface? Why can't the accept CF or SD cards? Why do they insist on locking us in to their closed architecture? Even though they do some thing's very well, Apple frustrates the heck out of me!
 
Don, I am writing this reply from an iPad 2. I haven't totally ruled out a new iPad yet, but I hate the arrogance of Apple and their refusal to make it easy to interoperate with non-Apple devices. Why can't they provide a USB interface? Why can't the accept CF or SD cards? Why do they insist on locking us in to their closed architecture? Even though they do some thing's very well, Apple frustrates the heck out of me!
The iPad is not designed to be a tablet-form laptop with a keyboard/mouse UI that runs a desktop OS and desktop software. Microsoft tried pushing such machines some years before the iPad came out ("Tablet Computing"), and outside of a few niche markets, it was a huge flop. It took Apple to make a best-selling tablet, the iPad; and it was sales which got Google and Microsoft interested in the game.

Apple's success came because they didn't treat tablets as laptops or netbooks, but as devices with their own unique strengths and weaknesses and their own form of user interface interaction. Although the iPads have some features that are very attractive to photographers (Retina IPS screens, light weight, long battery life), it is apparent that Apple's market is the general public, not the more niche market of photographers who want the iPad to replace all other electronic gadgets in their camera/laptop bags.

Android tablets may allow more access to USB, but Google has largely followed the iPad's footsteps. As for Microsoft, they keep pushing the idea of "one OS to rule them all". But what has it achieved? The RT is another flop. Even the future of the Surface Pro models is in doubt, because the price of a well-equipped Surface Pro 2 puts it in competition with Ultrabooks.
 
I thought I would add my 2 cents.

Portability. Tablets are obviously far more portable than notebooks and far easier to use if you are say in the back of a cab and web browsing. I always take mine shooting with me because my tablet fits into my Billingham Hadley Small bag with my equipment.

Apple vs Android. A lot of people fall into pro Apple anti Apple camps. I have to admit I am more in the anti-Apple camp and currently have an Android phone and PC. I do however own an ipad having just upgraded to the ipad Air. It is the best tablet for my photographic needs (and probably the most expensive.)

Why?

1) I do think it has the best screen - high resolution, nice colors. That is very important to me when 'reviewing' my photos or showing photos to other people.

2) The lack of an SD card reader is very irritating and I can see this being a deal clincher for many people. It isnt a problem for me because I wifi my photos to my ipad via a wifi card.

3) Software. This is the deal clincher for me. A number of the Apps I use are only available for IOS. In particular I use Photosmith (which integrates with Lightroom) virtually every time I take photos and it is invaluable when I travel.
 
I think part of his point was, if you’re traveling, and especially traveling light, what is the point of backing up to another device if all you’re doing is carrying this stuff around together (lose one, lose them all)? Are you backing up your original SD cards because they may fail or because you may lose them or you don’t have enough cards?

Carrying around hard drives, card readers, thumb drives, multiple cables and power supplies, etc. sort of defeats the purpose of having a tablet. Just use an ultra book.

You need to consider/figure out your mobile workflow. What’s the tablet for? Previewing images, culling for keepers, storing select images, select processing, select uploads, store everything? What’s it for? If you preview and cull your tablet uploads, it becomes your back-up device (you’ve got room to keep on the tablet the images you think you’ll like to keep).

And like I said earlier, if you gotta get more backups, find a PC/Mac and USB download the tablet files to a miniature card reader or thumb drive.
 
I like the looks and specs of the Pro 2.

Do you guys miss a CD / DVD drive bay ? How important are they ?

This is more of a hybrid/convertible and not a true tablet, but I just started using a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 and think it is great. As a convertible, you will sacrifice a little against a dedicated tablet or a dedicated laptop, but with the specs on these you are not sacrificing much in either direction.

