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JulesJ said:
quadrox said:
Those people sound like real jerks, not friends.
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Interesting how agro people on this forum are.
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Strange...you can take him to task for being "agro", yet you apparently think it is perfectly fine for people to arrogantly DEMAND the OP post photos immediately, and moreover tell him what photos he should be posting? And to be quite angry with him because he didn't drop everything he was doing, in order to get the pics posted faster? Real friends don't treat other like that.

I'm with quadrox. Friends like those, I don't need. I'll stick with the ones who treat me with respect, and thank me when I try to do something nice for them.

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Tom
 
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As long as you were taking the pictures for yourself no one has any right to be demanding anything from you. Ignore them.

In the future don't even offer your pictures to people that will not respect your property. Ignore the selfish and childish young people in this thread criticizing you. They are from the entitlement generation and they think they have a right to anything that exists.
 
Joseph T Lewis III said:
JulesJ said:
quadrox said:
Those people sound like real jerks, not friends.
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Interesting how agro people on this forum are.
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Strange...you can take him to task for being "agro", yet you apparently think it is perfectly fine for people to arrogantly DEMAND the OP post photos immediately, and moreover tell him what photos he should be posting? And to be quite angry with him because he didn't drop everything he was doing, in order to get the pics posted faster? Real friends don't treat other like that.

I'm with quadrox. Friends like those, I don't need. I'll stick with the ones who treat me with respect, and thank me when I try to do something nice for them.
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frank-in-toronto said:
fun event photos have no value to the participants past a couple of days. your workflow should allow u to plough thru a couple hundred photos, culling the bad, doing a quick pp on all the rest and publishing to a site in short order. shoot raw+jpg with auto-wb and vivid, and just give them the jpgs. work on a few raws at your leisure. using lightroom, u should be able to fly thru a couple hundred in an hour or less. i.e.: import,cull,rate,pp one and sync the rest, export.

they took time from the party to work with u, and yes, they are right to expect fb/instagram ready images real quick. the pics don't have to look great. just "good enough" for a memory.
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Although you bad grammar is difficult to read, I think I agree with you. Did they not teach you about Capital letters and spelling at school? This is not a phone text. Lazy writing.
 
Basalite said:
As long as you were taking the pictures for yourself no one has any right to be demanding anything from you. Ignore them.

In the future don't even offer your pictures to people that will not respect your property. Ignore the selfish and childish young people in this thread criticizing you. They are from the entitlement generation and they think they have a right to anything that exists.
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Scrooge, The Grinch, they did fine without friends.
 
Mike_PEAT said:
Basalite said:
As long as you were taking the pictures for yourself no one has any right to be demanding anything from you. Ignore them.

In the future don't even offer your pictures to people that will not respect your property. Ignore the selfish and childish young people in this thread criticizing you. They are from the entitlement generation and they think they have a right to anything that exists.
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Scrooge, The Grinch, they did fine without friends.
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Nonsense. Those types of people are not real friends. They are selfish, inconsiderate spoiled brats that think they are entitled to everything that exists. They need to grow up and learn some manners.
 
druzilla3 said:
Hello all,

I recently went to a halloween party and took some photos of some of the freaks (my gf's friends) that were in attendance. I am kinda new to photography with a DSLR (Canon 70D) and used the opportunity of the party to take some photos. I really wanted to focus on getting good shots so I could bring them into photoshop and start learning how to edit photos well.

The day after the party there was a request for me to give the photos to everyone so that they could post to their stupid FB pages. I told them that I will be going through them and doing some adjustments before I post to my flickr page. They can then download them there and do whatever they want with them. This caused a huge sh*t storm because people could not get the photographs that I took immediately. I have a rather busy schedule and it was a week before I got to editing them by cropping, adding some sharpening masks etc.. I posted and now everyone is still mad because they want all of the photos posted rather than the ones that I deemed "flattering".
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Honestly, I would have taken the whole lot that I had shot, resized them for the web and uploaded them to whatever sharing site I used immediately. People don't care if they are getting perfect pictures in this situation, they want reminders of the fun they had, and they want the immediacy of digital.
druzilla3 said:
I do not take photos for money and am currently considering myself in the practice stage of my development, especially with enhancing photos in photoshop.

I feel upset that everyone was making demands on me and I know that if I just post them immediately I would probably not be as proactive with working on the photos in post.
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That isn't their problem, that is your problem.
druzilla3 said:
I also am feeling very anti instant with a skill that I want to develop.

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Is it wrong for me to feel this way about making my friends wait for photos?
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Frankly, yes, in this instance. I'm sure you were aware of how important it was for your friends to see these images as quickly as possible.
druzilla3 said:
Because I take their picture does that mean they can make demands about what I do with it? I am not using it to make $, nor am I just never giving it to them.
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People can demand anything. It's up to you to determine if you think their demands are reasonable based on what you may have led the to believe.
druzilla3 said:
How does the forum feel about this topic?
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I probably feel very different about it than most people.
druzilla3 said:
Also, sorry if you all have discussed this before.

