IMHO...This is the Worst Forum on DPReview.

IMHO (and in the opinion of hundreds of other DPReview members from other forums that I have talked to.)

There is probably more technical knowledge on this forum than any other forum on DPReview.

Sadly, there are also far more arrogant, condescending mean people on this forum than any other on DPReview.

As valuable as their knowledge might be, the forum would be much better off without them.

Fortunately I won't be able to read any of their responses as I have blocked them all... and you should too.

To the Great, Humble, Kind and Giving People Who Are Left,

Thank YOU for Being Who You Are.

Bob, from Ohio

Please Bob dont be so sensitive. In the end youll end up with alot of useful information. Its ok if they're mean as long as you get something positive out of it. alot of my teachers were mean but you get the point right?

Think I'm gonna have to go with Bob on this one I have a quote from one of a rather famous author's works that I'd like to share. Boldface is my own.

"Sick cultures show a complex of symptoms such as you have named...but a dying culture invariable exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters.. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners is more significant than a riot."

This symptom is especially serious in that an individual displaying it never thinks of it as a sign of ill health but as proof of his/her strength. ...Friday, it is too late to save this culture--this worldwide culture... Therefore we must now prepare the monasteries for the coming Dark Age. Electronic records are too fragile..."

--Robert A. Heinlein in "Friday"

On the other hand, it is what it is, so if it becomes too burdensome I suppose I could just leave However, it does seem sad that civility is in short supply everywhere.

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www.nightstreets.com
One day long ago, a sorcerer and a warrior did battle, as such things were commonplace in that age. Sometimes the sorcerer won, and the sum value of human abilities was improved some trifling amount. Sometimes the warrior won, and again the human race improved by some insignificant amount, for a sorcerer who can't defeat one miserable warrior is a poor sorcerer indeed.

You, Bob, should compare notes with Pascal Riben on the Landscape and Travel forum. He could tell you tales about mean, really mean, people!

Your B&H thread shows that you don't add any value.

bbbinohio said:

Hugo First said:

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Hugo,

I certainly hope you're not talking about the picture you posted in this thread, because IMHO it's absolute garbage. Poor subject. Poor lighting. Poor framing. Absolutely AWFUL.

A practice shot for focusing accuracy maybe?

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Oh really? You need to check yourself.

I find the sad fanboy apologists at the Sony Alpha SLR/SLT Talk Forum far worse.

The Canon full frame forum is way nastier than here. Aart from the fact that I only have a few minor camera in Canon, that forum was way too nasty for my tastes.

I see a bit of that here but not too much.

Greg.

I am not talking about the a__holes here. Im talking about the photographers,enthusiast,techies all dumped in one forum to help someone out with a problem. If you post a clear and straight to the point question with all necessary information( images,data) You'll receive clear and straight to the point answers back. But if start a thread and leave youself Wide-Open for (some ball-breakin), it wont take long for the response to start pouring in.

bbbinohio said:

IMHO (and in the opinion of hundreds of other DPReview members from other forums that I have talked to.)

There is probably more technical knowledge on this forum than any other forum on DPReview.

Sadly, there are also far more arrogant, condescending mean people on this forum than any other on DPReview.

As valuable as their knowledge might be, the forum would be much better off without them.

Fortunately I won't be able to read any of their responses as I have blocked them all... and you should too.

To the Great, Humble, Kind and Giving People Who Are Left,

Thank YOU for Being Who You Are.

Bob, from Ohio

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^ Though he does have some competition. And while I admit that I haven't talked to hundreds of others about this, and don't make $1,600/minute like Bob, I still think I'm pretty spot-on.

lickity split said:

I am not talking about the a__holes here. Im talking about the photographers,enthusiast,techies all dumped in one forum to help someone out with a problem. If you post a clear and straight to the point question with all necessary information( images,data) You'll receive clear and straight to the point answers back. But if start a thread and leave youself Wide-Open for (some ball-breakin), it wont take long for the response to start pouring in.

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To be honiest in Bob's case the early responses weren't that bad at all, maybe a little blunt but really I think his situation deserved that.

The "Ball Breakin" only started when he started with the incredably arrogant put downs himself, anyone who starts to post like that deserves to be run off a forum IMHO, not that anyone who responds like that would learn anything from a forum in the first place of course.

