Initial thoughts on the RX10

I could see it dropping in price eventually, but it took the RX100 over a year to drop $50. I seem to recall at the time it was released that people were similarly saying it was overpriced. Didn't turn out to be the case, though.
 
As already commented in another thread I think that Sony was pretty clever with this price point, just at the borderline between acceptable and exorbitant. As a consequence there will be many people holding back with their order, no that much because of the price but to wait and see whether the camera delivers the promised / supposed goods.
 
Michael Fritzen wrote:

As already commented in another thread I think that Sony was pretty clever with this price point, just at the borderline between acceptable and exorbitant. As a consequence there will be many people holding back with their order, no that much because of the price but to wait and see whether the camera delivers the promised / supposed goods.
I'm inclined to agree with you, however, the Sony Coolpix A still sells for full price ($1099), and I thought it would drop like a stone. Shows what I know.

I think if most of us were honest, this is all the camera we really need most of the time.

The biggest disappointment is the terrible 3-frame +/- 2/3 bracketing. WHY, SONY???
 
I hope the RX200 will get this fast processor, video upgrades and ND filter. That is what I will wait for.
 
cgarrard wrote:
honeyiscool wrote:

I'm a bit perplexed by the lack of an articulated screen. Does it flip 180 at least?
Remember, Canon has intellectual property on that kind of screen.

Yes it flips down and up.

Carl

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I don't care if it flips up and down. Does it go 180? I haven't seen any proof that it does.
 
honeyiscool wrote:
cgarrard wrote:
honeyiscool wrote:

I'm a bit perplexed by the lack of an articulated screen. Does it flip 180 at least?
Remember, Canon has intellectual property on that kind of screen.

Yes it flips down and up.

Carl

http://www.photographic-central.blogspot.com (Gear reviews)
http://www.carlgarrard.blogspot.com/ (Best work compilation)
Also formerly AlphaMountWorld.com (Now off the web)
I don't care if it flips up and down. Does it go 180? I haven't seen any proof that it does.
From all I've seen, I don't believe it does. However, it does allow your smartphone to be used as a non-attached viewfinder from up to 50' away. That may be a good workaround for many (but not all) applications.
 
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I am very excited about this camera. The RX100 was great for video, but this could really be an amazing video camera with that constant aperture and audio line in!

What I'm curious to know is if the stabilization is improved over the typical "steadyshot" when they say "3 axis stabilization" or if it's about the same as you get with a stabilized NEX lens or RX100.
 
Len_Gee wrote:

Do you see this cam as a MFT or P&S Bridge Superzoom killer?
Not at that price. Also, the Bridge Superzoom has longer reach for those not looking for the best pic quality. The MFT has the flexibility and picture quality going for them.

Personally, I'm gonna take a good look at this RX10 when it shows up. Really like the combination.
 
The initial specs are great, and, assuming that IQ and lens sharpness are very good, it is a very appealing camera.

But I have to wonder how many people in the market for a compact camera will consider paying U.S. $1300 for one? For those users knowledgeable enough to appreciate what the RX10 can do, won't they want the capabilities of what $1300 can buy in the DSLR market? Especially since those who can appreciate the RX10 probably already have an investment in a camera system, as I do? $1300 would buy some very nice goodies for my DSLR. :-)
 
SantaFeBill wrote:

The initial specs are great, and, assuming that IQ and lens sharpness are very good, it is a very appealing camera.

But I have to wonder how many people in the market for a compact camera will consider paying U.S. $1300 for one? For those users knowledgeable enough to appreciate what the RX10 can do, won't they want the capabilities of what $1300 can buy in the DSLR market? Especially since those who can appreciate the RX10 probably already have an investment in a camera system, as I do? $1300 would buy some very nice goodies for my DSLR. :-)

I pre-ordered the RX10 about an hour ago. In my opinion, $1300 will not buy anything in the DSLR market that can match the RX10. I already have two Nikons - and I can't even think of what of Nikon I could buy to not be tempted by this Sony. To me, it looks like Sony is going to have a very good 2014.
 
Sean Nelson wrote:
cgarrard wrote:
honeyiscool wrote:

I'm a bit perplexed by the lack of an articulated screen. Does it flip 180 at least?
Remember, Canon has intellectual property on that kind of screen.\
No it doesn't. Panasonic and Nikon also have cameras with this type of screen.
Just because they use that kind of screen doesn't mean they don't pay a royalty too or risk infringement otherwise. Check your facts first please before replying.

