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Why I'm not getting an A7 any time soon... (w/Photos)

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captura said:
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A7r? Nothing missing on my list that is meaningful. Worth the wait.
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Not enough lenses
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It's a brand new system camera so I'm not expecting a completely line up of lenses on day one. No other maker facing the same situation has ever managed that feat, either.

Given the lenses available at launch, and the hundreds of non-native lenses that can be readily adapted for use on this camera, and the dozens of E mount APS-C lenses that can be used in crop mode, no, "not enough lenses" is not on my list.
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/ too expensive?
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Hardly. Consider the Sony A7r has essentially the same sensor implementation as the D800E yet costs ~ $700 less, "too expensive" isn't a characterization I would use.
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I won't argue with you on that. But I worry about Sony's lack of consistency. They have a history of starting new lines, then dropping them. Besides, what about all the poor folks who bought a lot of the X lenses and soon won't be able to use them on the FF cameras, except maybe in crop mode. 10 mp on the A7? For shame!
 
Ralic said:
I can`t see anything special about these photos sorry. So no, no need to upgrade. A better camera will not makes these kind of shots better... No offence, just honesty and maybe people will disagree.
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Agree about the quality of the shots, however without question they will look better if shot with either A7 and a FF lens.

Nex 7 produces images not a wit better than original Nex-3--in fact worse with many lenses. Most over-rated of all the Nexes.
 
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It is funny. When the 7 came out people just "HAD" to have it.

The same folks just "HAVE" to have the A7. I'll wait for the A8, it will be so much better;-)
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uhoh07 said:
Nex 7 produces images not a wit better than original Nex-3--in fact worse with many lenses. Most over-rated of all the Nexes.
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Wrong and unnecessary in this discussion.
 
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I won't argue with you on that. But I worry about Sony's lack of consistency. They have a history of starting new lines, then dropping them.
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I've not been interested at all in Sony camera products until more recent history. Years ago, I might have agreed with you. Today is not then.

With 29% (Japan) of the mirrorless interchangeable lens market share in Japan, and most (or all) of those cameras being NEX / E mount, and absolutely no evidence Sony has anything but growth plans for NEX-like cameras and E mount in both APS and full frame... I do not worry.

Sony by adopting E mount for the full frame Alpha mirrorless / non DSLT cameras has in fact given E mount the nod that it's here to stay. That's a powerful statement that should reassure all E mount camera owners, APS-C and full frame alike. Their intelligent adapter allowing Alpha lens owners to play in the pool is smart... and they keep updating / introducing new versions.

This smells like synergy and a long term game plan, not lack of consistency.
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Besides, what about all the poor folks who bought a lot of the X lenses and soon won't be able to use them on the FF cameras, except maybe in crop mode. 10 mp on the A7? For shame!
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X lenses? That's Fuji.

You mean E lenses, implying APS-C?

What's the big deal? IF Fuji or Oly bring out larger sensor cameras ever, they'll be in the same boat with an install base of APS-C or m4/3 lens owners. Nikon has the APS-C platform and DX lenses. No one there crys foul that there's a separate FX full size sensor line of cameras and lenses.

It feels like you are scraping the bottom of the complaint barrel today.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. If you owned a NEX camera then perhaps you would understand. (maybe you do.) The cancellation of the NEX name combined with a strong possibility of all APS-C rangefinder cameras has left a lot of us high and dry, with no apology or even a explanation from Sony for cancelling our chosen line of cameras. Would Canon, or Olympus, or Panasonic or others do this, whilst still selling the E-APS-c orphaned lenses at full price? No, only Sony would, and they've done it before. For shame!

Not the bottom, but the top of the barrel. I'm quite interested in the new FF cameras. I'm completely disinterested in buying one.
 
Nice images. If you get what you need then no need to buy a new camera. You can invest the money in travel so you can make pictures of nice places

I will not get the A7 for now. I like the body, the controls, the EVF and the software. I believe that you will get ultimate IQ, especially if you frequently shoot at high ISO. However, I have doubts that the AF really improved a lot. In addition, to get lenses faster than 2.8 they will have to make them large. Not where i want to go. The 35/2.8 is reasonably light and small but that is probably a focal length where there is the least challenge. I believe that the cameras certainly will appeal to people who already have RF lenses with focal lengths around 24mm and larger.

So my choices are to just stick with NEX7 or even go to M43 (at the photo+ i had a chance to touch both the A7 and the OMD E-M1. Both are very nice but the E-M1 is a dream from a handling perspective. Plus they have this amazing 12-40mm lens i fell in love with).
 
