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Rüdiger123933
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This link
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/nij-01.06.03-000/
says, that it has a 5 MPix Sensor and will cost 730 Euro.
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Rüdiger
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Rüdiger
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/nij-01.06.03-000/
says, that it has a 5 MPix Sensor and will cost 730 Euro.
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Capital Man
Senior Member
That's pretty amazingly cheap. Why would anyone want to buy a camera like a Sony F717 or a Canon G3 when for the same price you can get real SLR with a sensor 4 times the size?
Jorgen Bergfors
Leading Member
Well, the 730 euro will certainly not include the lens. So the cost will still be several hundreds higher than a G3 or F717
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Duke Skytalker
Member
From: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/nij-01.06.03-000/
Unfortunately, Nikkei did not disclose any more information than what we have already been told by Olympus.
D.S.
I think we must pay attention to the indefinite article “Eine” at the beginning of this sentence. Because the article in Nihon Keizai Shinbun (May 31 morning edition) mentioned 2 types of 4/3 DSLR camera: one of which will be priced at less than 200,000 yen (about 1,424 Euro), the other less than 100,000 yen (about 712 Euro)-----though it is only the former type that will be on the market in October this fall.
Unfortunately, Nikkei did not disclose any more information than what we have already been told by Olympus.
D.S.
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Jay
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Either way, the market is very primed in a shift for what people can expect to get for their money in the sub $1k category. I think the big thing in the future will be a fight between true SLRs and EFVs in this market. Each has it's +'s and -'s but I think most people would opt for the SLR given the current state of technology. This is then going to push EVF backers to improve the technology with higher resolution and improved response to make it a truly respectable technology. Then things ought to get really interesting 
Leon Wittwer
Forum Pro
Jay, If you count the cost of good glass, DSLRs won't be in the $1k category for some time. The available glass is one of the things that distinguishes the DSLR. Leon
Either way, the market is very primed in a shift for what people
can expect to get for their money in the sub $1k category. I think
the big thing in the future will be a fight between true SLRs and
EFVs in this market. Each has it's +'s and -'s but I think most
people would opt for the SLR given the current state of technology.
This is then going to push EVF backers to improve the technology
with higher resolution and improved response to make it a truly
respectable technology. Then things ought to get really
interesting
Capital Man
Senior Member
That's a PLUS for the 4/3 system. Because it's a standard, you can be assured that money invested in glass now will be good for future cameras.
But when you buy Canon, you are buying glass designed for a 35mm system that will probably soon be obsolete when Canon starts releasing glass optimized for digital cameras (like Nikon recently did).
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Jay
Guest
Well, someone pointed out a while back that at least with SLRs your not buying new glass everytime you upgrade your camera. An investment in glass is lasting for the most part. Everytime you buy a new consumer digicam your buying new glass.
Either way, the market is very primed in a shift for what people
can expect to get for their money in the sub $1k category. I think
the big thing in the future will be a fight between true SLRs and
EFVs in this market. Each has it's +'s and -'s but I think most
people would opt for the SLR given the current state of technology.
This is then going to push EVF backers to improve the technology
with higher resolution and improved response to make it a truly
respectable technology. Then things ought to get really
interesting
Joseph S Wisniewski
Forum Pro
Only one of my 25 lenses could be considered to have been made obsolete by the 12-24mm DX, and that's the 14mm ultrawide. The 20mm wide is still a fantastic lens that's 1/3 the weight and 1/2 the size of the 12-24 zoom. None of the normals, macros, and telephotos are affected by "optimized" digital designs at all.
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Leon Wittwer
Forum Pro
I hope so but I would say that the 4/3 system has an uphill climb. Cleary it has potential but that alone does not a success make. The first camera body has to be pretty good with good glass and there must be at least one upgrade per year to fix and improve things. That means deep pockets for Oly, Kodak and others involved.
I doubt that 35 mm will be obsolete for a long time, if ever. 35 mm is already here with good equipment and it is the challengers that must push 35 mm off the top of the mountain. It will be interesting to see if Canon goes the so called "optimized glass." If they can bring down the price of full frame cameras that can use the full potential of older 35 mm glass, there may not be much motivation for a new line of lenses for the old mounts. You might end up with three tiers: 35 mm full frame, 4/3 system and consumer (non-interchangeable lens) cameras. Fasten your seat belt.
going_digital
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Not sure Canon will do anything in the "optimized" glass area. 1) They have not made any announcements, 2) If they do announce, it will be some time to bring the first one to market. 3) Nikon has announced just one, and it has taken some time to get to market, and right now the best Nikon says is that they don't have "plans" to go full frame.
If Canon finally does announce such a thing, it will be a race between them bringing full frame down in cost vs. building up a line of 20+ lens.
Also, 4/3 will only survive as long as somebody makes money. When Kodak/Oly lose money too long, they'll abandon it in a hearbeat.
If Canon finally does announce such a thing, it will be a race between them bringing full frame down in cost vs. building up a line of 20+ lens.
Also, 4/3 will only survive as long as somebody makes money. When Kodak/Oly lose money too long, they'll abandon it in a hearbeat.
