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If it's a richer menu that we're waiting for, then I'm READY TO EAT!! :-))
JoeSchmoe said:
Ditto with my wonderful wife, and ditto with the guilt I would
feel. On the bright side, if we hold out long enough, the
successor to the 10D probably will come out, as well as one or two
competitors (not to mention the successor (or two) to the 717).
Then we'll have a richer menu to choose from!
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Ulysses
 
I told that story for the good of all humankind, that they would not make the mistakes that I made. Hopefully someone will learn from my story. :-)
Steven said:
That is a great story. I still have my 707 so I am still a Sony fan.
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The only feature I think the 7x7 is worth keeping around for is nightframing. That, while gimmicky, is still one of the coolest things I've seen on a digicam! But, in reality, it rarely gets used, so I haven't missed it even one time.

To address your concerns:
  • live preview - SLR/TTL optical view finder works incredibly well, there is no substitution. You can actually look through the VF and manually focus, and it isn't even painful. An LCD VF will never even come close.
  • live histogram - well, you can't get this. But, the camera is SOOOO much quicker than your 7x7 that it's easy enough to take a shot, peek down at the LCD to check your histo, and then adjust and reshoot if necessary.
  • movie mode - well, I just don't care about this personally.
I still have my 707. When I first ordered my 10D I decided I'd keep the 707. But honestly, I haven't even looked at it, let alone turned it on since the 10D arrived. I'd bet most 10D'rs have similar experience..

And of course, I miss STF.

--Steve
 
a SPOT meter. The 10D has a "very fat spot", but I've found it hard to adjust. I was VERY accustomed to zoning my scene using my 707 spot meter. Just takes a little more practice. Very serious shooters should consider getting a standalone spot meter.

To me, it's the ONE feature the 10D missed; considering it's price point, target market, etc. Oh well, I LOVE the rest of this camera.

--Steve
 
The 717 is a nice cam too for $600 it can't be beat......and is on par with the g3

Unless you plan to spend at least $3K........then don't think about a 10d...........because you need quality glass that is expensive

......and waiting can reap $100 per month in reduced prices over time.......target for $2000 in a year.......heck target for $1500 in two years.

Enjoy the 717..........unless you have cash to earn......or burn.......

MAC
Cara Davis Conomos said:
Thank you for sharing and I won't tell anyone.

But come on - how was the camera?!?!?! I can't tell you how bad I
want one. I'm not sure I can't articulate WHY I want one. I just
do. Maybe because right now I don't think it's possible.

Thanks for confiding in me - I feel special! ;-)

PS - So when I go into best buy I need my own lens? I have a CF
card - but it's only a 64. Will I be able to fit any pictures on
it?
Ulysses said:
I'm only reporting this to YOU. Don't tell anyone. Are you sitting
down?

Okay, so I went into BB yesterday. I noticed that they had a 10D
under the glass display case along with several other
'conventional' SLR cameras and lenses. I asked the rep "if I came
into the store later with another photographer would we be able to
take a look at the 10D and put a lens on it to shoot some samples?"
He said sure.

So later that evening, I asked Shay if he wanted to take a jaunt
over to BB to have a look at the 10D. He was intrigued. So off we
went.

We got there, saw a rep and asked for the camera. He opened up the
case and asked if we'd like to give one of the lenses a spin, too.
With confidence, we said "Let's have a look at the 28-135 Canon
lens." I pulled out my own 512MB CF card to take some test shots
and loaded it into the 10D.

The agony and ecstasy began now. Emphasis on AGONY.

The screen was blank, and I realized I didn't know how to turn the
camera On.

I finally found a button that said On/Off, and so I flipped it.
Nothing came up on the LCD. I saw a second button that said On/Off
and flipped it. Nothing. What's with this crazy camera?? Dead
battery?

Shay leaned over to me and whispered, "Remember, it doesn't have
the LIVE PREVIEW..." Ohhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhh!!! Totally forgot about
that.

So I placed the camera up to my head and looked through the
viewfinder, ready for that picture-window view of the outside
world. . . but . . . NOTHING. Doggone it! What's the matter with
this stupid camera????

