Nikon wasting time & resources on a BS retro camera

brownie314 wrote:

Everyone sit tight. A D400 is coming. If a 7Dmkii is coming I am 100% sure a D400 is coming. Nikon will not give away this market to Canon. I know it is frustrating and you want your D400 now, but just relax. Canon shooters don't have a 7dmkii yet either and they are peeed too.
I wouldn't presume either would even be aware there is a market - both of the have been getting their chones handed to them when it comes to innovation. How'd that M go Canon? Way to go, everyone else can at least put forth a decent example.........nice job Canon.

At this point Canon & Nikon remind of a couple of the old fools on capitol hill........."face...what?" "insta...who?" "twitter ...a what? They seem to have no concept of media consumption or delivery. Though at least Canon seems to get there is this "whif-fee" thing (intentional :D ). Nikon seems to think "picture? that's on card, why you want it to go anywhere else?"

I may be dense but with this new rubbish retro concept I've finally gotten the hint as far as Nikon is concerned DX is for entry level. They're up to how many cameras now? Oh, damn, I forgot the major DX lens......for the YEAR.....another piece of kit crap - oh wow.

Just in the last couple of months - AW1, D610, D5300........no problem Nikon, I can take a hint.
 
marike6 wrote:
The new Nikon DF may be a game changer for Nikon the way the Fujifilm X100 was for Fujifilm, for all we know. But calling the Nikon DF a "waste of time" before it is even announced is just silly.
Call me silly then. Unless the DF is a testbed for technologies to use in a D400, it is a "waste of time".


JC
Some cameras, some lenses, some computers
 
marike6 wrote:

Why would you even want to be shooting an APS-C camera these days when the majority of photographers have moved on to FF? Dramatically better low-light ability and better DOF control are two no-brainer reasons to use FF over APS-C.
Because that is what *I* like to shoot? I respect your reasons for loving FF, I have my reasons which are not yours for my own choices.


JC
Some cameras, some lenses, some computers
 
Patco wrote:
marike6 wrote:

... the majority of photographers have moved on to FF?
Care to share your source of this amazing turn of events?
I don't know if it's the "majority", but some have, certainly. Or switched systems.

Either way, the more people who "move on to FF" the more Nikon's psuedo- price skimming strategy works.

That is, they convince you to upgrade to a more expensive system by delaying what you really want.

Nikon is hoping that by the time the D400 is released (if it ever is) they will have skimmed off as many possible FF converts during that time, or at least, sold them a D7000/D7100 that they didn't really need.

The risk with price skimming is that it assumes an inelastic demand curve. If instead, people leave for Pentax or Canon or Fuji or whatever, then the demand curve may not be so inelastic after all.

That is, there are switching costs, to be sure. But how much can you annoy your customers (by steering them towards an expensive upgrade that they don't need) before the costs of switching are less than the opportunity costs of staying?
 
Nikon seem even-handed on DX-FX to me. One problem Nikon might perceive is that the D300s already fits perfectly in Nikon’s current lineup, if one considers pairs of cameras that give equivalent services in the two different formats and price brackets:

High-speed professional press camera

FX – D4, 16mp, $6000

DX – D300s, 12.4mp, $2000

High-resolution advanced general graphics camera

FX – D800, 36mp, $3000

DX – D7100, 24mp, $1500

Medium spec all-purpose enthusiast camera

FX – D610, 24mp, $2000

DX – D5300, 24mp, $1000

Only in the entry-level category is there only a DX camera (D3200), as one might expect.

To me, and I suspect to Nikon, the D300s fits quite logically in this present lineup, as a fast press camera for pros on a budget.

That’s not to say I don’t want an upgrade too! And I believe there's probably one at an advanced stage on hold. But why do we want more megapixels in that high-speed press camera category? Either for very large prints of action subjects, which might be considered beyond its brief and the rightful task of a D4, or to crop and use a smaller sensor area.

Well, Nikon already provide for the latter need with the V1 and V2, and we bag them for having sensors too small! If the V1 pixel density was DX sized, it would be about 35mp, from memory. If a 35mp DX camera was cropped down to CX size, presumably image quality would be no different.

So Nikon might say that if you’re shooting action and want to use a smaller sensor area than DX because you can’t get close enough, use a V1 or V2.

If you want a larger sensor area than CX, use a D300s and get closer, so you can fill the frame. That will give you plenty of resolution for any print media, which is what the camera is for.