The highlight for me on the newer version of the Yoga's, is the 3200x1800 IPS display, which at these screen sizes is probably a bit of overkill, but it sure does look pretty.
I just got my Lenovo Yoga pro 2 a few weeks ago and absolutely love it. It's very lightweight but that screen is just fantastic for high res images. I used it on a 2 week trip, using it exclusively as my work PC, and found it very comfortable to use all day long, the keyboard is great, battery last for 6-7 hours of constant use (rated at 9), touchpad is among the best I've used. Use all day and it's barely warm on the bottom.

If I want to use it in tablet mode, I like to flip it, sitting on my lap, and not have to hold it up with one hand or prop it up with a pillow. Just set whatever angle and use it.

Have full Photoshop and Lightroom and it's very fast. i7 haswell, 8GB ram, 256G SSD.

Far far more useful than my ipad or android tablet.

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Sorry that I don't have time to reply to everyone. I did receive some excellent responses to my questions! I was originally thinking of a Microsoft Surface Pro 2 with 256GB of storage and 8GB of RAM. If only this tablet had a display equal to or better than the iPad Retina display! The Samsung Note 10.1 2014 looks interesting as does the new ASUS Transformer Pad. I may also take a peek at the Nexus based on recommendations received here in. I haven't totally ruled out an iPad, but the lack of an ability to upgrade the storage with an SD card or similar device really frustrates me. I use to own an iPhone, but now I love my Galaxy S3. I am writing this response using my iPad 2, but life is short and I am really put off by Apple's closed architecture. I didn't mean to start religious wars between supporters of different devices, but it is obvious that it did. Tablets are getting more powerful with better displays everyday. These are exciting times. Thanks again for your suggestions and opinions. Best regards, Dean
 
Sorry that I don't have time to reply to everyone. I did receive some excellent responses to my questions! I was originally thinking of a Microsoft Surface Pro 2 with 256GB of storage and 8GB of RAM. If only this tablet had a display equal to or better than the iPad Retina display! The Samsung Note 10.1 2014 looks interesting as does the new ASUS Transformer Pad. I may also take a peek at the Nexus based on recommendations received here in. I haven't totally ruled out an iPad, but the lack of an ability to upgrade the storage with an SD card or similar device really frustrates me. I use to own an iPhone, but now I love my Galaxy S3. I am writing this response using my iPad 2, but life is short and I am really put off by Apple's closed architecture.
Life is short, so more the reason to accept the way things are and shell out the money for a 128GB iPad. ;)
I didn't mean to start religious wars between supporters of different devices, but it is obvious that it did. Tablets are getting more powerful with better displays everyday. These are exciting times. Thanks again for your suggestions and opinions. Best regards, Dean
 
"Why are you seeking to use a tablet as storage when storage cards, like SD, are so inexpensive?". I think that it is prudent to have a backup when traveling to Africa, for instance. Does that make sense? The backup media could be a disk drive that connects to the tablet.
I don't think it makes sense, especially in remote places where your original and backup are still on you. Buy plenty of quality storage cards, like SanDisk, store them carefully and simply be done with it. I have never lost any images or cards and I also don't have to worry about wasting time copying images. Just think of the card as film until you get home.
 
Don, I am writing this reply from an iPad 2. I haven't totally ruled out a new iPad yet, but I hate the arrogance of Apple and their refusal to make it easy to interoperate with non-Apple devices. Why can't they provide a USB interface? Why can't the accept CF or SD cards? Why do they insist on locking us in to their closed architecture? Even though they do some thing's very well, Apple frustrates the heck out of me!
Why take it so personal? It's just a tablet. Just weigh whether overall the iPad is better, or not, and move on. In my opinion the iPad's are clearly, *overall*, the best and most usable tablets made.
 
