Least expensive notebook that rivals Retna Display?

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I'm looking for a 13-15" notebook that has truly great color that doesn't cost a fortune. Used is fine and could be an older model with a slower processor as long as it has an amazing display.

Which models should I consider?
 
Hmmm, this is a really hard one. Any laptop is going to have a less then perfect screen.

The Retina displays are hyped a little too much in my opinion, but they are the nicest ones out there. I would look for a year or two old 15in macbook new in box. ANY used display will not have the same color reproduction as a new display. The beauty of the non-retina macbooks, is the ability to take out the base hard drive and optical/DVD drive to put in a 500gb SSD and 1 tb internal HDD. Then get a screen calibrator and use it.

Then, to do it right, get yourself a nice color correct monitor (could be very pricy) or something like a Dell Ultrasharp (I use 2 x 27in versions)

Unfortunately, manufactures do not put the best reference displays in laptops, they would rather have a thinner and better looking display then one that will render your colors accurately. What every you end up going with, get a monitor calibration system. The best monitor is garbage if it is calibrated wrong.
 
JVPhotography wrote:

I'm looking for a 13-15" notebook that has truly great color that doesn't cost a fortune. Used is fine and could be an older model with a slower processor as long as it has an amazing display.

Which models should I consider?
"Retina" in Apple terminology refers to resolution in pixels per inch. A display which has so many more pixels than normal, that most people can't distinguish individual pixels from normal viewing distance, is a "Retina" display. Frequently Apple uses panels that double the pixel count (of non-Retina predecessor machines) in each direction. So 1440x900 pixels becomes 2880x1800 pixels. In "best" resolution mode, the extra pixels are used for extra detail, not extra work area.

Some laptops with Retina-class displays:

Apple Retina MacBook Pro

Dell XPS 15 laptop (some models)
Samsung Series 9 laptops (some models)
Toshiba KIRAbook
There's also the Chromebook Pixel, but it doesn't run Windows or Mac OS X. It is just a client for accessing Google's cloud.

As far as color quality, you'll need to search out and read reviews. Many laptops with ultra-high-resolution screens also use IPS panels (desirable; provides reduced color shift over wide viewing angles), but even among IPS screens, things like sRGB coverage, gloss, etc. can vary.
 
If you are considering a Retina MacBook Pro (say a 13-inch one, for price reasons), note that the current MacBook Pro line is due for a refresh. There are rumors that this may happen before the end of this month.

It's probably worth holding out for the new ones, since the upgrades are likely to include Haswell CPUs (lower power consumption, greater battery life) and PCI-E-attached SSDs (faster than SATA-attached ones). But I have already seen modest sales (e. g., $100 off the list price of "stock" 13" rMBPs) on current machines.
 
Tom_N wrote:

As far as color quality, you'll need to search out and read reviews. Many laptops with ultra-high-resolution screens also use IPS panels (desirable; provides reduced color shift over wide viewing angles), but even among IPS screens, things like sRGB coverage, gloss, etc. can vary.
Yes, I'm curious how good the latest super high resolution displays like in the XPS15 (and other recent laptops and tablets) are, given the very high price for external monitors with similar resolution (and the system requirements, my current PC system doesn't even support such high resolutions from HDMI output). I haven't seen any in-depth reviews of these new 'Retina grade' PC laptop screens, but there are several options available before end of the year.

Some recent tablets like the Nexus 7 2013 seem to have pretty high display quality, close to monitors that cost the same as the whole Nexus device. Sometimes a big display is convenient, but if you need very high resolution a laptop or tablet could be a better choice at the moment.
 
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This Samsung model costs only $50 less than a Macbook Pro Retina. Admittedly it has a wider screen (more pixels) but on the downside you get Windows 8 instead of Mac OS X.
Ron AKA wrote:

may be worth a look. Review here. Appears to blow away the Mac Retina for resolution. Price is somewhat lower. Keep in mind thatSamsung and LG make the Retina displays for Apple, so they obviously know how to do it.
 
