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Don't feel too bad Ulysses, I have now had the camera for about a month and half, and every now then I still look at the back screen when I turn the camera on, and when I see nothing at all (no Canon logo shows up, no noise) I think for a second that the battery must be dead or, god forbid, the camera is dead. Old habits are hard to forget, and the Sony start-up is one of them.

Oh yeah, the dual on/off switches have flustered more than a few people too.

--Mike
 
You're very kind, Mike.

It was a humbling experience, let me tell you. But it's kind of like that with every camera, I suppose. Needing to get a feel for it and where everything is located. I thought, however, that I'd studied the write-ups and the details enough that I wouldn't feel so lost.

I couldn't turn the camera ON, Mike!

Now look... I'm getting frustrated all over again. hahahahahahahahahah..
Mike Ezell said:
Don't feel too bad Ulysses, I have now had the camera for about a
month and half, and every now then I still look at the back screen
when I turn the camera on, and when I see nothing at all (no Canon
logo shows up, no noise) I think for a second that the battery must
be dead or, god forbid, the camera is dead. Old habits are hard to
forget, and the Sony start-up is one of them.

Oh yeah, the dual on/off switches have flustered more than a few
people too.

--Mike
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Ulysses
 
Member said:
I couldn't turn the camera ON, Mike!
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I'll admit, that was pretty funny. Just chalk it up to giddiness of a new camera....that's what i did with all of my user errors :-).

And you are totally right on the inconspicuousness of this camera (especially with the BG-ED3 grip on it). With some lenses, even hiding behind a tree will do you no good though. I saw a 500/4 the other day with its hood on, and it was just absolutely huge. I think you would need a truck to haul the 1200/5.6 around. hehehe

I hope your second encounter with the 10D is more successful, and well, let's hope it is less humiliating too. hehe
 
Thanks for the tips - I think I might drag my husband to best buy today.

I'm not sure I want it for sneaking up on people. I'm terrified of taking pictures of strangers with my 707 - I'm always afraid someone's going to punch me - don't ask!

I do think I will miss the swivel and the size - if I should upgrade. There's nothing like the 707 for getting stuck in bushes and jamming that lens right up against the flower. And the swivel. I only lay in the dirt one out of five times with the swivel. I'm sure I'd be swimming in mud to get those shots without it.

But still, there's something about it....

Uly - you always help me so consider a good deed done!
Best,
C
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DSC-F707
http://www.photoartcards.com
 
Cara Davis Conomos said:
Thanks for the tips - I think I might drag my husband to best buy
today.
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Send him to look at the big-screen TVs, and you'll probably be good for about an hour. :-)
Cara Davis Conomos said:
I'm not sure I want it for sneaking up on people. I'm terrified of
taking pictures of strangers with my 707 - I'm always afraid
someone's going to punch me - don't ask!
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Uh-oh... you were somewhere on Broadway and tried to do a candid, didnt you? :-)
Cara Davis Conomos said:
I do think I will miss the swivel and the size - if I should
upgrade. There's nothing like the 707 for getting stuck in bushes
and jamming that lens right up against the flower. And the swivel.
I only lay in the dirt one out of five times with the swivel. I'm
sure I'd be swimming in mud to get those shots without it.
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There are a lot of shots that I think would be plain tougher to do without some sort of swivel. That does bug me. A lot. I'd really have to get over that.

I'm not sure that Shay likes it either. No, I'm sure he doesn't like that. But for some types of event photography, there's no arguing the advantages.

I'm curious. After looking at some of the galleries of the Sigma SD9, and knowing that they are continuing with the platform and accessorizing for it, have you considered it as an option?

They've recently updated the firmware, as well as the processing software.

See the stunning (did I say STUNNING) galleries at:
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home

They're not ISO 1600 shots, but the quality... oh, the quality.

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Ulysses
 
Cara,

Here are two shots taken with the 28-135 IS USM Canon lens. I cropped them in PS but you can get an idea of how close you can get. For macro work I'd like to get the Canon 100mm f2.8 Macro USM. It is a very sharp lens and everyone loves it.

http://www.pbase.com/image/17240877
http://www.pbase.com/image/17272378

Not all Best Buys have the 10D. It was locked up in a glass cabinet so look around when you go. Don't buy the 28-135 at Best Buy. They sell it for $690 and you can get it for $400.

Roberta
http://www.pbase.com/roberta
Sony 717, Olympus C-3000, Nikon FM
 
Roberta, there is NO END to the stuff that I didn't do with that camera.

As you read concerning this debacle, I couldn't turn the CAMERA on.

And you're expecting a guy like me to find the IS button, too? Hahahahahahahahahah!!

