Wide prime to replace SAL35F18??

Tonkotsu Ramen

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Hey everyone,

I'm looking for an upgrade from my SAL35F18. Nothing is wrong with it, but I just want to see if there's a better prime in the 28-35mm range for night time street shots.

I see the sigma 35mm f1.4, but that thing is almost double the price of my camera. The other option is the older sigma 30mm f1.4, though I'm not sure If I can still find it new. I wonder why sigma didn't make the new 30mm f1.4 for the A mount?

are there any other primes you guys can recommend? Thank You!
 
Hey everyone,

I'm looking for an upgrade from my SAL35F18. Nothing is wrong with it, but I just want to see if there's a better prime in the 28-35mm range for night time street shots.

I see the sigma 35mm f1.4, but that thing is almost double the price of my camera. The other option is the older sigma 30mm f1.4, though I'm not sure If I can still find it new. I wonder why sigma didn't make the new 30mm f1.4 for the A mount?

are there any other primes you guys can recommend? Thank You!
 
Hey everyone,

I'm looking for an upgrade from my SAL35F18. Nothing is wrong with it, but I just want to see if there's a better prime in the 28-35mm range for night time street shots.

I see the sigma 35mm f1.4, but that thing is almost double the price of my camera. The other option is the older sigma 30mm f1.4, though I'm not sure If I can still find it new. I wonder why sigma didn't make the new 30mm f1.4 for the A mount?

are there any other primes you guys can recommend? Thank You!
This is just my opinion, but if you're strictly talking about night time street shooting, sometimes faster lenses can make things worse rather than better. Unless you are going for a certain look, bright small objects like street lights and assorted neon can wreak havoc on a wide open large aperture lens.

In any event, you're not going to find anything better in that range than the 35/1.8 until you double the price of the 35/1.8 and even then things will be measured in increments. There is no lens double the price of the 35/1.8 that is also double the IQ.
 
I personally love the way that the Sigma 35mm F/1.4 HSM ART 'draws' the image.

DxO says that it has the BEST image quality for any "A" mount lens. Another very good semi-wide lens is the Sony CZ 24mm/F2.0 lens. Both are more expensive than a A57 body, but that is just the way things are. You end up with far more money in lenses than in the camera body(s).

GaryG
 
I have owned the Sigma 30mm/f1.4 EX/HSM for a couple of years now and my opinion of it is constantly changing. It's extremely well built and has great bokeh characteristics at large apertures. The autofocus is very quiet and fast, but I still get better results manually focusing my copy on a tripod (shooting with the a580), and I still suspect it is back focusing but not consistently. So it's more likely my focusing technique and the very narrow depth of field at f1.4 are just not great together.

I paid $300 for a used copy in 2011. It has held its value well and I could probably sell it for just a little less than that today. I have been tempted to drop it from my collection several times, but I just don't have anything as good to replace it with yet. If I ever get the Sony 16-50/2.8, I don't think I will need this Sigma 30, but until then it's my best lens for shooting the family indoors, and also for some landscapes where a super wide isn't required. Honestly I have considered swapping my Sigma for the lens you are replacing (SAL35F18), because it is highly rated and quite affordable. Maybe we should trade! :)

The closest lens I currently have in this range is the Minolta 35-70/f4, and I enjoy using it but often find the f4 is too stopped down for natural light shots indoors at lower ISOs.
 
If I ever get the Sony 16-50/2.8, I don't think I will need this Sigma 30
Actually, the main reason I'm asking is because I bought a SAL1650, and I want to see if there's an upgrade path for my prime. Otherwise I may end up selling it if the 1650 takes over fully. I guess that's why i'm looking at the f1.4 lenses. too bad sigma didn't bring the upgraded 30mm 1.4 over :/
 
Hey everyone,

I'm looking for an upgrade from my SAL35F18. Nothing is wrong with it, but I just want to see if there's a better prime in the 28-35mm range for night time street shots.

I see the sigma 35mm f1.4, but that thing is almost double the price of my camera. The other option is the older sigma 30mm f1.4, though I'm not sure If I can still find it new. I wonder why sigma didn't make the new 30mm f1.4 for the A mount?

are there any other primes you guys can recommend? Thank You!
The best 'bang for the buck' is the Minolta 28mmF/2.8 a good lens that you can buy for US$200 on ebay. There is also a Minolta 28mm/F2.0 which is more expensive, but it has the great 'minolta colors' which the Sigma 30mm F1.4 DC does not.

GaryG :-D
 
If I ever get the Sony 16-50/2.8, I don't think I will need this Sigma 30
Actually, the main reason I'm asking is because I bought a SAL1650, and I want to see if there's an upgrade path for my prime. Otherwise I may end up selling it if the 1650 takes over fully. I guess that's why i'm looking at the f1.4 lenses. too bad sigma didn't bring the upgraded 30mm 1.4 over :/
I have the 16-50/2.8 and the 35/1.8. IMO, the combination works very well. One of the major advantages of 35/1.8 (besides it price compared to quality) is its size and weight, something you won't get with faster lenses.

You can also look at Samyang lenses but they will be manual if it matters but they are very good lenses. You'd have 24/1.4 and 35/1.4 options. But, if you want IBIS to work properly, you'd have to get the lens chipped.
 
You're right, I only took into account the f stop difference, not the size or weight. My 1650 isn't even here yet, but it seems like it's a relatively large n heavy lens.