Yet another person that does not want to accept responsibility for his own culpability.

I was one of the first to post in his thread. It was clear to me that Bob needed to calm down, take a breath, and use a systematic approach to determining what his problem was. He received a lot of good advice, but yet without any additional facts declared that:

"... I am also convinced that there is a mechanical error that needs to be corrected."

There was plenty of evidence to the contrary in Bob's own photographs, provided through various comments. But as long as Bob continues the thinking error of believing there is a mechanical error, without first eliminating all other sources of error, then he is as wrong as those who inappropriately post.

Actually wish it could be "sit down, shoulder to shoulder" help...

Now where do I go? Do I fly to New York? I will if I absolutely have to.

Bob, from Ohio

There was no need for this to be in the post. After reading it,I said to myself WTF. I agree, he was receiving plenty of good information early on ,then things just fell apart..

bbbinohio said:

IMHO (and in the opinion of hundreds of other DPReview members from other forums that I have talked to.)

There is probably more technical knowledge on this forum than any other forum on DPReview.

Sadly, there are also far more arrogant, condescending mean people on this forum than any other on DPReview.

As valuable as their knowledge might be, the forum would be much better off without them.

Fortunately I won't be able to read any of their responses as I have blocked them all... and you should too.

To the Great, Humble, Kind and Giving People Who Are Left,

Thank YOU for Being Who You Are.

Bob, from Ohio

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I think this forum is far, far better than some other forums here. The Sony DSLR/SLT forum comes to mind as an example, with nasty debate between DSLR people and SLT people.

It might be calmer over there now that most of the DSLR people have gone elsewhere (I'm one of them - I enjoy shooting sports and I don't think Sony has any advantage to offer me there), but it was certainly nasty.

Think the "no true D700 replacement" thing was bad here? Imagine what it was like over there with the "no true a700 replacement" threads...because the a77 was one controversial camera.

The Nikon SLR Lens section, and this one, are largely why I joined the DPR forum. I have seen far worse sections than this one.

I do not pretend to know more than I do, and respectfully listen when advised, even if the advice is a bit harsh. I learned the use of DSLR cameras quite quickly, which means I missed some things along the way.

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I wear a badge and pistol, and, primarily with 7D cameras, with 10-22mm and 100mm Macro L lenses, shoot evidentiary images at night, which incorporates elements of portrait, macro, still life, landscape, architecture, PJ, and occasional action.

Hey Bob,

I thought/think you handle getting "beat up" well, hang in there, it's going to be a long Winter to lean about our cameras.



Mike

bbbinohio said:

IMHO (and in the opinion of hundreds of other DPReview members from other forums that I have talked to.)

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Honestly, Bob, "opinion of hundreds"? Lets keep it real, mmmk?

bbbinohio said:

There is probably more technical knowledge on this forum than any other forum on DPReview.

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It isnt. not even close. This forum has the same amount misinformation as every other camera line specific forum on DPR. No more no less. Look at the D800 v D4 high ISO thread, it is an excellent example. People buy expensive cameras because they want to and they can afford, not because they know more.

The most knowledgeable forum is the photo science forum.

bbbinohio said:

Sadly, there are also far more arrogant, condescending mean people on this forum than any other on DPReview.

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That is also not true. Every other forum in DPR is just as bad, some are worse, M43 for example, ridden with zealous fanbois.

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As valuable as their knowledge might be, the forum would be much better off without them.

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You should check out photo.net. people there are much more polite. Only downside is it is a lot less active than DPR.

DPR is the way it is because the way it is managed, whether by design or by accident. But for what its worth I think it is a good balance. I for one am not interested in a "mutual support group" where no one disagrees with anyone else. Truth will only emerge if there is enough voices, with more voice, you get noise. Sure, some people in DPR are unnecessarily hostile, but that is just like in real life, if we want a free and liberal society, we have to accept that that freedom will lead to some crimes and immoralities.

Thank you very much for your support. It was very kind of you.

Thanks!

Bob, from Ohio

It may be that you are, simply, a sheep. There's no dishonor in being a sheep - - as long as you know and accept what you are.

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