A camera for the new 20-40mm

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Ok it will not win a prize for photo editing but the idea is there. I wonder why Pentax can’t see that this is the kind of thing ltd (and other) lens users would like. I was quite disappointed with the recent Nikon attempt. They made some lovely looking small film cameras but Nikons new camera looks a bit of a brick (just an opinion). Maybe one day.

PS I have no idea what the lever would do :-)



 

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Ok it will not win a prize for photo editing but the idea is there. I wonder why Pentax can’t see that this is the kind of thing ltd (and other) lens users would like. I was quite disappointed with the recent Nikon attempt. They made some lovely looking small film cameras but Nikons new camera looks a bit of a brick (just an opinion). Maybe one day.
I'm not exactly fond of the old interfaces applied to digital cameras, IMO they just don't work. In this case, the modern look with retro accents of the Limited clashes with the retro design of the camera.
PS I have no idea what the lever would do :-)
The one approximatively the "ME" inscription? That's the self timer.
Alex
 
I agree that Pentax should made a camera for the Ltd.

In the meantime the DA 20-40mm Ltd will be beautiful on my Black K-01 :)
 
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I meant what the lever would do on a digital camera.
Oh, the removed film advance lever? It could rearm the shutter/mirror, but in an AF camera I don't see much sense in doing that.

Alex
 
Quite good looking, but not the focal length range I would personally want on FF ... make it 40-85 or so and you've got a deal.
 
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I meant what the lever would do on a digital camera.
Oh, the removed film advance lever? It could rearm the shutter/mirror, but in an AF camera I don't see much sense in doing that.

Alex
This just shows how poor language is at communicating ideas. I knew what the lever on the front was for but as I didn’t edit it out, I wondered what it could be for on a digital camera, maybe live view switch.
 
Quite good looking, but not the focal length range I would personally want on FF ... make it 40-85 or so and you've got a deal.
Actually I was still thinking of an APS-c, so 30-60mm. I don't really need a full frame.
On an APS-C for my taste it's a good range and for what i shoot a 20-40mm/ 2.8-4 is more than enough since i will use it probably mostly from f/8-16.

On my Canon T3i i use mostly the Canon EF-s 15-85mm/3.5-5.6
 
I could not agree more.

DA Limiteds simply beg for a different and lighter DSLR approach.

When thinking that to use lenses as small and light as DA limiteds I must lug around a 800g heavy clunky DSLR around my neck, I feel Pentax didn't quite get what is needed in the world that increasingly find love for Fuji X series of cameras and the likes.

I do hope that after the K-01 fiasco, as acknowledged by Ricoh Imaging Russia, Ricoh Imaging Japan will come to their senses.

An APS-C sensored camera would be perfect, to keep the overall size close to an old ME or MX.

Ok it will not win a prize for photo editing but the idea is there. I wonder why Pentax can’t see that this is the kind of thing ltd (and other) lens users would like. I was quite disappointed with the recent Nikon attempt. They made some lovely looking small film cameras but Nikons new camera looks a bit of a brick (just an opinion). Maybe one day.

PS I have no idea what the lever would do :-)

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Well, I'm looking forward to seeing how it looks on my K-01.
 
I could not agree more.

DA Limiteds simply beg for a different and lighter DSLR approach.
Pentax makes the smallest enthusiast DSLRs and you're still not happy? There's a physical limit to how small digital cameras can be. The K-mount requires a certain flange distance, then there's the sensor and the screen.

They can only make cameras as small as the ME if they went mirrorless, which would require new lenses. And they can only mimic the ME's simple lay-out if the lenses had an aperture ring, which the DA ltds don't have.

Keep it realistic.
 
I meant what the lever would do on a digital camera.
Oh, the removed film advance lever? It could rearm the shutter/mirror, but in an AF camera I don't see much sense in doing that.

Alex
This just shows how poor language is at communicating ideas. I knew what the lever on the front was for but as I didn’t edit it out, I wondered what it could be for on a digital camera, maybe live view switch.
Sorry, I was also jumping to conclusions, instead of simply asking for more details.

Alex
 
And they can only mimic the ME's simple lay-out if the lenses had an aperture ring, which the DA ltds don't have.
I don't see why there could not be a large control ring wrapped right around the lens mount, with aperture click-stops on it. It would just need to skim past the corners of the mirrorbox and the lens release. Then the lens goes right onto the front of that, keeping its K-mount registration. With an Auto position on the aperture control.

The shutter speed dial moves from the top plate onto the back dial, and that has a Auto position too, as well as B and X.

The front dial toggles between EV comp and ISO. There's an Auto option on the ISO scale.

So that's all current exposure modes covered. Of course, the user can switch the functions of the dials. Top plate readout is essential as well as in the viewfinder.
Keep it realistic.
Ricoh need to be creative here, but without copying specifics just for the sake of it. What's important is the same stripped-down approach that those cameras had, with primacy given to the tactile and kinaesthetic way the camera is used.

Of course, cameras like the MX were built down to a budget as well as to mechanical constraints that are very different to the current design challenge. But that was not a question of how many features they could bolt on - rather: of what features they could be sure to integrate robustly, and usefully, that would quickly become transparent to the user.

And IMO that's the spirit that any new Limited body should aim for. A pastiche, however charming, will completely miss the point.
 
The 20-40 Ltd is perfect for the K-01. I also use the FA 20-35/4, which is about the same size and light, and full frame. Very sharp. Hood is a big large vs the ltd, however.
 
I looked at the ME and it felt all wrong.

Then I saw that it was edited to get some digital features and also to remove the film lever.

But --- what really made me feel it to be totally wrong was the frame counter. It was not removed. Scary stuff!
 
I meant what the lever would do on a digital camera.
Looks perfect for a combined mirror lock up and viewfinder shutter... and (if you insist) Live view switch.
 
I agree that the lens makes a lot of sense for APS-C, and would make an ideal kit lens for a nifty small camera.
 

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