PVCdroid said:
uhoh07 said:
Nex 7 produces images not a wit better than original Nex-3--in fact worse with many lenses. Most over-rated of all the Nexes.
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Wrong and unnecessary in this discussion.
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APS-C is APS-C, no matter the pixels. I have yet to see a nex-7 image stand out online from any other nex, in fact the reverse is true. Many 5n images stand out because it's the friendliest with a number of great lenses.

But even then difference is small compared to APS-C vs full frame. That is a huge difference. Just as images from the M9 stand on even on a cheap screen, I believe the same will be the case with the A7s.

Many fundamental characteristics will change with the same lens, DOF, effective speed etc.

Even for landscapes the A7s sensors are far superior the the Nex-7.

The OP should keep his 7 if he likes, but to think the one of the A7s would not improve his photos is self-delusion.

It is a far superior tool.

If you doubt this just compare RX1 images to Nex-7 shots at 24ish FLs.
 
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If you owned a NEX camera then perhaps you would understand. (maybe you do.)
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I've owned NEX, don't own any now. Enjoyed my time with it and almost bought a 7, then 6, but decided to hold out for a full frame MILC from Sony.
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The cancellation of the NEX name
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It is impossible for me to fully underscore how little this matters to me. Name? Don't care. Basic type of camera? That matters to me.
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The cancellation of the NEX name may indicate the canellation of rangefinder-style compact APS-C cameras. Not .mportant to you. Important to some NEX-owners like me.
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combined with a strong possibility of [cancellation of] all APS-C
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With 29% market share in that space in Japan alone, why would Sony cancel? E mount lives. All user investments in APS-C E mount glass will be preserved as there will be future APS-C e mount compact mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Sony. This is so self-evident that worry about the situation looks like bizarre paranoia.
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E-mount lives on in the future with FF cameras. But maybe not APS-C cameras. If true, I will have no choice in a couple of years other to buy another brand.

"Why would Sony cancel ?" (small APS-C rangefinders) - When you find the answer to your question, please let us know.

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rangefinder cameras
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And here's the meat of the matter: many, if not most, of you folks that are complaining about NEX rebranding and the A7 appearance are in fact worried about one thing and one thing only: THE HUMP.
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It's not about NEX rebranding. It's about NEX elimination.
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Is that reasonable? NEX wasn't even born with a HUMP. Or a viewfinder. Anywhere.

And can we stop calling them rangefinder cameras? There's nothing "rangefinderish" about most NEX cameras out there. If slapping an integrated viewfinder on the left side of a stack of tarot cards, a lens on the middle, and a bit of a grip on the right, makes a camera a "rangefinder" in your view then by all means carry on with that bit of self-delusion but the vast majority of NEX buyers see them as cameras with a modernish design - sleek and small.
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"sleek and small" could be anything...ie: a cell phone? Try again.
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If you boil what NEX is down to ingredients for a stew, it becomes clear that the main ingredients can't be left out of future cameras, but some can be optional - maybe the stew will have a slightly different flavour but it's still going to be stew.

NEX Stew, most important ingredients first
  • E Mount as a base flavour, common to all
  • APS-C sensors that are often leading the entire industry pack
  • Solid live-view performance allowing some to only shoot using rear LCD
  • Compact body, slim, sleek, at times seemingly impossibly small for the lenses up front
Optionally:
  • Viewfinder, as a HUMP
  • Viewfinder, as a left side bump out the back
A great many NEX cameras are not sold with a viewfinder and are never outfitted with one. Why would Sony mess with that given the cost of the finder?

Considering the forgoing it seems clear that the small form factor NEX models will continue to live on in some fashion.

Optional viewfinder models will no doubt be produced. Will they be HUMPED or BUMPED? Who knows... but to consider the entire NEX ethos in danger of extinction over that one question, somehow threatening any investments users have in APS-C E mount glass, well that just seems a little crazy.
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has left a lot of us high and dry, with no apology or even a explanation from Sony for cancelling our chosen line of cameras.
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Except they haven't done anything of the sort.
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Would Canon, or Olympus, or Panasonic or others do this, whilst still selling the E-APS-c orphaned lenses at full price?
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Crazy talk. They are bringing out NEW APS-C lenses. No orphans.

A vocal minority cries foul even though no crime has been committed. Should Sony actually change the shape of NEX, something they have not said they would do, for all we know a majority might even applaud.