-D
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There are 'friends' and there are 'Facebook friends'. Facebook and social media generally has bastardised the meaning of 'friends'.

These are just acquaintances who wish to share quick snaps. It is up to the OP whether he gives it to them or not and in which form. Personally I would have uploaded them all in low resolution and done whatever he chose to do with them privately or share the better ones later as he wished after processing. But that's just me. They are his images but we should all remember the context and that they are his images of the people who wish to see them.
 
Aberaeron said:
These are just acquaintances who wish to share quick snaps. It is up to the OP whether he gives it to them or not and in which form.
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But for the OP to waste time here complaining about it, instead of just quickly editing and posting them...we're talking about spending less than 5 minutes per image (at work I take about 2 minutes on average per image, and may edit 100 images a day).
 
druzilla3 said:
Is it wrong for me to feel this way about making my friends wait for photos?

Because I take their picture does that mean they can make demands about what I do with it? I am not using it to make $, nor am I just never giving it to them.

How does the forum feel about this topic?
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I don't think they have the right to demand a thing of you, but probably they are just anxious to have Halloween photos to post while it's still close enough to Halloween for the photos to be relevant. i.e. Christmas photos posted in February have lost some of their appeal. I can understand them wanting the photos sooner but not making a ".. storm" over it all.
 
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But I'm trying to get better.

The worst part is if I'm shooting RAW, and people want my pics right then and there. I try to explain that I have to 'develop' the raw files when I get home but all they hear is 'blah, blah' excuses. :)
 
That kills me. All that effort and they go and print 8x10" prints from a 1000x700 pixel image. Now I literally send 2 files, one to view and one to print, with instructions!
 
Who wants to look at Halloweeen pictures a week later? People wants to see and show off their costumes while the event is fesh. Not a week later, but NOW, while everyone else is showing theirs.

After 40 years in the news business I can tell you a day late is too late. How many people buy yesterday's newspaper, or want to rerun last night's TV news? Same thing with party pics.

It's one thing to ask someone to wait a week for a formal portrait, but timely event photos are another matter. You can tell them they have to wait, but don't be surprised if next time you want to make pictures you hear something like, "He took some nice pictures, but it took a week to get them. Don't bother with him."

Gato
 
druzilla3 said:
Hello all,

I recently went to a halloween party and took some photos of some of the freaks (my gf's friends) that were in attendance. I am kinda new to photography with a DSLR (Canon 70D) and used the opportunity of the party to take some photos. I really wanted to focus on getting good shots so I could bring them into photoshop and start learning how to edit photos well.

The day after the party there was a request for me to give the photos to everyone so that they could post to their stupid FB pages. I told them that I will be going through them and doing some adjustments before I post to my flickr page. They can then download them there and do whatever they want with them. This caused a huge sh*t storm because people could not get the photographs that I took immediately. I have a rather busy schedule and it was a week before I got to editing them by cropping, adding some sharpening masks etc.. I posted and now everyone is still mad because they want all of the photos posted rather than the ones that I deemed "flattering".

I do not take photos for money and am currently considering myself in the practice stage of my development, especially with enhancing photos in photoshop.

I feel upset that everyone was making demands on me and I know that if I just post them immediately I would probably not be as proactive with working on the photos in post.

I also am feeling very anti instant with a skill that I want to develop.

Question-

Is it wrong for me to feel this way about making my friends wait for photos?

Because I take their picture does that mean they can make demands about what I do with it? I am not using it to make $, nor am I just never giving it to them.

How does the forum feel about this topic?

Also, sorry if you all have discussed this before.

-D
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Of course the way you tell the story, does make it look like your friends are unreasonable.

But then, you start off by calling the "freak". And then this whole story of people supposedly not accepting any delay, wanting to see the originals - just not very credible. Oh and did I mention your excessive language, such as "sh*t storm"? Unless of course you did call them "freaks" too many times leading to a sour relationship?

Now back to an average situation: of course no reasonable crowd would expect any such pictures within 24 hours. At the same time, you do mention that it was a week before you could BEGIN with the editing - you don't say when you were done but perhaps it went for another week. Now TWO WEEKS would indeed feel too long.

Do you need to PP each shot? Hopefully you had the framing more or less OK, the focus more or less OK, and other parameters more or less OK on enough shot, that you should be able to at least have posted these.

Bottom-line:
- sounds like you perhaps have a bit of an attitude problem
- in any service business, or any non-paying work which might one day attract a fee, rule #1 is, treat the client well
 
I tend to wind up shooting at parties and events and I tend to deal with the photos in two goes.

The first is 'capturing the moment', a quick pass where I will get a quick collection of keepers. I try to make sure the narrative is more or less complete if there is one, and that I got a few decent pictures of all that attended or those that matter. Post processing is kept to a minimum, and I process the Raw files out to 3-5 mpixel jpegs. I'll typically post these the night of if I am sober, the next day if I partook in the merry making.