Don, I am writing this reply from an iPad 2. I haven't totally ruled out a new iPad yet, but I hate the arrogance of Apple and their refusal to make it easy to interoperate with non-Apple devices. Why can't they provide a USB interface? Why can't the accept CF or SD cards? Why do they insist on locking us in to their closed architecture? Even though they do some thing's very well, Apple frustrates the heck out of me!
The iPad is not designed to be a tablet-form laptop with a keyboard/mouse UI that runs a desktop OS and desktop software. Microsoft tried pushing such machines some years before the iPad came out ("Tablet Computing"), and outside of a few niche markets, it was a huge flop. It took Apple to make a best-selling tablet, the iPad; and it was sales which got Google and Microsoft interested in the game.

Apple's success came because they didn't treat tablets as laptops or netbooks, but as devices with their own unique strengths and weaknesses and their own form of user interface interaction. Although the iPads have some features that are very attractive to photographers (Retina IPS screens, light weight, long battery life), it is apparent that Apple's market is the general public, not the more niche market of photographers who want the iPad to replace all other electronic gadgets in their camera/laptop bags.

Android tablets may allow more access to USB, but Google has largely followed the iPad's footsteps. As for Microsoft, they keep pushing the idea of "one OS to rule them all". But what has it achieved? The RT is another flop. Even the future of the Surface Pro models is in doubt, because the price of a well-equipped Surface Pro 2 puts it in competition with Ultrabooks.
Good post Tom.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't bother with that tablet garbage. They're just expensive toys that don't do anything well; not even web browsing.
LOL, "not even web browsing?" How so?
Have you ever tried to use what passes as a keyboard on a tablet?
Yes, ever since my iPad 1. I was discussing just that with someone else, I believe in this thread. I recently tested my typing speed on my iPad 4's onscreen keyboard and registered 44 wpm. I am much faster when I'm simply typing something I am thinking to type and not reading strange text for a typing speed test. My guess is that I can easily do 60 wpm.
If you're going to buy something that needs an additional keyboard to make it truly functional (as most tablet users seem to lug along a keyboard with their tablet) then why get a tablet in the first place instead of a lightweight laptop.
You wrongly assume that onscreen keyboards are not "truly functional."
Incidentally a Chromebook with a larger display is $200 and a 10" tablet starts at around $400.
Chromebooks are another subject but one would be foolish to invest in such a crippled device.
Rather than lug an expensive POS like a tablet around, I'd just concentrate on taking photos and review them when you get home.
I actually agree the later part, especially since storage cards are so cheap. But, definitely bring a tablet along for the many other uses they are capable of.
Yes. Storage cards are cheap. I wouldn't contemplate dragging a tablet around any more than I would drag a set of barbells around.
Sure, because that's a reasonable comparison. :)
Oggling them via a tablet is no better than reviewing them on the camera's LCD.
That's obviously a ridiculous statement.
YOu can see if a photo is properly exposed and in focus on a 3" screen as well as on a 24" screen.
I wasn't suggesting that one would would only be checking for exposure.
The disadvantage of a tablet there is that they largely cannot handle raw files as they lack the processing power.
Not true. I don't think you realize how powerful the A7 in the iPads are. What is lacking for raw is file support, no processing power.
 
iPads do have color accurate displays, but the latest Note 10.1 is not to be dismissed,
No, I would dismiss Android tablets for other reasons.
But if those reasons are like your previous post, they would most likely be driven by your love of iPads.
I don't "love" electronic devices. I gave very valid and logical reasons, that have nothing to do with love, for why I prefer and recommend iPads. You are welcome to try and dispute them.
with its higher than retina resolution
The iPad mini Retina has even higher resolution, more specifically ppi. The iPad Air is not much less than the Note. It would be hard to notice a difference.
And the S4 is much higher ppi than the iPad mini, but that's not the point.
Tablets were being compared, not phones.
and far more robust file management support. Not that you can't export RAW and the like on an iOS device, but copying and storing files on Android is far less hassle, on the whole.
Most people do fine on their iPads as they are simply not trying to replicate the PC experience. It's apples and oranges.
Yes but you can't claim the iPad is the best choice if someone does want to be able to manage their files.
Read my reasons for recommending the iPads. Obviously if you or anyone else has a need not covered by those reasons then consider yourselves excluded from my recommendation. The "best choice" as it relates to the iPad, and most anything else, is a matter of overall consideration or based on specific needs. If you have read my comments you would see I use the word overall in saying the iPad is the best when specific needs are not being considered.
 