Seriously, thanks for the advice. Next time, I'll make sure to flip the switch so Shay can manually focus, and the IS button so that my nervous anxiety won't show up in the pictures. :-)
Roberta F. said:
Ulysses,

You probably forgot to turn on the IS which is on the lens on the
28-135 IS USM Canon lens. The IS will take care of the camera
shake but you have to turn it on.

Roberta
http://www.pbase.com/roberta
Sony 717, Olympus C-3000, Nikon FM
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Ulysses
 
Isabel,

I walked around for hours with the 10D and with the neck strap, the weight wasn't bad. I use a Lowepro backpack too and when you carry your gear on your back (hiking etc), it isn't bad at all.

Roberta
http://www.pbase.com/roberta
Sony 717, Olympus C-3000, Nikon FM
 
I've had a 10D for about a month now and unfortunately, it's been a hectic month and I haven't had a chance to really learn the camera. The one thing that I did notice right away is that I couldn't get the same shutter speeds with the "cheap" lens (the body broke me) that I bought that I could with the 717 at ISO 100.

I've been taking pictures in the early evening at my son's baseball games. With the 717 I could shoot at ISO 100 with the aperture wide open and get shutter speeds between 1/500 and 1/1000 - until the sun got low in the sky and then I'd have to crank up the ISO.

With the 10D and the f/3.5-4.5 lens that I have, I lose 2 stops right off the bat (no pun intended) and have to crank up the ISO to compensate.

So... I bought another lens... a 70 - 200 f/2.8, that's a constant f/2.8 and I'm all excited 'cause I'm thinking ISO 100 and 1/1000 again - uh-uh. Still had to crank the ISO.

I haven't yet had the opportunity to shoot in mid-afternoon with lots of light.

Anyway, I'm finding the learning curve on the 10D to be pretty steep for me right now. I may have jumped into the DSLR realm earlier than I should have, but the opportunity to buy the 10D from a friend came up and I couldn't resist.

Regards,
Steve
JoeSchmoe said:
about your F7*7? And don't say the STF because that's a given.

I ask because there are two features of the F717 that are deal
breakers from me and that keep me (aside from the money and bulky
equipment) from going DSLR: live preview with live histogram, and
movie mode. Yeah, I know, what kind of a photographer am I if I
choose a camera because it has a good movie mode? Well, I mostly
photograph my family and friends, and it's nearly priceless having
the ability to take video clips of memorable moments without
lugging around another toy.

Thanks.

Joe
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Thanks to the 10D'ers for your informative replies, and the Ulysses for a humorous tale that proves that we're all human, after all. Now I won't feel so bad when I go to BB or the local camera shop to test drive the 10D (and I'll remember not to look for the live preview!).
 
JoeSchmoe said:
about your F7*7? And don't say the STF because that's a given.

I ask because there are two features of the F717 that are deal
breakers from me and that keep me (aside from the money and bulky
equipment) from going DSLR: live preview with live histogram, and
movie mode.
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I still have both the F717 and 10D so I don't have to suffer withdrawal symptoms. The movie mode does not bother me at all as I have a Sony TRV25 for when I need moving pictures.

Not having a swivel body for low tripod shots means getting my knees muddy at times. IR is nowhere near as good with the 10D. It is good enough to be my back-up camera which says a lot for the quality of the F717.

You would be surprised how many 10D owners still use their F7*7's.

If you think the Sony is a big camera, stick a 50-500mm lens on the front of the Canon and its more like a missile launcher and about the same weight. Lugging it around a motor racing track all day (as I often do) really makes you appreciate the lightness of the F717, even with the Sony TC attached.

I don't miss STF because I am still here.

--
Kenny

DSC-F717 - WA TC F1000
EOS-10D - A lot of glass - now penniless
 
I've had mine for weeks and I still do the same things. Hahahahah
John
Ulysses said:
I'm only reporting this to YOU. Don't tell anyone. Are you sitting
down?

Okay, so I went into BB yesterday. I noticed that they had a 10D
under the glass display case along with several other
'conventional' SLR cameras and lenses. I asked the rep "if I came
into the store later with another photographer would we be able to
take a look at the 10D and put a lens on it to shoot some samples?"
He said sure.

So later that evening, I asked Shay if he wanted to take a jaunt
over to BB to have a look at the 10D. He was intrigued. So off we
went.

We got there, saw a rep and asked for the camera. He opened up the
case and asked if we'd like to give one of the lenses a spin, too.
With confidence, we said "Let's have a look at the 28-135 Canon
lens." I pulled out my own 512MB CF card to take some test shots
and loaded it into the 10D.

The agony and ecstasy began now. Emphasis on AGONY.

The screen was blank, and I realized I didn't know how to turn the
camera On.

I finally found a button that said On/Off, and so I flipped it.
Nothing came up on the LCD. I saw a second button that said On/Off
and flipped it. Nothing. What's with this crazy camera?? Dead
battery?