E mount is here to stay and so is APS-C for many years to come. Full frame may take some portion of APS-C buyers away but no where near enough to threaten APS-C "NEX" successors. Those that want to invest in APS-C glass should do so. Those that expect to be on both platforms might want to invest in EF glass going forward and use it on both.
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You just don't get it. It's not e-mounts that are threatened. It's the APS-C Nex-like cameras which may be gone forever, along with the NEX name. You have no investment in these, so you don't care/don't want to understand.

It's obvious that already on the forum, APS-C and FF don't get along. They need to split us up into 2 separate groups.
 
pede59 said:
Nice images. If you get what you need then no need to buy a new camera. You can invest the money in travel so you can make pictures of nice places

I will not get the A7 for now. I like the body, the controls, the EVF and the software. I believe that you will get ultimate IQ, especially if you frequently shoot at high ISO. However, I have doubts that the AF really improved a lot. In addition, to get lenses faster than 2.8 they will have to make them large. Not where i want to go. The 35/2.8 is reasonably light and small but that is probably a focal length where there is the least challenge. I believe that the cameras certainly will appeal to people who already have RF lenses with focal lengths around 24mm and larger.

So my choices are to just stick with NEX7 or even go to M43 (at the photo+ i had a chance to touch both the A7 and the OMD E-M1. Both are very nice but the E-M1 is a dream from a handling perspective. Plus they have this amazing 12-40mm lens i fell in love with).
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Here's a Lumix GX7. Isn't it very NEX-like?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=lumi...source=hp&gws_rd=cr&ei=Mop1UrrSBobg2gXx54DoBA
 
sroute said:
captura said:
You just don't get it. It's not e-mounts that are threatened. It's the APS-C Nex-like cameras which may be gone forever, along with the NEX name.
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What, cameras with a bump on the left? Or cameras without a hump? Tell me again I don't understand.

E Mount and compactness are what defines NEX. They aren't going to do away with either principle. NEX will live. Alive... it's alive, IT'S ALIVE!
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You have no investment in these, so you don't care/don't want to understand.
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I understand that some have HUMP-o-phobia perfectly well.
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It's obvious that already on the forum, APS-C and FF don't get along. They need to split us up into 2 separate groups.
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What, rational and the crazy? HUMP lovers and HUMP haters?

How about something less argumentative:
  1. Practical E mount shooters
  2. All the rest
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That's ridiculous, and who said anything about humps? I have two cameras with "humps", a Pana. G1 and an old Canon Rebel, by the way.

"E Mount and compactness are what defines NEX." - WRONG! NEX is/was a small Sony rangefinder camera with an APS-C sensor. The NEX program was cancelled as stated by numerous Sony reps.

Future small Alpha A-series cameras may or may not have APSC sensors, and we need to wait to see if Sony will offer them. I have my doubts.

Why do you need to turn to ridicule, on this forum? Against the rules. Are you a shill for Sony?
 
from the recent overview of A7s at LL:

"This all then begs the question – where is the Sony Alpha line of cameras going? Will there be new Alpha cameras that use the existing A mount, or will all new Alpha series cameras from now on take FE lenses? The other question is, what's the future of the NEX line and the regular E mount?

When asked directly Sony representatives won't answer these questions. It may well be that they don't know yet, of even that the company's senior management and product planners are waiting to see how their new offerings are accepted in the marketplace before making any final decisions. All options seem open at the moment.

But as appealing and as innovative as the Alpha line has been, the reality is that in the DSLR-style segment Sony is an also-ran, behind Canon and Nikon, and likely will be unable to close the gap no matter how good their Alpha cameras may be. Thus a change in strategy was needed.

The NEX line is apparently doing well and has a good market share in the CSC segment. But, people want full frame, people want higher resolution sensors, and people want smaller and lighter cameras. This is what the new Alpha 7 and 7R gives them, without abandoning existing customers. NEX continues separate from Alpha and we can expect new cameras in this line, but of course they will remain APS-C.

I think that Sony has pulled off an excellent solution to their conundrum, and my first impression of the A7R at least, is that it is an excellent and very appealing camera.

And for those who wonder about the future of the Alpha line, make note that Sony calls these two Alpha cameras, not NEX, and not some other new name. They are simply called Alpha".

jpr2
 
Beautiful shots and good eye as well for a shot. Very interesting to see from a different country and culture.

I think the biggest advantage we have, is that we all have a choice. I don't need FF either, but some do. Some need AF and OIS / IBIS, some of us don't. Choice is a great thing to have and the more choices the better ;-)

All the best and wonderful shots, love it.

Danny.
 
