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em-1 vs Pentax
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ASR45
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Pentax KR ?
What exactly made you smile? Bigger sensor scores highe on Dxomarkr, especially as sensor tech (both made by Sony) are same. The FF sensor in D600 and D800 score higher, too, than Pentax APSC cameras.
What are you smiling about?
Em1 is still incredible mirrorless camera, as DPR awarded it 84% (higher than K-5II) and gave it a Gold Award.
miles green
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Dédéjr
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Your funny do you do standup??
When dxo does not agree with you, they are no good but here you defend them tut tut.
Oh and em1 is behind very old full frame and apsc sensors clear to anyone honest, so thats you out then.
But please continue as you were.....
When dxo does not agree with you, they are no good but here you defend them tut tut.
Oh and em1 is behind very old full frame and apsc sensors clear to anyone honest, so thats you out then.
But please continue as you were.....
audiobomber
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An EM-1 is $100 more that a K-3 and double the price of a K-50. I don't see the value.
kitsios_spyros
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Discalimer 1: I do not own Kx
Discalimer 2: I like Olympus mirrorless cameres
Discalimer 3: You do not need to be offended, they both use Sony sensors. Behave!
I really like Olympus cameras. However, I do not like the design of the EM5/EM1. I find the rather babbling. But this is personal. They are surely great mirrorless cameras. But their size advandage (before adding a small m4/3) over a entry level dSLR is not that much. EPM/EPL is another story.
In my link above (http://camerasize.com/compare/#229,482) one can see that EM1 before adding the -weak- add-on flash, which uses and thus blocks- the accessory port, is actually a little bigger than the 2009 Kx, offering just the same quality that the 4 year old APSc model used to offer then. And adding the weak flash EM1 is actually a lot more bulky than Kx losing any size advantages their lenses may offer.
In other words, if one "upgraded" from a Kx to a EM1, one would not see any advantage in IQ nor size. And adding to both cameras some of the great pancake lenses that both companies offer, their size and would still be quite comparable. Imagine 40mm/f2.8 XS on Kr vs...sorry, no comparable lens on m4/3, except for the dark MF 15mm toy lens
I exaggerated on perpose, as on m4/3 land there are some very small and compact primes, stabilized on EM1 too and with big apperture to compensate for the dof control loss vs APSc cameras. But this does not make Kx any bigger, nor did it give a 84% and gold award in dpreview's review. And I do not undervalue EM1's advantages in video and LV performance. But i think that it is quite clear what I am talking now.
Thanks for mentioning the difference is sensor size. It was so usefull. You can smile in pride now.
Regards,
Spyros
Discalimer 2: I like Olympus mirrorless cameres
Discalimer 3: You do not need to be offended, they both use Sony sensors. Behave!
I really like Olympus cameras. However, I do not like the design of the EM5/EM1. I find the rather babbling. But this is personal. They are surely great mirrorless cameras. But their size advandage (before adding a small m4/3) over a entry level dSLR is not that much. EPM/EPL is another story.
In my link above (http://camerasize.com/compare/#229,482) one can see that EM1 before adding the -weak- add-on flash, which uses and thus blocks- the accessory port, is actually a little bigger than the 2009 Kx, offering just the same quality that the 4 year old APSc model used to offer then. And adding the weak flash EM1 is actually a lot more bulky than Kx losing any size advantages their lenses may offer.
In other words, if one "upgraded" from a Kx to a EM1, one would not see any advantage in IQ nor size. And adding to both cameras some of the great pancake lenses that both companies offer, their size and would still be quite comparable. Imagine 40mm/f2.8 XS on Kr vs...sorry, no comparable lens on m4/3, except for the dark MF 15mm toy lens
I exaggerated on perpose, as on m4/3 land there are some very small and compact primes, stabilized on EM1 too and with big apperture to compensate for the dof control loss vs APSc cameras. But this does not make Kx any bigger, nor did it give a 84% and gold award in dpreview's review. And I do not undervalue EM1's advantages in video and LV performance. But i think that it is quite clear what I am talking now.