The only specifications in which the D300s is below par are dynamic range, which is not a particular priority for a press camera, and video resolution, which isn't really what it’s for either.

I can imagine Nikon reasoning that if dynamic range is a priority, they provide plenty of more suitable options, and if high-res video’s important, the least you can do is add a D3200 or V1 body for a few hundred bucks.

So yes, I believe an upgrade must come eventually, but I can see why it's been down Nikon's priority list. The 7D2 rumour is encouraging.
 
n057 wrote:
marike6 wrote:

The new Nikon DF may be a game changer for Nikon the way the Fujifilm X100 was for Fujifilm, for all we know. But calling the Nikon DF a "waste of time" before it is even announced is just silly.
Call me silly then. Unless the DF is a testbed for technologies to use in a D400, it is a "waste of time".
JC, here's a thought. Maybe the "DF" is actually a D400 with all the bells & whistles that we've all been asking for. If so, I don't care what it's called as long as it is spec'd right :)

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motobloat wrote:
Patco wrote:
marike6 wrote:

... the majority of photographers have moved on to FF?
Care to share your source of this amazing turn of events?
I don't know if it's the "majority", but some have, certainly. Or switched systems.

Either way, the more people who "move on to FF" the more Nikon's psuedo- price skimming strategy works.

That is, they convince you to upgrade to a more expensive system by delaying what you really want.

Nikon is hoping that by the time the D400 is released (if it ever is) they will have skimmed off as many possible FF converts during that time, or at least, sold them a D7000/D7100 that they didn't really need.

The risk with price skimming is that it assumes an inelastic demand curve. If instead, people leave for Pentax or Canon or Fuji or whatever, then the demand curve may not be so inelastic after all.

That is, there are switching costs, to be sure. But how much can you annoy your customers (by steering them towards an expensive upgrade that they don't need) before the costs of switching are less than the opportunity costs of staying?
I own three Nikon dSLRs (all DX) and 20k worth of lenses (I shoot many things, but long action reach is the most difficult thing I shoot).

What have I purchased in the last 6 years? A Fuji X-E1 (very nice camera/lens) for backpacking because Nikon hasn't made anything that fits what I shoot better than what I have.

I would have purchased one or both of a D750 and a D400 if Nikon made them. I've rented a D800 - didn't work for what I do. A D4 is beyond my budget and not as much reach as I want/need. I don't let manufacturers coerce me into buying something that doesn't really fit my style just because it's the only new thing they're making so what you describe as Nikon "skimming" is not work on me. I prefer to spend my money efficiently and only buy something when it really fits what I need and I believe it will meet my needs for the next 4 years.

Right now, Nikon is hanging on by a thread and the ONLY reason I haven't left the brand entirely is that no competitor has yet done a D400-style camera either. But, the moment that happens (the Pentax K-3 offering will need to be evaluated), my entire commitment to Nikon is vulnerable. I actually like Canon's long glass more than my Nikon long glass so if Canon does a competent D400-style camera, I may go that way.

A D7100 came somewhat close, but it's short on fps and the small buffer just kills it for the unpredictable action sequences I shoot. I even run into the limits of my D300 buffer from time to time - I have no intention of moving to a camera with less capabilities in that regard. Also, there is a difference between 6fps and 8fps. It isn't a light and day difference, though it is sometimes useful so why should I buy a new camera that has less capabilities that what I already have? Plus, why should I buy a camera that isn't what I really want that we all know could easily be eclipsed any day now using off-the-shelf tech. Pentax has now done it. Canon is rumored to be doing it early next year. We know Nikon could do it with the EXPEED 4 if they wanted to. This market segment won't go unserved forever. There are people who will buy it and it's a natural upgrade progression from all the other DX cameras (more so of an upgrade in some ways than any of the FX line).

I could even argue that a D400 might be the best all-around camera in Nikon's entire lineup if they added it to what they have now. It could do action better than any other camera in the lineup except the D4 and it could do long reach action better than even the D4. And, if it was a very high quality 24MP DX camera, it could do pretty much every other type of photography very well except for super low light or razor thin DOF. And, it could be a pretty nice value too (the amount of great functionality you get for the money). Remember, the majority of Nikon's existing customer base owns a DX camera of some kind (D3x00, D5x00, D7x00, D90, D300, D200) and a D400 would be a much more likely upgrade for all of those customers than any FX camera because it fits exactly what they're already doing (just better in every way) unless the main goal is to improve low light performance.

