How Well do Crop Sensor Lenses Work On FF 99

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I am curious as to if or how ASPC A mount lenses on an A 99 , I have a Tokina 11-16 2.8 and a Tamron 60 2.0 1:1 Macro , Do you just select ASPC in the settings or just crop out any clipping ? I am sure the MP would be reduced .

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Thanks Bill
 
I am curious as to if or how ASPC A mount lenses on an A 99 , I have a Tokina 11-16 2.8 and a Tamron 60 2.0 1:1 Macro , Do you just select ASPC in the settings or just crop out any clipping ? I am sure the MP would be reduced .

Thanks
On page 55 of my A99 manual it says:

"When a DT lens is attached or (APS-C Size Capture) is set to [on] in the Setup menu, a live view image is displayed in full screen view on the LCD screen with the angle of view of the APS-C size. The live view image in the viewfinder is also displayed entirely and you can check the composition or effect using the whole screen."

The A99 automatically crops to APS-C size when it detects that a Sony APS-C lens has been attached. The cropped image size is 3936 x 2624 pixels (about 10.3 mp) instead of the full frame image size of 6000 pixels x 4000 pixels (about 24.3mp).

The maths involved in the reduction of the image size to 10.3mp are explained here:

http://www.robsphotography.co.nz/Sony-SLT-A77-A99.html

Cheers

Rob
 
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Thanks I bet that will be a clean 10.2 MP , Nice that the 99 does that automatically and being able to use that Tokina is a bonus , I would suspect that third party lenses will be treated with equality by the 99.
 
I think that you will find that the Tamron 60mm has an image circle much bigger than APS-C - in fact almost FF. & the A99 won't automatically select autocrop for it (although you can manually select crop mode).
 
Thanks I bet that will be a clean 10.2 MP , Nice that the 99 does that automatically and being able to use that Tokina is a bonus , I would suspect that third party lenses will be treated with equality by the 99.
Third party APS-C lenses will NOT trigger the AUTO crop, unless they have the full Sony lens code in them which is unheard of so far. This gives you the choice of cropping via the menu item resulting in the EVF showing you a fully filled EVF without dark edges, or not cropping while you shoot to get the most out of the respective lens' image circle. Some of the 'crop' lenses actually have a quite large image circle, so you might get more than you expect and then can crop yourself in post.

Cheers,
Ralf
 
Thanks I bet that will be a clean 10.2 MP , Nice that the 99 does that automatically and being able to use that Tokina is a bonus , I would suspect that third party lenses will be treated with equality by the 99.
Yes, it is a clean cropped 10.3mp image.

I think a crop lens (such as the Sony 18mm-250mm) is quite useful to use on a FF camera when it is not convenient to change lenses often.

OK, the image quality with the Sony 18-250mm lens on the A99 is obviously not as good as using, for example, the CZ 24mm-70mm full frame lens, but it's certainly quite reasonable!

Using a crop lens on the new 36mp FF Sony A7R would give a 15.5mp image as explained here:

http://www.robsphotography.co.nz/Sony-SLT-A77-A7R.html

So, when image size is important, this is a good improvement on the 10.3mp cropped image you get when using a crop lens on the A99.

But, if you want to gain extra reach I would rather crop an image taken with a full frame lens on a full frame camera, than use a crop lens on a full frame camera!

Cheers

Rob
 
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Thanks I bet that will be a clean 10.2 MP , Nice that the 99 does that automatically and being able to use that Tokina is a bonus , I would suspect that third party lenses will be treated with equality by the 99.
The Tokina 11-16mm 2.8 is an interesting animal on the A99 as at 16mm it works perfectly on the full frame sensor but then you get a vignetting effect as you dial toward 11mm if you are in FF and not Crop Sensor mode. Here are two shots I took this weekend one at 16mm and the next at 11mm. These are real life examples of higher ISO usage as well as they are 3200 and 5000 ISO respectively.

Tokina 11-16mm at 16mm 3200 ISO on an A99
Tokina 11-16mm at 16mm 3200 ISO on an A99

Tokina 11-16mm at 11mm 5000 ISO on an A99
Tokina 11-16mm at 11mm 5000 ISO on an A99
 
That is very Cool Gary and interesting shot and Architecture in location , I see you have several Minolta lenses how is the 28-135 , I never used that much on my 77 for was not quite wide enough on a crop sensor body , And thanks for the input on the Tokina that is good to know .

Should be fun experimenting thanks to all for posting up.
 
That is very Cool Gary and interesting shot and Architecture in location , I see you have several Minolta lenses how is the 28-135 , I never used that much on my 77 for was not quite wide enough on a crop sensor body
The 28-135 f4 really comes into its own on a full frame and is my main 'on the camera' lens when I head out. I agree about that the effective 42mm max width on a crop sensor was never quite wide enough but the true 28mm is just right much of the time and I keep my pocket size 20mm 2.8 handy for a quick swap when I need more. I am always amazed at the sharpness this lens produces on the A99 sensor. It really does seem to be a 'G' lens that was never labeled as such. It was the only non-G that was made in the 'G' lens facility I understand.
 
Good to know , I hope to have the Kit tomorrow and dusting off the FF lenses , I am lacking a super Wide FF Prime so the Minolta 24 2.8 is as low as I can go but can fall back on the Tokina but hardly pocket size do you have the old Minolta 20 ? What is that place where the Band is playing the layout is interesting and the Carved wood Banisters are very cool.
 
Thanks for those links Rob some good reading there and like your site , I wondered about crop factor in comparison to crop sensor and how all that is established . NZ is on my Bucket list for several reasons.
 