The second round is where I will take more care in my selection of keepers. Using a more critical eye and taking my time to process the files, and then converting to full rez jpegs. I'll post a link to the second set with the first and those that are interested in higher quality shots can pull those as they like.

When I am shooting at a party or event, I realize that some folks may curb there own desire to shoot thinking that with my bulkier equipment I am likelier to get good photos and they can grab mine. I also realize many of the folks who want the photos are looking for something which has captured the moment rather than great artwork, and likely would have been satisfied with phone shots. Since I may be crowding out others from taking photos (not intentionally), and quality is not of the utmost concern for many of the folks. I try to accommodate this, as well as my own desire for photos which have been processed with a bit of care, and some culling of bad shots.

Typically this works pretty well, and all parties are happy. Every once in a blue moon someone will ask me for all of my raw files (typically friends) and I'll host and post them when I get around to it. They are understanding because there are gigs of files, and the ones who ask for raw typically aren't looking for me to deliver instantly, and know they'll have some work ahead of them.
 
You really seem concerned about these people. So next time, shoot Raw and Jpeg, give them some jpeg to use for FB, and then take your time to make some better pics from Raw. When you post those, people will be jealous. If they still are not happy, tell them to get a dslr or other high end camera, and let them shoot themselves.
 
druzilla3 said:
Question-

Is it wrong for me to feel this way about making my friends wait for photos?

Because I take their picture does that mean they can make demands about what I do with it? I am not using it to make $, nor am I just never giving it to them.

How does the forum feel about this topic?

Also, sorry if you all have discussed this before.

-D
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I've been in this situation before...

It is possible that the other people in attendance did not bother to take pictures of their own because they assumed you'd get shots everything.

Sometimes people develop expectations when you show up to casual social events with a DSLR. From now on I make a point not to look like "the photographer" at casual events. You can't really do anything about people's expectations. Fighting it will only make people more frustrated with you.

Facebook is the norm. Your photos will end up there whether you like it or not. You may as well put them there yourself to make people less frustrated and so you can be sure the high quality option is checked.

I wouldn't bother fine tuning the photos with sharpening and such. Most people will be looking at them on tiny phone screens on Facebook, whose high compression will do a hack job on your photos anyway. Crop OOC JPEGs to center lines or rule of thirds and be done with it.

And in the future, never ever tell anyone that you aren't publishing every single photo you took :)
 
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I can relate to the original poster. You put yourself out there as being something of a "photographer," especially when you're toting a well-specified DSLR, & you feel like your photos have to meet a certain standard if your name is going to be on them. You want ANY photos "out there" attributable to you to have a certain grade of excellence to them. Thus, you don't want to rush anything out before you've had a chance to cull through & find the good ones, and do your usual magic to them (clone out pimples, correct awful white balance etc).

The trouble is, you are dealing with people who want it fast, and don't understand the value in having a photo that years from now you can still look at and laugh about, and with it being a better quality photograph, you will be glad you took the extra time to make it as excellent as possible.

That's one thing that upsets me--people that not only want the photograph NOW, but once it's been "consumed," it's worthless to them. I understand the desire to see photos soon after the event & that iis when they will excite you the most, but how great it is to be able to pull up PAST photos and look at them. Such reminds you of the journey of your life, of remembering when your 6 year old who is talking up a storm was once 1 and barely mumbling baby-talk.

It seems that photos anymore are becoming sort of like things like sporting events, once it's over it's over and you don't care to have anything to do with it anymore. The "expiration date" is VERY quick. That is, people are DYING to see the photos RIGHT NOW, and once they've been "consumed," they don't want to see them EVER again, it seems.

Not me: the value of photos is as much based on their long-term ability to remind you of your life experiences as it is being the "latest news" aspect when they are first produced. Knowing that, and especially when you sort of put yourself out there as being a "photographer," you want the photos to be the best they can be, even if it holds up publication a bit.

On a side note, I really don't get why people act like Facebook all but invented the ability to share a photo. I know of people who say they joined Facebook so they can see family photos, I'm like--you could've always viewed them on Flickr etc. Heck sites like Flickr and SmugMug etc are much better for hosting photos, they give you far more abilities. People's preferences & priorities really puzzle me sometimes.

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LRH
 
Aberaeron said:
There are 'friends' and there are 'Facebook friends'. Facebook and social media generally has bastardised the meaning of 'friends'.

These are just acquaintances who wish to share quick snaps. It is up to the OP whether he gives it to them or not and in which form. Personally I would have uploaded them all in low resolution and done whatever he chose to do with them privately or share the better ones later as he wished after processing. But that's just me.
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Aberaeron said:
They are his images but we should all remember the context and that they are his images of the people who wish to see them.
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That's right, "they are his images" and the "context" was him taking pictures for himself! He wasn't hired to take pictures and as far as I can see there was no understanding that he would be taking pictures for others. Doing as you suggest only enables such ridiculous behavior.
 
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