I know from all the talk about a D400 here in the forums that there are certainly others like me. The only question that remains for Nikon is if they want to make something that we will buy?
 
jfriend00 wrote:
motobloat wrote:
Patco wrote:
marike6 wrote:

... the majority of photographers have moved on to FF?
Care to share your source of this amazing turn of events?
I don't know if it's the "majority", but some have, certainly. Or switched systems.

Either way, the more people who "move on to FF" the more Nikon's psuedo- price skimming strategy works.

That is, they convince you to upgrade to a more expensive system by delaying what you really want.

Nikon is hoping that by the time the D400 is released (if it ever is) they will have skimmed off as many possible FF converts during that time, or at least, sold them a D7000/D7100 that they didn't really need.

The risk with price skimming is that it assumes an inelastic demand curve. If instead, people leave for Pentax or Canon or Fuji or whatever, then the demand curve may not be so inelastic after all.

That is, there are switching costs, to be sure. But how much can you annoy your customers (by steering them towards an expensive upgrade that they don't need) before the costs of switching are less than the opportunity costs of staying?
I own three Nikon dSLRs (all DX) and 20k worth of lenses (I shoot many things, but long action reach is the most difficult thing I shoot).

What have I purchased in the last 6 years? A Fuji X-E1 (very nice camera/lens) for backpacking because Nikon hasn't made anything that fits what I shoot better than what I have.

I would have purchased one or both of a D750 and a D400 if Nikon made them. I've rented a D800 - didn't work for what I do. A D4 is beyond my budget and not as much reach as I want/need. I don't let manufacturers coerce me into buying something that doesn't really fit my style just because it's the only new thing they're making so what you describe as Nikon "skimming" is not work on me. I prefer to spend my money efficiently and only buy something when it really fits what I need and I believe it will meet my needs for the next 4 years.

Right now, Nikon is hanging on by a thread and the ONLY reason I haven't left the brand entirely is that no competitor has yet done a D400-style camera either. But, the moment that happens (the Pentax K-3 offering will need to be evaluated), my entire commitment to Nikon is vulnerable. I actually like Canon's long glass more than my Nikon long glass so if Canon does a competent D400-style camera, I may go that way.

A D7100 came somewhat close, but it's short on fps and the small buffer just kills it for the unpredictable action sequences I shoot. I even run into the limits of my D300 buffer from time to time - I have no intention of moving to a camera with less capabilities in that regard. Also, there is a difference between 6fps and 8fps. It isn't a light and day difference, though it is sometimes useful so why should I buy a new camera that has less capabilities that what I already have? Plus, why should I buy a camera that isn't what I really want that we all know could easily be eclipsed any day now using off-the-shelf tech. Pentax has now done it. Canon is rumored to be doing it early next year. We know Nikon could do it with the EXPEED 4 if they wanted to. This market segment won't go unserved forever. There are people who will buy it and it's a natural upgrade progression from all the other DX cameras (more so of an upgrade in some ways than any of the FX line).

I could even argue that a D400 might be the best all-around camera in Nikon's entire lineup if they added it to what they have now. It could do action better than any other camera in the lineup except the D4 and it could do long reach action better than even the D4. And, if it was a very high quality 24MP DX camera, it could do pretty much every other type of photography very well except for super low light or razor thin DOF. And, it could be a pretty nice value too (the amount of great functionality you get for the money). Remember, the majority of Nikon's existing customer base owns a DX camera of some kind (D3x00, D5x00, D7x00, D90, D300, D200) and a D400 would be a much more likely upgrade for all of those customers than any FX camera because it fits exactly what they're already doing (just better in every way) unless the main goal is to improve low light performance.

I know from all the talk about a D400 here in the forums that there are certainly others like me. The only question that remains for Nikon is if they want to make something that we will buy?
 
photoreddi wrote:
Kerry Pierce wrote:

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A lot of what Dez does, I used to do and still do once in a while. There's just no way I'd want to take my d800 and expensive lenses downtown. That is tantamount to painting a target on your back, and camera insurance doesn't cover the issues, when you're pushing up the grass in the local cemetery or sitting in a local ICU.