I have an a99, and the 16-50/2.8 (crop lens). When I use them together, the a99 automatically goes into crop mode. The EVF and LCD "zoom in" (in effect) and you see what you would on an APS camera. The AF points are enlarged and spread out more (technically they are in the same place but relative to the crop it appears more spread out.). There is no option to turn off the crop mode, at least with that lens. Overall, it works exactly as you would expect, the camera simply changes itself into an APS camera. The file size of the RAWs or JPGs will be smaller, since the megapixel count is less. You buffer can hold more of the smaller files, if you are doing a lot of bursty shooting.

I have also switched to crop mode with full frame lenses attached, this also works as expected, the a99 turns into a 10.3Mp APS camera. With a FF lens you can turn the crop mode on and off.

When I put the Samyang 8mm fisheye on (which is marketed as an APS lens) I can choose to crop or not, since the lens in unchipped and the camera does not know it is a crop lens. With this lens, I get a slightly chopped circle, which is quite usable (more than "quite," I use it this way all the time!). My best guess is non-Sony lenses will give you the option, and only Sony lenses in the camera's internal DB will do the mandatory auto-crop. My experience with the Samyang leads me to believe that many crop lenses have useful content outside their stated use, but of course every lens will vary. Some might show soft and dark corners but otherwise be useful, some might clip pretty hard just outside the APS range.
 
Yes, I do have the classic Minolta 20mm 2.8. It is a really sweet gem of a lens that gets a lot of use on both my cameras (A99 & A57). I enjoy shooting a lot with the Minolta classic primes.

The band (of which I happen to be an alumni banjo player) is the Anvil Blasters who were playing at the gorgeous Lodge at Suttle Lake in Central Oregon for a fundraiser for the Brain Injury Alliiance and Jenna's Law, recently passed in Oregon to protect young athletes from repetitive concussion injuries and named for Jenna Sneva, daughter of the Lodge owner. A very worthy event this past weekend.
 
Thanks I bet that will be a clean 10.2 MP , Nice that the 99 does that automatically and being able to use that Tokina is a bonus , I would suspect that third party lenses will be treated with equality by the 99.
Third party APS-C lenses will NOT trigger the AUTO crop, unless they have the full Sony lens code in them which is unheard of so far. This gives you the choice of cropping via the menu item resulting in the EVF showing you a fully filled EVF without dark edges, or not cropping while you shoot to get the most out of the respective lens' image circle. Some of the 'crop' lenses actually have a quite large image circle, so you might get more than you expect and then can crop yourself in post.

Cheers,
Ralf
I once had a Tamron 11-18. It triggered the auto crop mode on my A850. I think this lens uses the same code as the Sony (and Minolta) 11-18. My guess is that Tamron lenses re-badged for Sony will trigger the auto crop mode.
 
Thanks I bet that will be a clean 10.2 MP , Nice that the 99 does that automatically and being able to use that Tokina is a bonus , I would suspect that third party lenses will be treated with equality by the 99.
Third party APS-C lenses will NOT trigger the AUTO crop, unless they have the full Sony lens code in them which is unheard of so far.

Cheers,

Ralf
I once had a Tamron 11-18. It triggered the auto crop mode on my A850. I think this lens uses the same code as the Sony (and Minolta) 11-18. My guess is that Tamron lenses re-badged for Sony will trigger the auto crop mode.
Thanks, good point! A far as I know, the other Tamron lens re-badged as Sony is the 18-250. So that would very likely trigger the AUTO crop, too. My Tamron 17-50/2.8 does not, and there is no re-badged Sony version of it.


Cheers,
Ralf
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Thanks for those links Rob some good reading there and like your site , I wondered about crop factor in comparison to crop sensor and how all that is established . NZ is on my Bucket list for several reasons.
Thanks Bob, yes NZ is a great place for photographers to visit!

For stills on the A99, I use the CZ24mm-70mm lens or the Sony 70mm-300mm G lens, both of which are good FF lenses.

But neither of these lenses is all that suitable for video if you want to be able to record both wide angle and telephoto scenes in the same video clip.

To overcome this problem, I sometimes use the Sony 18mm-250mm (crop) lens on the Sony A99 for taking video and this has produced reasonable results.

But, I still think a dedicated camcorder is better when you are filming a lot of video! The 29-minute 59 seconds time limit on video with the A55 etc. can be irksome at times.

Also, my A55 always heats up within 10 minutes when taking video and then stops altogether (even when "steady shot" is turned off)! Perhaps a camera with a smaller sensor, such as the new Sony RX10 would be better and mightn't heat upas much as larger sensors?

I would be interested to know whether other photographers use crop lenses on the A99 for taking video and whether they are happy with the results.

Cheers

Rob
 
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Also, my A55 always heats up within 10 minutes when taking video and then stops altogether (even when "steady shot" is turned off)! Perhaps a camera with a smaller sensor, such as the new Sony RX10 would be better and mightn't heat upas much as larger sensors?
I don't think the overheating during shooting is related to sensor size, but rather just inadequate heatsink design in the a55 specifically. The a57, a58, etc. have the same size sensor, yet reportedly no longer suffer from this, and the a99 with its larger sensor doesn't either.

In fact, from an engineering standpoint, a smaller sensor is more likely to have heat problems than a larger one, assuming the same # of pixels and processing going on, simply because the heat needs to be distributed out of a smaller (more like a 'point source') initial location. Same amount of heat in a smaller location = higher absolute temp.

They just didn't really think thru the sensor heating (even during still shots) of the always-on SLT live-view sensor as well as they could have for that first generation (a55 and a33). That said, I still shoot with my a55 as well as my a99, and love the images it creates. Its just part of the limitations of the tool (like the idiotic black viewfinder with non-TTL flashes, which unlike later SLTs cannot be turned off with a menu "Setting Effect - OFF" option. <grump> )

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