Joseph S Wisniewski
Forum Pro
Which means absolutly nothing. As Brian Caldwall pointed out, Oly has patents on 4/3 system lenses that predate the announcements by 4 years, and the "Olydak" rumors by two years.
Again, you have no idea how close to market they may be with whatever they're simmering in their labs...
It's not an exclusive "choose only one path" situation. However low cost full frame gets, reduced frame can go lower. Once digital SLRs outsell film SLRs, the camera companies will stop developing all their mechanical systems (shutter and mirror mechanism, prism, screen, finder) around film, and we can have light, compact, quiet, low vibration, lower cost APS sized SLRs.
And they don't need to build up a "line of 20+ lenses". You need a much smaller number. Reduced frame size doesn't help "normal" or telephoto lenses at all in terms of size, weight, or cost. So just a few wide angle lenses optimized for the smaller frame is all you need. Nikon said they will be announcing 4 different DX lenses. That's probably plenty.
The 12-24mm, which is a counterpart to the popular 17-35mm size in film.
A 9mm ultrawide, corresponding to a 14mm in film.
A 14mm ultrawide, corresponding to a 20mm in film (14mm ultras exist for film, but they're very heavy, vulnerable, bug eyed things. A reduced coverage 14mm could be small, light, and take standard filters).
A 5mm fisheye (well, I can dream).
I give it 3 years.
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Jon Ragnarsson
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Joseph S. Wisniewski wrote:
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I agree with the second. Give it 3-4 years, and we will know if the 4/3 system is successful.
Random observation:
(DSLRs are HUGE! Played with the Kodak 14n and it felt like a medium format camera)
J.
http://jonr.beecee.org/gallery/
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3 years until they give up, or 3 years until we know if it is going to be a success?
I agree with the second. Give it 3-4 years, and we will know if the 4/3 system is successful.
Random observation:
(DSLRs are HUGE! Played with the Kodak 14n and it felt like a medium format camera)
J.
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win39
Veteran Member
Poor Olympus. I am a long time user of their wonderful OM4T SLR and some of the superb OM lenses. But this news is absurd. Olympus has been promising this camera for two years and some months. However they have implied that it is to be a professional system in sensor format it tried to talk the industry into adopting, ignoring the fact that the 6 MP sensors already in use were not that much bigger. They adopted the attitude that it was not possible to build a digital camera that would take passable pictures with existing system lenses again ignoring the success of Canon, Nikon and Fuji. Last time I could stomach to look at their web site a few months ago they were still maintaining the same fiction. In March they said the new SLR would be out in June. Apparently it will take them more months until October to figure out how to remove the lens of the E-20 and install a larger chip in the back. All the genius has left this company.
eshropshire
Senior Member
As one who works in the computer industry on several real standards, I can tell you it takes more than one to make a standard. Everyone loves to drag in Kodak, but Kodaks only contribution is to OEM sensors to Olympus. They have never made any commitment to build cameras. Fuji has made some small statements, actually all I have seen is their name on a press release.
The only company really doing anything is Olympus. They might as well. No SLR business to hurt. They were already driven from the business. No lens market to hurt.
They had a camera design they bought from Sony, and want to continue it into something else. Wow they dream up they new "standard", make a few statements as to why this is better than using a bigger sensor in a existing SLR design.
This maybe a standard, but it also could wind up being an Olympus only thing. Just remember this is a company that left all of its SLR customers out in the cold with no future.
I am not saying the 4/3rds system may not be good, but right now no one knows until the cameras become real.
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The only company really doing anything is Olympus. They might as well. No SLR business to hurt. They were already driven from the business. No lens market to hurt.
They had a camera design they bought from Sony, and want to continue it into something else. Wow they dream up they new "standard", make a few statements as to why this is better than using a bigger sensor in a existing SLR design.
This maybe a standard, but it also could wind up being an Olympus only thing. Just remember this is a company that left all of its SLR customers out in the cold with no future.
I am not saying the 4/3rds system may not be good, but right now no one knows until the cameras become real.
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Jay
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Well I'm not gonna pick on you about everything just your most GLARING error. Olympus did not buy the E-series design from Sony, rather the design, starting with the E-10 follows the same basic form as Olympus' IS series of 35mm film cameras beginining with the IS-1 in the late 80's. So....Olympus had this basic design more than a decade before Sony introduced the DSC-700 and if anything Sony was"inspired" by Olympus.
eshropshire
Senior Member
I guess that is why the Sony team now works for Olympus. I guess that is why the internals fo the two cameras are next to identical. Just look at the two internals - not just the prizim design. I guess that is why the lens is the same. Olympus backed it of from 28mm to 35mm to eliminate the barrel distortion. Inside the pro division of Sony this move was no secret.
Besides the fact that Olympus has a small R&D budget compared to most in the digital field. Japanese companies often work together, share designs, ect.
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Besides the fact that Olympus has a small R&D budget compared to most in the digital field. Japanese companies often work together, share designs, ect.
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digital_ray_of_light
Veteran Member
So Sony may be involved in this in "stealth" mode?
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