Then, there is simply the matter of cost. Why should someone buy a $3k camera, when there should be one that suits them, is available for under $2k, one that gives you the FOV that you like and are accustomed to shooting and doesn't require that you buy new lenses?

I'd much rather do my cityscapes and other stuff that I do in the city, with one of my DX bodies, usually the d300. I won't take my d3s or d800 downtown at all, unless I'm going to an indoor event that has the security set up so I don't have to worry about being inside or getting in/out.
You've presented a reasonable scenario from the photographer's standpoint based on the value of the gear, for you. But I see two problems with this.
Okay, let's address those problems.
First, either the thief/mugger is familiar with the value of the camera gear or he isn't. If he isn't, I have to assume that you're not using a small kit lens on the D300, and to the mugger (ignoring the larger, even more impressive D3s) it will look just as impressive and tempting as a D800, so the D300 should get the mugger's juices flowing as much as a D800 would.
Thieves and muggers aren't usually Nikon snobs, so they usually don't know/care what model you are carrying and that isn't the reason that I wouldn't take my d800 or d3s downtown instead of a much cheaper camera.

When you have a choice at limiting your risk/loss, the smart choice is to not risk your most expensive body. You risk the body that if lost, isn't painful to replace. You take the body that, if you had to do so, you could abandon and not feel huge amounts of pain.

Most times, when you are confronted by a robber who is sticking a gun in your face, the best course of action is to give him what he wants, quickly and without fanfare. Your survival is the important thing. Worrying about the gear should not enter your mind.

My advice, if you want to photograph in high risk areas, don't take your most expensive camera and lenses, etc. Take something you wouldn't mind losing or breaking.
Second, if the thief/mugger is familiar the value of Nikon's cameras, he'll be as likely to try to mug Dez whether he's carrying a D800 or the mythical D400, which probably would have his large 17-55mm f/2.8 Nikkor or another equally impressive lens mounted on it. And since Dez has survived this long with his D300/17-55mm, he's either more fearless than most of us or he's got enough street smarts to be able to handle dicey situations that might make some other photographers wish they had worn a diaper. :)
Well, I have many years of surviving the streets of Detroit. I've also been to NYC many times, as well as many other big cities over the years and I've rarely worried about the areas in which I traveled. Street smarts can work well, especially on familiar turf, but there is always risk that you can't control and street smart folks always minimize that risk the best that they can.

Kerry
 
DezM wrote:
n057 wrote:
marike6 wrote:

The new Nikon DF may be a game changer for Nikon the way the Fujifilm X100 was for Fujifilm, for all we know. But calling the Nikon DF a "waste of time" before it is even announced is just silly.
Call me silly then. Unless the DF is a testbed for technologies to use in a D400, it is a "waste of time".
JC, here's a thought. Maybe the "DF" is actually a D400 with all the bells & whistles that we've all been asking for. If so, I don't care what it's called as long as it is spec'd right :)
The tought crossed my mind at some point, which is why I mention the testbed idea :-)


JC
Some cameras, some lenses, some computers
 
Kerry Pierce wrote:
photoreddi wrote:
Kerry Pierce wrote:

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A lot of what Dez does, I used to do and still do once in a while. There's just no way I'd want to take my d800 and expensive lenses downtown. That is tantamount to painting a target on your back, and camera insurance doesn't cover the issues, when you're pushing up the grass in the local cemetery or sitting in a local ICU.

Then, there is simply the matter of cost. Why should someone buy a $3k camera, when there should be one that suits them, is available for under $2k, one that gives you the FOV that you like and are accustomed to shooting and doesn't require that you buy new lenses?

I'd much rather do my cityscapes and other stuff that I do in the city, with one of my DX bodies, usually the d300. I won't take my d3s or d800 downtown at all, unless I'm going to an indoor event that has the security set up so I don't have to worry about being inside or getting in/out.
You've presented a reasonable scenario from the photographer's standpoint based on the value of the gear, for you. But I see two problems with this.
Okay, let's address those problems.
First, either the thief/mugger is familiar with the value of the camera gear or he isn't. If he isn't, I have to assume that you're not using a small kit lens on the D300, and to the mugger (ignoring the larger, even more impressive D3s) it will look just as impressive and tempting as a D800, so the D300 should get the mugger's juices flowing as much as a D800 would.
Thieves and muggers aren't usually Nikon snobs, so they usually don't know/care what model you are carrying and that isn't the reason that I wouldn't take my d800 or d3s downtown instead of a much cheaper camera.