Will prob end up keeping the 35, tho I may start looking for a 24mm prime. Something just a bit wider. Thanks!
 
You can also look at Samyang lenses but they will be manual if it matters but they are very good lenses. You'd have 24/1.4 and 35/1.4 options. But, if you want IBIS to work properly, you'd have to get the lens chipped.
FYI: Samyang, Bower, Rokinon & Vivitar are all mechanically the same and produced in the same factory, just different marketing& branding.

I own the Rokinon 8mm Fish eye (sony/minolta) and it has great optics.

GaryG
 
You're right, I only took into account the f stop difference, not the size or weight. My 1650 isn't even here yet, but it seems like it's a relatively large n heavy lens.

Will prob end up keeping the 35, tho I may start looking for a 24mm prime. Something just a bit wider. Thanks!
The 16-50/2.8 is quite heavy (580g), of course relatively speaking. If you want 24mm but with speed, Rokinon 24/1.4 may be a good option. The Sony Zeiss 24/2 SSM can be, if not for the price tag. At 24/2.8, while it is already covered by 16-50/2.8, you would certainly have a small lens advantage... Minolta 24/2.8 would be an option then (also look at 28/2 if you can spot one). I have a Sigma 24/2.8 which I like (cost me $28). It is one of my smallest lenses... probably only beaten by Minolta 50/1.7 which is tiny.

Here's Sigma 24/2.8 with Minolta 35-70/4 (also $30) in the middle, flanked by Minolta 28-85/3.5-4.5 which came for free with Minolta 70-210/4 ($90). These four are my back to the 1980's collection (50/1.7 and 200/2.8 are missing here):

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If I want to go light, I usually put 35-70/4 on the camera and carry the 24/2.8 in my pocket. The 35/1.8 is slightly larger and wider than the 35-70/4.
 
Hi Tonkotsu,

Let me tell you what I think about it. I have an A77 with the old Sigma 30mm F1.4 and theSony 16-50 f2.8 lens. I got the sigma just to make my image less noiser under night time urban street photography(oddly, it ended up working a lot more for nighttime video later as opposed to my initial purpose:)

It worked. As A77 is not so great for low light high iso performance, I desperately need fast glass to control the iso at 800 and below with F1.4 with the main lightsource being streetlight a few meters away from the subject(with a cooresponding shutterspeed of 1/50 second, which seems to be the bottom line to minimize the motion blur for slowly walking subject). With the 1650 sony, the iso would have to be as high as 3200, which I would avoid at all cost since the drop in image quality is obvious.

My second intention is that I want to get shallower depth of field compared to F2.8. However, to get decent amount of background blur, I find it crucial to keep myself as close to the subject as possible(1.5-3m is the working distance for sufficient bokeh in my experience). Now you already got an F1.8, I guess it is not too far behind in terms of Bokeh(since the focal distance matters a lot more for wide angle lenses if maximum bokeh is what you are after)

However, a downside of my copy of sigma is that while the center is sharp enough for my shooting even at f1.4, I find it extremely difficult to achieve critical accuracy of focus when I wish to place the subject somewhere other than the center of the frame due to its mediocre sharpness of the border@ F1.4. The critical focal plane for anywhere other than the center will be as thin as your fingernail so unless you make precise focus the image would look soft if you wanna frame your subject at the border or even mid section of the picture. Also, while it focuses well with center point with my A77, I find other focusing points failed to deliver the precision for the ideal image that I mentioned above. If you are going after that sigma, you may face that problem too.



Another issue is that for the above purpose I need to move quite close to my subject when I shoot with the 30mm sigma. Most of the time I find it more difficult to get a nature-looking shot with a 50mm-equiv lens as they almost instantly notice that I tried to take the picture of them and the mood and situation that I wish to capture are usually gone. I later got Samyang 85mm f1.4 for that purpose and find the subjects looks more natural as I took the picture at a further distance. But again, if you primarily took picture of your close friends, relatives, or, you are a better communicator than me which grant you more pass to candid photography for strangers, you will love the intimacy that a normal lens will offer you, which you already could achieve with your 35mm f1.8 sony lens, a lens with much higher resolution at the border of the image than my sigma. Also, for close-up of still-life like food and plants, the 35mm f1.8 will fare much better than my sigma as it has 1:4 reproduction ratio while my sigma simply cannot do it with a nearly useless 1:10 ratio of maginification. Also, another difference is the price, you have to pay some more for the sigma to get the extra 2/3 stop advantage.

I handled a copy of 35mm f1.8 for a few days before I got the sigma and I'd say the build quality of sigma is better as the focusing ring is properly rubberized and moves smoothly when doing MF. However, for A mount, the Sigma is no more a silent lens as there is no HSM for Sigma 30mm sony version and it is actually quite noisy when AF(it is quick, anyway) and even makes some noise when MF. The situation of sony lens is not much better, though.

So it really depends on your style and purpose of shooting as the sigma allows you a litter wider and brighter but you may find its softness of the border part of the image ruins the show sometime. Also, you have to pay some more while giving up some of the strength of the sony 35mm. Also, you may also think if the sigma worth the extra money as you will have to give up the robust close-up capability of the sony 35mm(I suppose you will sell it to get some money back after the deal). And the bokeh thing for both lens really lies in closer to the subject while not that much with the difference of aperture(they will look both a lot better than DT1650 at the same focal lens and it does make a difference, though)

Now, your time to make the call ! Sorry it's a bit long but I hope it helps!

McLuhan
 

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