Carl


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http://www.carlgarrard.blogspot.com/ (Best work compilation)
Also formerly AlphaMountWorld.com (Now off the web)
 
honeyiscool wrote:
cgarrard wrote:
honeyiscool wrote:

I'm a bit perplexed by the lack of an articulated screen. Does it flip 180 at least?
Remember, Canon has intellectual property on that kind of screen.

Yes it flips down and up.

Carl

http://www.photographic-central.blogspot.com (Gear reviews)
http://www.carlgarrard.blogspot.com/ (Best work compilation)
Also formerly AlphaMountWorld.com (Now off the web)
I don't care if it flips up and down. Does it go 180? I haven't seen any proof that it does.
Nope.
 
SantaFeBill wrote:
But I have to wonder how many people in the market for a compact camera will consider paying U.S. $1300 for one? For those users knowledgeable enough to appreciate what the RX10 can do, won't they want the capabilities of what $1300 can buy in the DSLR market? Especially since those who can appreciate the RX10 probably already have an investment in a camera system, as I do? $1300 would buy some very nice goodies for my DSLR. :-)
Show me any zoom lens with a 24mm - 200mm range at a constant f/2.4 aperture. Show me anything, at any price.

I think that's the real ticket for this camera -- that lens. DSLR lenses with anywhere near that kind of zoom range are just massively slow beasts at the long end.

Find anything in a constant-aperture zoom lens for a DSLR system, and let us know the price you find. That'll make the RX10 look like an absolute bargain.


Tom Hoots
 
cgarrard wrote:
Sean Nelson wrote:
cgarrard wrote:
honeyiscool wrote:

I'm a bit perplexed by the lack of an articulated screen. Does it flip 180 at least?
Remember, Canon has intellectual property on that kind of screen.\
No it doesn't. Panasonic and Nikon also have cameras with this type of screen.
Just because they use that kind of screen doesn't mean they don't pay a royalty too or risk infringement otherwise. Check your facts first please before replying.
Whether they pay a royalty or not is irrelevant - if they can do it then so can Sony. It's not something that's exclusive to Canon cameras.
 
Sony is hoping the more-money-mojo that has worked so far for the RX1 and RX100 platforms will apply to the RX10, as it's mining the same formula: Larger / Better than expected sensor and image quality for a product in their market segment, riding behind serious Zeiss glass. Worked so far, hasn't it?

These 'bridge' or 'superzoom' or whatever you want to call them are Swiss Army Knife cameras for guys that don't want (for whatever reason) to wade into the various DSLR formats. I own a Fuji X-S1 and it's very good for what it is: I travel very light, go from super macro to 600mm reach in an instant, and it's built like a tank. It can have great results if I do my homework, but it's still a small sensor.

Just like in cars, 'there's no replacement for displacement', and I am very interested in the idea of an RX sensor package in a metal body lurking behind a fixed Zeiss 24-200 f 2.8 lens. Take this camera, a spare battery (WHEN is Sony going to STOP with this in-camera recharging silliness?) and card, a dedicated hotshoe flash, and you're good to go. That's travelling real light.

As far as it not reaching out to 600mm, well, my X-S (like most) gets fairly soft after 300mm, and I'll trade for the bigger sensor, 200mm reach, and constant aperture.

It's not cheap, but IF an equivalent lens for Oly or Canon or Nikon DSLR bodies existed, it would cost easily more than this. Now to see IF this can deliver results like its other RX brothers.



All the Best,


JW
 
The Dimage A2 was great, but a bit let down by the lens (and the sensor from todays perspective). Now we get this, which so much better in any direction. I am still not sure I will get it, but it shook up my decision making of the last few months ...

Regards
 
Sean Nelson wrote:
cgarrard wrote:
Sean Nelson wrote:
cgarrard wrote:
honeyiscool wrote:

I'm a bit perplexed by the lack of an articulated screen. Does it flip 180 at least?
Remember, Canon has intellectual property on that kind of screen.\
No it doesn't. Panasonic and Nikon also have cameras with this type of screen.
Just because they use that kind of screen doesn't mean they don't pay a royalty too or risk infringement otherwise. Check your facts first please before replying.
Whether they pay a royalty or not is irrelevant - if they can do it then so can Sony. It's not something that's exclusive to Canon cameras.
It costs them money to do it and that weighs heavily on a design decision. I'm not saying that the screen isn't valuable, or making excuses for Sony, I'm simply pointing out the facts that lie behind the scene.