When you have a choice at limiting your risk/loss, the smart choice is to not risk your most expensive body. You risk the body that if lost, isn't painful to replace. You take the body that, if you had to do so, you could abandon and not feel huge amounts of pain.
I agree, and at times I've decided to carry cameras that would limit my losses. When I wrote "you're not" above, I meant the generic "you", not you, specifically. I was actually thinking more of Dez, who is much less likely (I assume) to take a less expensive body and lens when he wanders through some of the riskier parts of the city, several of which I've seen in his photos. The thieves and muggers may not know anything about the relative value of cameras and lenses, but they're sure to think that a large D300/17-55mm Nikkor is probably worth a whole lot more than my very small, unimpressive looking NX100 + small kit lens that only cost me about $280 new, whether they know anything about Samsung prices or not.

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Most times, when you are confronted by a robber who is sticking a gun in your face, the best course of action is to give him what he wants, quickly and without fanfare. Your survival is the important thing. Worrying about the gear should not enter your mind.
Unless you're Jack Benny (Mugger: "Your money or your life." Benny ("I'm thinking ... I'm thinking.") :)

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Second, if the thief/mugger is familiar the value of Nikon's cameras, he'll be as likely to try to mug Dez whether he's carrying a D800 or the mythical D400, which probably would have his large 17-55mm f/2.8 Nikkor or another equally impressive lens mounted on it. And since Dez has survived this long with his D300/17-55mm, he's either more fearless than most of us or he's got enough street smarts to be able to handle dicey situations that might make some other photographers wish they had worn a diaper. :)
Well, I have many years of surviving the streets of Detroit. I've also been to NYC many times, as well as many other big cities over the years and I've rarely worried about the areas in which I traveled. Street smarts can work well, especially on familiar turf, but there is always risk that you can't control and street smart folks always minimize that risk the best that they can.
Agreed, but there are different degrees of minimizing risk. One guy I knew many years ago refused to travel to NYC, preferring to stay in Hicksville, LI, which he assumed was a much safer place. He'd cringe if he knew about some of the Manhattan, Bronx and Pittsburgh neighborhoods I've wandered through at night. Come to think of it though, I didn't have a camera with me on those occasions, so maybe I'll give them another look.
 
Dez doesn't need FX. He can make great photos with a potato if he wanted to. :D
Let's wait and see what this here retro cam has to offer.
I'm sure we'll all be just as disappointed if they never released such a thing.
Would be pretty hard with a potato or an egg, for that matter :D

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The new Nikon DF may be a game changer for Nikon the way the Fujifilm X100 was for Fujifilm, for all we know. But calling the Nikon DF a "waste of time" before it is even announced is just silly.
Call me silly then. Unless the DF is a testbed for technologies to use in a D400, it is a "waste of time".
JC, here's a thought. Maybe the "DF" is actually a D400 with all the bells & whistles that we've all been asking for. If so, I don't care what it's called as long as it is spec'd right :)
The tought crossed my mind at some point, which is why I mention the testbed idea :-)

JC
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Who would want such a camera:

http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/10/...campaign=Feed:+canonrumors/rss+(Canon+Rumors)

The DF on the other hand is hip, stylish and retro.
It would be even more fantistic if they brought out a retro 8x10, complete with bellows.
Or one of these with a sensor (not so good for action/sports, though):

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http://www.fotoart.gr/photography/history/historyphotos/onephotoonestory/thelargestcamera.htm
I prefer a little more "modern-retro" and compact.

With flash of course.

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And D124 isn't taken yet.
Yeah, that'll fit in the cargo pants pocket :D

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Dez doesn't need FX. He can make great photos with a potato if he wanted to. :D
Let's wait and see what this here retro cam has to offer.
I'm sure we'll all be just as disappointed if they never released such a thing.
Would be pretty hard with a potato or an egg, for that matter :D
Once again, you're too modest.

You seriously underestimate yourself.





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If a D400 is in the wind, then Nikon should grow some balls and tell us. If Nikon would just make a press release to confirm that they intend to offer a D300 replacement in the near future, it would generate some positive energy for their customers. If there is not going to be a D300 replacement, then just say it so that people can can get on with making decisions on what gear they want to get.