Christmas is just around the corner and I am thinking about asking Santa for a new tablet to replace the laptop that I use to carry around with me when I traveled. In the past I have used my laptop to download my photos onto, and also to do some preliminary viewing and editing in Lightroom and/or Photoshop. Being able to use Lightroom and/or Photoshop on a tablet is not necessarily a requirement of mine. There are a lot of choices out there and I was hoping to hear your thoughts on using tablets to assist with your photography when traveling. What tablet do you use for your photography needs when traveling? And what do you like about it and what don't you like about it? Thanks in advance! Regards, Dean
That's a simple answer, especially if you don't own one already. Get an iPad Air.

Advantages to the iPad Air:
  • Lightest full size tablet made, at only 1 pound
About 2 oz. lighter than the Galaxy tab, not a big deal.
Which Galaxy tab? The 10.1 is more than 20% heavier. That becomes a big deal the lighter a tablet gets.
  • 4:3 display aspect ratio allows one to see more of web pages and fits other content like books and magazines better than the typical 16:9 display of an Android tablet. In other words, most content is viewed better under that aspect ratio. Even typing is easier.
Completely subjective.
Negative. It's a fact that the 4:3 display shows more of web pages as it is a fact that most content viewed on a tablet fits the 4:3 aspect ratio better than 16:9.
Almost all computer monitors these days are 16:9 and turned on end you actually see more of a web page on 16:9 it's just a bit narrower.
Do yourself a favor and do a bit more research on how that relates to tablets and comparisons to the iPad's 4:3 displays. The iPads clearly show more of a web page.
Depends what you like, but neither are objectively "better".
In specific areas of course the iPad is clearly better. And overall it is very clearly better.
  • By many hours the best battery life of a full size tablet. The only other tablet similar is the new Microsoft Surface 2, which is a non-contender due mainly to very poor app support
10 hrs iPad Air vs. 9 hrs Galaxy Note, others are similar. Not exactly "many hours" in fact hardly noticeable. My daily use patterns vary much more than that.
Negative. Apple's battery life for the iPads have always been very conservative. You need to compare reviews showing battery test comparisons. The iPads, for example give around 14 hours of video use. The iPads consistently have the best battery life, and often by many hours.
  • By far (a gross understatement) the largest *actual tablet app* selection of any tablet at over 475,000
I have an Android tablet and there are tons of "tablet" apps, in fact I can't think of a single app that doesn't look good on it. Android doesn't just "scale up" phone apps like iPad does.
Nonsense. The over 475,000 apps available for the iPads are all tablet apps designed for the iPads. They are not phone apps!
Not sure exactly what's involved in the programming but none of the apps I use look the same on my phone and tablet.
There are over 475,000 actual tablet apps available for the iPads. Android doesn't even begin to approach that. iOS apps are also widely considered to be of higher quality, often get first dibs to apps, and in many cases apps are exclusive to iOS.