CAcreeks wrote:

This Samsung model costs only $50 less than a Macbook Pro Retina. Admittedly it has a wider screen (more pixels) but on the downside you get Windows 8 instead of Mac OS X.
Many would not say that is a downside...
 
Ron AKA wrote:
This Samsung model costs only $50 less than a Macbook Pro Retina. Admittedly it has a wider screen (more pixels) but on the downside you get Windows 8 instead of Mac OS X.
Many would not say that is a downside...
Right, with Macbook you don't get a touchscreen. Although if you ask me Windows is far more of a PITA than Mac OS X.

I believe it is possible to install Windows 7 on Macbook Pro Retina hardware. Retina laptops are available used now for a somewhat reasonable amount.

http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-7-tested-on-retina-display-macbook-pro-how-good-is-it
 
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Variants of Asus UX32VD that carry a 1080p IPS panel covering %99 sRGB are sold for about $1000 nowadays. I have one and replaced the HDD with a 256GB Samsung SSD drive and upgraded the RAM to 10GB. These expenses added $200 to the cost.

Comparing the Asus side by side a my friend's 15" Retina MBP, they are equally good to my eyes except that the Asus display is more in needs of color calibration out of the box than the MBP display.
 
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Also the recent model: Asus Zenbook Infinity UX301LA
  • 2560x1440 IPS
  • i7 Haswell ULT 28W Core i7-4558U
  • Intel Iris 5100 Graphics (GT3e)
  • Gorilla Glass 3 Exterior
  • Windows 8.1
"It comes with a premium IPS panel made by Sharp. Not only is the resolution top-notch: An impressive contrast ratio of 2138:1 due to its equally impressive black levels of 0.196 cd/m² is much better than anything the competition has to offer. Even high-end devices rarely exceed the range between 700:1 and 1000:1 (MacBook Pro 13 Retina: 836:1)."

"The sRGB color space is narrowly missed, but still, color space rendition is good enough so that photographers and graphic designers should be able to work with the device."

Taken fromReview Asus Zenbook Infinity UX301LA Ultrabook.

Too bad, I don't like glossy screens but otherwise, I would have liked it.
 
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I have an Intel quad core PC desktop, an IPad, an Iphone 5 but none of those will really do what I need done.

I need a mobile DISPLAY machine, so that I can show my clients my images on a color corrected monitor out in the field. It needs Wifi so I can connect to my website, and that's really about all.

I won't be doing any editing on this machine at all but I need the screen larger than an Ipad because often there are more that one person viewing this display at a time and for that reason IPS makes sense.

I have been looking at the zenbook ux31a but may just end up with a 15" Macbook and be done.
 
JVPhotography wrote:

I have an Intel quad core PC desktop, an IPad, an Iphone 5 but none of those will really do what I need done.

I need a mobile DISPLAY machine, so that I can show my clients my images on a color corrected monitor out in the field. It needs Wifi so I can connect to my website, and that's really about all.

I won't be doing any editing on this machine at all but I need the screen larger than an Ipad because often there are more that one person viewing this display at a time and for that reason IPS makes sense.

I have been looking at the zenbook ux31a but may just end up with a 15" Macbook and be done.
In that case, do you really need a laptop? I am looking for the same, just a display machine but with high resolution and reliable color. My first thought would be a tablet like the Nexus 7 (2013), because it has a high quality IPS display (apparently with pretty accurate color) for very little money; if only it had an SD slot. I doubt any afforable laptop (including the 'Retina' types) has more accurate color (and screen uniformity etc. etc.) than the Nexus 7 2013, they all have some issues compared to standalone displays.

Too bad if you really need larger display size, as a 8" tablet is far more portable than a laptop (and just like a camera, the best one is the one you have with you). If you really need a lot more than 10", a 13-15" laptop may be the best choice now. But there are larger tablets on the way, some of them also with very high resolutions (IZGO display).
 