"NEX continues separate from Alpha and we can expect new cameras in this line, but of course they will remain APS-C."

I'm not sure about your meaning, here.

1- The NEX name is dead, of course. Sony reps have said so.

2- Maybe you are saying that there will continue to be NEX-like APS-C cameras. I sure hope you are right, but we won't know until Sony announces them. If not all those thousands of E-mount NEX lenses that were sold over 5 years will become obsolete and devalued.

"And for those who wonder about the future of the Alpha line, make note that Sony calls these two Alpha cameras, not NEX, and not some other new name. They are simply called Alpha"."

NEX cameras also carried the name alpha. An alpha symbol is emplazoned on every single NEX camera. "NEX"was a second tier name under the all-inclusive banner of alpha.
 
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...that it was quote from LL (and took a sec. to visit through the link provided?), or maybe in your hurry to refute it might have slipped the attention - anyway, it wasn't me but Michael Reichmann of LL - and he might be wrong of course, esp. if we take note how cautiously some of his wordings were formulated :D

jpr2
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jpr2 said:
from the recent overview of A7s at LL:

"This all then begs the question – where is the Sony Alpha line of cameras going? Will there be new Alpha cameras that use the existing A mount, or will all new Alpha series cameras from now on take FE lenses? The other question is, what's the future of the NEX line and the regular E mount?

When asked directly Sony representatives won't answer these questions. It may well be that they don't know yet, of even that the company's senior management and product planners are waiting to see how their new offerings are accepted in the marketplace before making any final decisions. All options seem open at the moment.

But as appealing and as innovative as the Alpha line has been, the reality is that in the DSLR-style segment Sony is an also-ran, behind Canon and Nikon, and likely will be unable to close the gap no matter how good their Alpha cameras may be. Thus a change in strategy was needed.

The NEX line is apparently doing well and has a good market share in the CSC segment. But, people want full frame, people want higher resolution sensors, and people want smaller and lighter cameras. This is what the new Alpha 7 and 7R gives them, without abandoning existing customers. NEX continues separate from Alpha and we can expect new cameras in this line, but of course they will remain APS-C.

I think that Sony has pulled off an excellent solution to their conundrum, and my first impression of the A7R at least, is that it is an excellent and very appealing camera.

And for those who wonder about the future of the Alpha line, make note that Sony calls these two Alpha cameras, not NEX, and not some other new name. They are simply called Alpha".

jpr2
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In October we had that big A7/A7r announcement. But it won’t be long until we will get our next big Sony event:

A trusted sources already unveiled to me that Sony will launch new APS-C and Full Frame cameras in Q1 2014 already! He couldn’t unveil more details, he only added one hint: One of the new cameras will be very loved by the SAR community

Note: From February 13 to 16 there will be the big CP+ show in Japan. Sounds like the right time for such an announcement!

What is the camera you are hoping to see in February?
  • New FF A-mount - 1099 votes (39%)
  • New NEX-7 alike FF E-mount - 883 votes (31%)
  • NEX-7 successor - 627 votes (22%)
  • New APS-C A-mount - 619 votes (22%)
  • New RX2 - 265 votes (9%)
  • New APS-C E-mount compact camera - 210 votes (7%)
Total Voters: 2,806

what puzzles me no end is the last entry: New APS-C E-mount compact camera - 210 votes (7%) - who would have thought that VF-less NEX bodies are so much unpopular ??? :P

Anyway, the Nex-7 like successor seems to be the most wanted item, 53% of all want the N7 mk-II either as APS-C or FF (so... NO faux-prism hump is what we'd like best).

jpr2

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jpr2 wrote:!

What is the camera you are hoping to see in February?
  • New FF A-mount - 1099 votes (39%)
  • New NEX-7 alike FF E-mount - 883 votes (31%)
  • NEX-7 successor - 627 votes (22%)
  • New APS-C A-mount - 619 votes (22%)
  • New RX2 - 265 votes (9%)
  • New APS-C E-mount compact camera - 210 votes (7%)
Total Voters: 2,806

what puzzles me no end is the last entry: New APS-C E-mount compact camera - 210 votes (7%) - who would have thought that VF-less NEX bodies are so much unpopular ??? :P

Anyway, the Nex-7 like successor seems to be the most wanted item, 53% of all want the N7 mk-II either as APS-C or FF (so... NO faux-prism hump is what we'd like best).

jpr2


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Well well already have the compact apsc---the 3 and the 5. What i'd like to see is the compact FF :)

If the new nex-7 is FF, there will be many kittens born on this board, LOL.
 
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