Consider yourself lucky that the few Android apps you use on your tablet are actually tablet apps because that is still by far the biggest complaint I see from a Android tablet users. Actual tablet app selection for Android tablets is a well known and continuing problem.
  • The iPads almost always get first dibs on apps, and often exclusivity for many others
  • The best updates and support, whereas with most Android tablets you hope for support in the future
  • With Android tablets you have to hope an app will work on your particular Android tablet
  • Many Android tablet apps are actually just phone apps stretched to fit a tablet display whereas all the 475,000 iPad apps are *actual tablet apps* designed for the iPads
Again this just isn't my experience. I have an iPad also, and I know about the x2 button. But Android doesn't work this way.
LOL. Why would you choose to use an iPhone app on the iPad when there are over 475,000 actual tablet apps designed for the iPad? :)
  • By far (another understatement) the best third part accessories support for things like cases, external keyboards, etc, etc.
  • By far the best resale value
  • By far the best customer service and tech support in the industry
  • AirPlay, which allows one to send video and audio content from the web, apps, onboard videos, etc, etc, to an Apple TV for video and audio, an AirPort Express for remote speakers, and the many speakers, receivers and other audio equipment that support AirPlay. This feature is one of the best things about owning an iPad. For example, I can control (browse, select, play, pause, go forward, go back, stop, etc) and send to my Apple TV Netflix and Amazon video, practically any video displayed on a web, dedicated apps from say TV channels, videos that are downloaded or uploaded to my iPad, iTunes music in the Cloud, videos on my Mac, photos on my iPad, photos on my Mac, Pandora, iTunes Radio, MOG, etc,etc, music to my remote AirPlay speakers, etc, etc, etc. The many ways to control, listen to and view video and audio content through AirPlay and an iPad are many.
I didn't even read all the way through this.
Yet you are still going to try and comment on it?
It looks like a bunch of stuff that you can also do with an Android tablet.
See.
I can stream video, Netflix etc. from an android tablet. Plus use it as a universal remote. Connect it to my car stereo and control Pandora or streaming music from the dash. Google has tons of cloud services. etc. etc.
Sorry buddy, but you simply can't compare Apple's beautifully implemented and powerful AirPlay to the fragmented, limited, and poorly implemented efforts to stream content from an Android devices. Even most Android users praise AirPlay. Google is only recently trying to establish something similar with their Chromecast device, which typically for Google products is unfinished. They obviously didn't learn their lesson with the Nexus Q.
It seems to me you don't know much about the capabilities of Android tablets.
I know them quite well. Feel free to reasonably and specifically dispute anything I have said about them.
Sure the iPad is a great device for a lot of people. But it's not the clear winner for everybody by any stretch.
Where did I say the iPad is "for everyone?" I have only said that overall they are clearly the best tablets on the market.
Those are the main reasons why I use and recommend the iPad. The iPad mini Retina is also an excellent choice if you want a smaller tablet. It is now on sale, in America at least.
I also recommend the iPad to many people. But I also recommend Android tablets to some people. And even the Surface Pro for people that want to get rid of their laptop altogether. None of them are a "best for everyone".
You need to read my comments more carefully.
 
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2) The lack of an SD card reader is very irritating and I can see this being a deal clincher for many people. It isnt a problem for me because I wifi my photos to my ipad via a wifi card.
Apple sells SD card readers for iPads, as "Camera Connection Kit" devices. You plug them into the Dock or Lightning connector port. However, the software support for the card readers only allows one use: importing photos from the card to the iPad.

So you can't, say, use SD cards to offload albums and movies. Nor can you use the iPad as a card duplicator ("copy first SD card's contents to iPad's flash", "change cards", "dump data back out"). But it is inaccurate to say that there is no SD card support at all.
 
2) The lack of an SD card reader is very irritating and I can see this being a deal clincher for many people. It isnt a problem for me because I wifi my photos to my ipad via a wifi card.
Apple sells SD card readers for iPads, as "Camera Connection Kit" devices. You plug them into the Dock or Lightning connector port. However, the software support for the card readers only allows one use: importing photos from the card to the iPad.

So you can't, say, use SD cards to offload albums and movies. Nor can you use the iPad as a card duplicator ("copy first SD card's contents to iPad's flash", "change cards", "dump data back out"). But it is inaccurate to say that there is no SD card support at all.
No you are right. You can quite easily buy a toggle that you can read an SD card. Still the SD card reader doesnt let you import jpeg from a jpg + RAW shoot (as far as I know) and it is both jpeg + RAW or nothing. Furthermore it imports to the camera roll which is pretty limiting. And (although this might have changed with the Ipad Air) you have to delete each photo from the camera roll 'virtually' independently (or plug it into your computer). As I import at least an average of 50 photos a day this is pretty irritating. Luckily all this rubbish can be circumvented via a wifi card.
 