This forum post and others like it are evidence that people have lost confidence in the Nikon brand/management such that negativity is now surfacing. Negativity and talk of the benefits of other brands on a Nikon forum is not a good indicator. Erosion of sales potential for Nikon can be the only result.
Why would Nikon make an announcement like this? I can think of at least 3 reasons why they should not:

1. They would be announcing their plans to the competition. Maybe nothing is lost in this, but maybe it is - I am not an insider so I don't know. But seems like not letting the competition know what you are doing is better.

2. You imply that people will lose confidence in Nikon, meaning they will switch systems? Where exactly will they go to get a D400 like body? I will tell you - no where. There is no D400 like body. And no, the K-3 is not it.

3. If they made this announcement it would cut into D7100 sales. Sh**ty thing to do - maybe, but still why would they do this and hurt sales?

Everyone sit tight. A D400 is coming. If a 7Dmkii is coming I am 100% sure a D400 is coming. Nikon will not give away this market to Canon. I know it is frustrating and you want your D400 now, but just relax. Canon shooters don't have a 7dmkii yet either and they are peeed too.
Exactly. Cameras take time to make. Better the camera be a year "late" and perfect, than be a disaster like the D600.
I agree and have been waiting patiently & shooting at the same time. Nobody wants left AF issues, oily senors and dusty mechanisms.

But this rumored "DF" pushed me over the top

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Dez doesn't need FX. He can make great photos with a potato if he wanted to. :D
Let's wait and see what this here retro cam has to offer.
I'm sure we'll all be just as disappointed if they never released such a thing.
Would be pretty hard with a potato or an egg, for that matter :D
Once again, you're too modest.

You seriously underestimate yourself.

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T, you sure know how to make me laugh...........HARD :P

But I couldn't shoot with that. It says "Canon"

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Dez
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A lot of what Dez does, I used to do and still do once in a while. There's just no way I'd want to take my d800 and expensive lenses downtown. That is tantamount to painting a target on your back, and camera insurance doesn't cover the issues, when you're pushing up the grass in the local cemetery or sitting in a local ICU.

Then, there is simply the matter of cost. Why should someone buy a $3k camera, when there should be one that suits them, is available for under $2k, one that gives you the FOV that you like and are accustomed to shooting and doesn't require that you buy new lenses?

I'd much rather do my cityscapes and other stuff that I do in the city, with one of my DX bodies, usually the d300. I won't take my d3s or d800 downtown at all, unless I'm going to an indoor event that has the security set up so I don't have to worry about being inside or getting in/out.
You've presented a reasonable scenario from the photographer's standpoint based on the value of the gear, for you. But I see two problems with this.

First, either the thief/mugger is familiar with the value of the camera gear or he isn't. If he isn't, I have to assume that you're not using a small kit lens on the D300, and to the mugger (ignoring the larger, even more impressive D3s) it will look just as impressive and tempting as a D800, so the D300 should get the mugger's juices flowing as much as a D800 would.

Second, if the thief/mugger is familiar the value of Nikon's cameras, he'll be as likely to try to mug Dez whether he's carrying a D800 or the mythical D400, which probably would have his large 17-55mm f/2.8 Nikkor or another equally impressive lens mounted on it. And since Dez has survived this long with his D300/17-55mm, he's either more fearless than most of us or he's got enough street smarts to be able to handle dicey situations that might make some other photographers wish they had worn a diaper. :)
Haha. NYC isn't that bad. It's actually a pretty safe city. You just should be aware of your surroundings when in desolate areas. I carry my gear to any situation, regardless of neighborhood or whether it's daylight or night. The city is safe.

..........knock on wood.

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The new Nikon DF may be a game changer for Nikon the way the Fujifilm X100 was for Fujifilm, for all we know. But calling the Nikon DF a "waste of time" before it is even announced is just silly.
Call me silly then. Unless the DF is a testbed for technologies to use in a D400, it is a "waste of time".
JC, here's a thought. Maybe the "DF" is actually a D400 with all the bells & whistles that we've all been asking for. If so, I don't care what it's called as long as it is spec'd right :)
The tought crossed my mind at some point, which is why I mention the testbed idea :-)

JC
Some cameras, some lenses, some computers
While I like the idea of the testbed, I just don't have that much faith in Nikon anymore.

I have a feeling we will see a D620, D7200 and D5400 before we see a D400.

DF... D FourHundred? Dismal Fossil? Deliberate F***over ?

I'm not buying "Digital Fusion".
 
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