Things aren't always as simple as they seem to us camera users.


There is also the argument of the flip up/down vs. the flip and twist style, and which consumers want the most. Some prefer one type, some prefer the other. I don't think one is superior to the other, they both have pro's and cons.

Noted though that you are all for a flip and twist type, and that's your desire. I respect that. All I'm saying is that its bigger choice for Sony that people might think.


Carl


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http://www.carlgarrard.blogspot.com/ (Best work compilation)
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Tom Hoots wrote:
SantaFeBill wrote:

But I have to wonder how many people in the market for a compact camera will consider paying U.S. $1300 for one? For those users knowledgeable enough to appreciate what the RX10 can do, won't they want the capabilities of what $1300 can buy in the DSLR market? Especially since those who can appreciate the RX10 probably already have an investment in a camera system, as I do? $1300 would buy some very nice goodies for my DSLR. :-)
Show me any zoom lens with a 24mm - 200mm range at a constant f/2.4 aperture. Show me anything, at any price.
f2.8 aperture (think you meant that/typo)
I think that's the real ticket for this camera -- that lens. DSLR lenses with anywhere near that kind of zoom range are just massively slow beasts at the long end.
That and the wide angle, to me the real ticket is having 24-200mm. I always wanted wider on the F828.
Find anything in a constant-aperture zoom lens for a DSLR system, and let us know the price you find. That'll make the RX10 look like an absolute bargain.

Tom Hoots
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Yes the lens makes this camera able to do things in light that would cost a DSLR system much money and inconvenience to match.

Carl
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http://www.carlgarrard.blogspot.com/ (Best work compilation)
Also formerly AlphaMountWorld.com (Now off the web)
 
Gaijin Tourist wrote:

Sony is hoping the more-money-mojo that has worked so far for the RX1 and RX100 platforms will apply to the RX10, as it's mining the same formula: Larger / Better than expected sensor and image quality for a product in their market segment, riding behind serious Zeiss glass. Worked so far, hasn't it?
I wouldn't say its that simple. Add a magnesium body, constant f/2.8 aperture, weather sealing... this camera is earning its price right there. To me they have created the "premium" superzoom, nobody has ever come close to this camera in terms of capability or build etc... in this class camera before. Sony are showing they can make very high quality products that appeal to enthusiasts, particularly the Cybershot division who of late, really seem to have the pulse of the prosumer/pro/enthusiast.
These 'bridge' or 'superzoom' or whatever you want to call them are Swiss Army Knife cameras for guys that don't want (for whatever reason) to wade into the various DSLR formats. I own a Fuji X-S1 and it's very good for what it is: I travel very light, go from super macro to 600mm reach in an instant, and it's built like a tank. It can have great results if I do my homework, but it's still a small sensor.
Yeah the XS1 is the closest thing to it, but handling the two, you'd chuff at the Fuji and put it down never to pick it up again (despite the extra range it has). Trust me on that.
Just like in cars, 'there's no replacement for displacement', and I am very interested in the idea of an RX sensor package in a metal body lurking behind a fixed Zeiss 24-200 f 2.8 lens. Take this camera, a spare battery (WHEN is Sony going to STOP with this in-camera recharging silliness?) and card, a dedicated hotshoe flash, and you're good to go. That's travelling real light.
Its as near perfect for a travel cam that doesn't fit into your pocket (key), as I've seen yet in over 12 years of paying attention to the digital camera market.
As far as it not reaching out to 600mm, well, my X-S (like most) gets fairly soft after 300mm, and I'll trade for the bigger sensor, 200mm reach, and constant aperture.
And better IQ. Diminishing returns over 300mm I say.
It's not cheap, but IF an equivalent lens for Oly or Canon or Nikon DSLR bodies existed, it would cost easily more than this. Now to see IF this can deliver results like its other RX brothers.
It will sell at $999.00 soon, just watch. 6 months or so, maybe. I think that the price people will start to shell out for.
All the Best,

JW
Carl
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http://www.carlgarrard.blogspot.com/ (Best work compilation)
Also formerly AlphaMountWorld.com (Now off the web)
 
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ShatteredSky wrote:

The Dimage A2 was great, but a bit let down by the lens (and the sensor from todays perspective). Now we get this, which so much better in any direction. I am still not sure I will get it, but it shook up my decision making of the last few months ...

Regards
 

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