Smaller than 7 inch isn't very usable. It's great having a smartphone, its great having a computer in your pocket that is stuffed with all types of sensors and ways to connect to different devices, but it isn't the best experience. The larger ipads and tablets are too large and heavy. It's the middle that works.

Our first steps into mobile computing were with smartphones. I'm on my second smartphone, and my wife is on her third. It's great, but in trying to accomplish some things in more detail, the small size just gets in the way. It's great for getting quick data, gps, weather, tides, sunset sunrise times, restaurants, movies, things to do, finding gas, playing music, ..., but it's not great for digging for information.

The second step was buying an iPad Retina. We wanted larger thinking this would give us a better experience when wanting to get more detailed information about things. Using the iPad has not been all that great, though. It's too large and heavy to hold in your hands for as long as you probably want to. You'll be looking to put it on your knee, lap, a chair arm, better yet a table, after a short time with it in your hands. It's the torque of the larger device as well as the weight. The extra screen space hasn't really been enough to overcome this.

The third step we sort of got into sideways. I bought my mom a 7 inch Android tablet and got to use it before I gave it to her, setting it up, and playing around with it, so that I could answer her questions. About that same time I bought my sister one as well. Playing with the two 7 inch tablets impressed me enough that I wanted one. I now have one, and I've bought three others for Christmas gifts. We have also bought an ipad mini for my wife's mother. Her sister and niece, are also using Apple products, so it made more sense to set her mom up with Apple as well. Really it's all about grandma being able to talk to the niece via Facetime. The niece had to buy a iPad 2 as a requirement for school, but now wants a itouch as the ipad is again, too large. Fine for home on her desk, just not for dragging around. She'll probably be happy with the itouch for a while and then at some point we'll get her a mini.

Mostly I don't like to work on photos when I'm traveling. My wife and I usually are spending 14 hours out of the hotel room, going and doing, so by the time we get back to the hotel room, I just want to charge batteries, backup photos, shower, and go to bed. I like to leave a set of backup cards in the hotel room when out an about. When we are actually traveling place to place, I keep the second copy in my pocket, so that if my bag gets stolen, I might at least save the cards in my pocket. I really should make a third set and ask my wife to carry a set. I just bought a couple of 64Gb cards, to go with the two 32Gb cards I normally use for backup, so that's an option now.

I have one 64 micro SD in my tablet and I'm planning on getting a second for my phone. I've thought about using them as a way to mail out my photos as well. A micro SD card mailed in a birthday card, should provide another option to add some redundancy. I wouldn't buy another set of micro SD cards for this, but having the option to pull them out of my tablet or phone would be fine.

To make back up with the tablets and phones easy, Android or Apple, I bought a Kingston Mobilelite. It's a wireless bridge with storage capabilities. It has a SD card slot and a USB 2.0 interface for connecting external media. It has a battery you can use when not around power, but I just use it plugged in at the hotel. The power connector for the Mobilelite is the same mini USB that my phone charger uses. The battery can be used to charge your cell phone though, so it's still useful.

Since the unit has its own wifi network, an external network isn't needed to use the device. When one is available, you can bridge the Mobilelite to it, so that you can still use your tablet or phone through wifi to connect to the internet when it is connected to the Mobilelite. This also lets you send a file directly from a card to a remote site without having to transfer the photo to your tablet or phone first. I don't really use this ,as the device lets you start a directory copy, and then disconnect your device without having to wait for the copy to finish. I just find connecting my phone or tablet directly to the external network after disconnecting simpler to use. From this you can guess I don't normally post files either, so don't use that functionality on a regular basis.

Thank you
Russell
 
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