Thanks for mentioning the difference is sensor size. It was so usefull. You can smile in pride now.
Your comments are quite amusing. I was hoping you would reply in my questions that I never asked and that only made me smile. I even laughed loud.
Of course, noone said the opposite. But I do not buy all the marketing stuff. m4/3 2013 IQ is what APSc offered 4 years ago. And the size advantage is under question for mirrorless with EVFon board. Have you seen G6/GH3 etc?
Thank God we have our own scales based on our needs and preference. If you do not mind, that is.
Regards,
Spyros
fakuryu
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It is also an excellent camera in its own right.
The only pro-spec m43 in the market and from what I've read around, something pros could be looking for who does not want those huge professional and expensive FF.
And right now, Pentax (K3) and Olympus (EM1) are the only camera brands that provides affordable and current pro-spec cameras. If sales from these cameras becomes profitable for both, Canikon could be forced to release a 7DII and the D400.
Actually, just by releasing the EM1 and the K3 proves that there is a market for affordable and professional spec'd cameras and that FF is not the end of it all.
The only pro-spec m43 in the market and from what I've read around, something pros could be looking for who does not want those huge professional and expensive FF.
And right now, Pentax (K3) and Olympus (EM1) are the only camera brands that provides affordable and current pro-spec cameras. If sales from these cameras becomes profitable for both, Canikon could be forced to release a 7DII and the D400.
Actually, just by releasing the EM1 and the K3 proves that there is a market for affordable and professional spec'd cameras and that FF is not the end of it all.
Gary Martin
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The EM-1 is a *system* camera, designed for those who like the Micro43 system. The advantages and disadvantages of Micro43 have been argued to death, but chances are if you like that system you'll like the EM-1. Both the EM-1 and the K-3 (almost certainly) are excellent bodies in their own right, but their differences are trivial compared to the larger issue of which camera system (Pentax APS-C and Micro43) best suits your needs - now and in the near future.
em-1 and K5-IIs are in the same class (Mid Range Interchangeable Lens Camera / DSLR). At least DPR reviewers love EM1.
By the way, if you look at flickr stats the (older) EM5 is over 600 daily users. K-5 never reached that number on flickr -- currently at 390 -- (nor did Kx ever did). K-5 II is not even on the list.
Say what you want, but Em5 was a smashing ht for Olympus.
The newer EM1 could have been even a bigger hit, but unfortunately for Oly, GX7 and Sony A7R are going to steal some of the show next 6 months.
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Jim in Hudson
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This one takes the cake. The K-3 hasn't even been reviewed nor seen by anyone for more than a few days and that was in pre-production form.
An entry level Canon blows those numbers out of the water. It means nothing in the end.
Making good cameras is all that matters to buyers and no doubt the E-M1 is one and we presume the K-3 will be, too. "Stealing the show" only matters to internet junkies.
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If you read what I said carefully, you would have seen I never mentioned K-3 in that sentence.
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Jim in Hudson
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Anyone who owns M4/3 and 4/3 lenses, it's obviously worth more to them than K-5 IIs. Anyone who is invested M4/3 ecosystem (includes flashes accessories, lenses adapters), it's obviously worth a lot more to them, as K mount cameras would be pretty useless to those users. Anyone who prefers EVF,, this would be worth more to them. Anyone prefers smaller (size), especially with zoom lenses, it would be worth more to them -- that group includes many Canon and Nikon users who already own full-frame DSLRs but use M4/3 as a second smaller/less weight system along with their FF setup.
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audiobomber
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But the question is, why doesn't the OM-D EM-1 cost less than comparable DSLR's instead of more? MILC is supposed to be less costly to manufacture (we're told). As far as I can see, the EM1 is comparable in features to a K-50, at most a K-5 IIs. It is clearly in a lower class than a K-3, yet costs more. That's what I mean when I say I don't see the value.
viking79
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