I then SLOWWWWWLY pulled the camera down from my face, as if I was
studying the features and buttons, carefully glancing sideways to
see if the rep was laughing at me. He wasn't, thank goodness.
Meanwhile, I returned my attention to the object of my frustration.
And then it hit me: I had the crazy lenscap still ON THE CAMERA.
I'm not accustomed to lenscaps, you see. So I removed that.

NOWWWWW I was ready to take pictures. So I snapped a few. I was
able to move around the menus pretty good. Very much like my G3 in
many ways. I have other observations, but I'll save those for
another thread. Let's get back to my suffering, first.

You see, it wasn't over.

The penultimate blow came when I started to finish up my session. I
asked Shay if he wanted to take another last look (he'd already
taken a test shot). He was done, and so I handed the camera back to
the rep.

Shay whispered to me, "Do you want to get your memory card out of
the camera?"

OHHHHHHH YEAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

The 10D left me a bruised and utterly battered man. It was
horrible, Cara. Just horrible.
Cara Davis Conomos said:
Uly - I'm dying to know what happened!
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MAC
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Kenhy,

I have had the opportunity to hold both a shoulder launch anti-tank rocket launcher and a Canon 500mm lens. I think its a stretch to say that a rocket launcher and the lens weighs the same. The rocket launcher doesn't even come close to being as heavy as the 500mm lens. :)
Kenny G said:
If you think the Sony is a big camera, stick a 50-500mm lens on the front > of the Canon and its more like a missile launcher and about the same > weight.
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John
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In regard to angled shots, the 10D, just like film based SRL cameras, can be fitted with an angled finder. It isn't as nice as is my 707, but gives you the option to make those difficult shots. As to the question on making macro shots with the 10D: it all depends on the lens you are going to get. The 28-135 IS and 75-300 IS, are both reasonably priced lenses, and both are capable of good macro pictures.
Ulysses said:
Send him to look at the big-screen TVs, and you'll probably be good
for about an hour. :-)
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Member said:
Uh-oh... you were somewhere on Broadway and tried to do a candid,
didnt you? :-)

There are a lot of shots that I think would be plain tougher to do
without some sort of swivel. That does bug me. A lot. I'd really
have to get over that.

I'm not sure that Shay likes it either. No, I'm sure he doesn't
like that. But for some types of event photography, there's no
arguing the advantages.

I'm curious. After looking at some of the galleries of the Sigma
SD9, and knowing that they are continuing with the platform and
accessorizing for it, have you considered it as an option?

They've recently updated the firmware, as well as the processing
software.

See the stunning (did I say STUNNING) galleries at:
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home

They're not ISO 1600 shots, but the quality... oh, the quality.

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Olivia
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Why, MAC, you sometimes surprise me! :-)

This is one of the most "real-world" posts I've seen from you where the dSLR is concerned. Folks have to understand the reality of what the costs of quality are going to be at this point in time, as well as the very real fact that cheaper dSLR cameras are coming. And better prosumer cameras are also on the way.
MAC said:
The 717 is a nice cam too for $600 it can't be beat......and is on
par with the g3

Unless you plan to spend at least $3K........then don't think about
a 10d...........because you need quality glass that is expensive

......and waiting can reap $100 per month in reduced prices over
time.......target for $2000 in a year.......heck target for $1500
in two years.

Enjoy the 717..........unless you have cash to earn......or
burn.......
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Ulysses
 
It seems to me that you folks love 10D most in the whole dpreview forum!

After read through all threads here,
Just want to remind some potential buyers base on my experience.
28-135 IS probably not the best lens to start with,

it becomes a 45-216 with 10D's 1.6x crop factor, you lost the wide angle side. (you will miss it)

a 24-85 is probably better(38-136 on 10D) if you want only one lens at the moment

otherwise, you will need a wide angle lens, may be 20-35, 17-40/L,19-35 from Tokina/Tamron or 15-30 from Sigma.

For macro lens, an alternative to Canon 100mm Macro is Tamron SP90 Macro
It is cheaper but it delivers very high quality images.

Also, you need 256 to 512 MB memory, each photos is around 2.5MB (JPEG Large Fine), or around 8MB if you use RAW+Large Fine JPEG

You may already know these, hope they help though

by the way, the 2 ON/OFF swtiches get on me too (a Canon user for 3 years......so, no need to feel bad)
 
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