Shay leaned over to me and whispered, "Remember, it doesn't have
the LIVE PREVIEW..." Ohhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhh!!! Totally forgot about
that.

So I placed the camera up to my head and looked through the
viewfinder, ready for that picture-window view of the outside
world. . . but . . . NOTHING. Doggone it! What's the matter with
this stupid camera????

I then SLOWWWWWLY pulled the camera down from my face, as if I was
studying the features and buttons, carefully glancing sideways to
see if the rep was laughing at me. He wasn't, thank goodness.
Meanwhile, I returned my attention to the object of my frustration.
And then it hit me: I had the crazy lenscap still ON THE CAMERA.
I'm not accustomed to lenscaps, you see. So I removed that.

NOWWWWW I was ready to take pictures. So I snapped a few. I was
able to move around the menus pretty good. Very much like my G3 in
many ways. I have other observations, but I'll save those for
another thread. Let's get back to my suffering, first.

You see, it wasn't over.

The penultimate blow came when I started to finish up my session. I
asked Shay if he wanted to take another last look (he'd already
taken a test shot). He was done, and so I handed the camera back to
the rep.

Shay whispered to me, "Do you want to get your memory card out of
the camera?"

OHHHHHHH YEAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

The 10D left me a bruised and utterly battered man. It was
horrible, Cara. Just horrible.
Cara Davis Conomos said:
Uly - I'm dying to know what happened!
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Ulysses
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Um....Nothing?

Well, the only thing I miss is having a fixed 2.0 / 2.4 lens. That was pretty damned sweet. I shoot with a 3.5 / 5.6 28-80mm Canon EF lens at the moment, or a 28-135mm with the same basic apeture. Most of the time I use a Speedlight strobe so that's okay.

But I miss the highspeed lens. Of course I am planning to buy a couple of fixed 2.8's from Canon, as soon as I can pop for $1,250 a lens.

Larry

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The 10D's quick focussing and 0 shutter lag, coupled with the image appearing immediately on the LCD with the histogram to allow quick adjustment does a lot to nullify the live preview. I thought it would be the feature I would miss the most but it didn't hqappen.

Once I got familiar with the 10d and how each lens performs I grew very confident in the outcome and rarely need to check the image review on the LCD. I find the 10D is very consistant.
John
Ulysses said:
Andrew Van Beek said:
I'm supposed to be getting mine this Monday and expect that it will
take a little while to get accustomed to the comparatively complex
interface. When I reach the point where I am comfortable with it, I
will give a full report.
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Ulysses
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I felt the same way for a couple weeks too .

The learning curve can be a bit difficult for some of us , however I was determined to stick with it and learn how to use the camera properly. Obviously something I never did with my old Minolta 7000 film camera set on P mode all the time.

My 10D is now almost 100% on manual . I have learned a lot and still need to learn much more but my keepers have substantially increased.

The 10D will definitely make a better photographer out of you if you learn to use it out of the auto modes.
John
GPSteve said:
Regards,
Steve
JoeSchmoe said:
about your F7*7? And don't say the STF because that's a given.

I ask because there are two features of the F717 that are deal
breakers from me and that keep me (aside from the money and bulky
equipment) from going DSLR: live preview with live histogram, and
movie mode. Yeah, I know, what kind of a photographer am I if I
choose a camera because it has a good movie mode? Well, I mostly
photograph my family and friends, and it's nearly priceless having
the ability to take video clips of memorable moments without
lugging around another toy.

Thanks.

Joe
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John,

Whether it be a 717, 35mm SLR or a DSLR, have you found that the settings that you choose in manual mode are different from what the camera would have chosen in one of the basic modes?

Also, within the creative modes(A,S,M), I would think that in manual mode it would be a very rare circumstance that would have a photographer choosing settings that that are different from what the camera would choose in either shutter or aperture priority. For example, if you were going to shoot a portrait, you would probably use aperture priority and choose a big aperture to minimize depth of field - in manual mode you would do the same thing and then set the shutter until the camera told you that the exposure was correct. In either case, you would end up with the same settings from the same meter, right?

Lastly, with the 10D, do you always shoot in Raw mode? If so, what software are you using to do the conversion?

Regards,
Steve
johnd1 said:
GPSteve said:
Regards,
Steve
JoeSchmoe said:
about your F7*7? And don't say the STF because that's a given.

I ask because there are two features of the F717 that are deal
breakers from me and that keep me (aside from the money and bulky
equipment) from going DSLR: live preview with live histogram, and
movie mode. Yeah, I know, what kind of a photographer am I if I
choose a camera because it has a good movie mode? Well, I mostly
photograph my family and friends, and it's nearly priceless having
the ability to take video clips of memorable moments without
lugging around another toy.

Thanks.

Joe
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