When I was in the market for a laptop, Asus UX32VD-DH71 seemed the best option in my price range: at a price nearly half of a rMBP, it has an LCD display that rivals that of the rMBP, is ultra portable and is possible to upgrade its hard drive and ram. There are 15" laptops with quality LCD such as HP Elite and Dell Precision lines but they are more expensive and way heavier.

So maybe you don't need a laptop as the other responder said. But i am not aware of portable displays that can be connected to your tablet/laptop whenever you need to do a presentation. Alternatively, you can just detach any LCD monitor from its stand and carry it along with you in a protective costume case.
 
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raminolta wrote:

When I was in the market for a laptop, Asus UX32VD-DH71 seemed the best option in my price range: at a price nearly half of a rMBP, it has an LCD display that rivals that of the rMBP, is ultra portable and is possible to upgrade its hard drive and ram.
Let's double-check those price and screen claims.

Amazon wants $1204 for an Asus UX32VD-DH71 with 4 GB of RAM and a 500 GB mechanical hard drive, or $1380 for one with 4 GB of RAM and a 256 SSD. A 13" Retina Macbook Pro custom-configured with a dual-core i7 and a 256 GB SSD and 8 GB of RAM goes for $1900. If the Asus was half the price of the Retina MBP, it would be $950, not $1380.

As for the LCD display, the Asus display has 1920x1080 pixel resolution, not 2560x1600 pixel resolution of the 13" Retina MBP display.
 
JVPhotography wrote:

I'm looking for a 13-15" notebook that has truly great color that doesn't cost a fortune. Used is fine and could be an older model with a slower processor as long as it has an amazing display.

Which models should I consider?
This is aprox 50% price of a RMBP, has i7, 2gb graphics, dual HD, 32GB ssd, blu ray, 90%+ SRGB uncalibrated and a 17inch FHD matt screen with pretty good viewing angles, ie you dont need it perfectly aligned to your eye-position, you should get decent consistency for normal seating positions. But its bigger and heavier than a MBP but the mac doesnt have a 17inch screen?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Inspiron-17R-SE-7720-Notebook.80063.0.html
 
Tom_N wrote:
raminolta wrote:

When I was in the market for a laptop, Asus UX32VD-DH71 seemed the best option in my price range: at a price nearly half of a rMBP, it has an LCD display that rivals that of the rMBP, is ultra portable and is possible to upgrade its hard drive and ram.
Let's double-check those price and screen claims.

Amazon wants $1204 for an Asus UX32VD-DH71 with 4 GB of RAM and a 500 GB mechanical hard drive, or $1380 for one with 4 GB of RAM and a 256 SSD. A 13" Retina Macbook Pro custom-configured with a dual-core i7 and a 256 GB SSD and 8 GB of RAM goes for $1900. If the Asus was half the price of the Retina MBP, it would be $950, not $1380.

As for the LCD display, the Asus display has 1920x1080 pixel resolution, not 2560x1600 pixel resolution of the 13" Retina MBP display.
But does the MBP really have 2560x1600, @13inch you would not be able to read anything? I think you'll find its actually a lot less than that and all the rest is pixel scaling and doubling? A full HD display on a 15inch machine is actually quite small to read and much better suited to a 17inch. The retina really provides better dpi, a bit like a printer head squeezing more pixels into a given area? At some stage its doesnt matter and honestly its probably better judging images and photos on a good 17inch laptop with a good coverage of srgb in Full HD? I have never seen a comparison but a FHD matt screen on a quality laptop PC vs a MBP would be interesting to see what extra the MBP delivers?
 
Advent1sam wrote:

But does the MBP really have 2560x1600, @13inch you would not be able to read anything? I think you'll find its actually a lot less than that and all the rest is pixel scaling and doubling? A full HD display on a 15inch machine is actually quite small to read and much better suited to a 17inch. The retina really provides better dpi, a bit like a printer head squeezing more pixels into a given area?
We already have FullHD on 8 inch tablet screens (and probably even on 5 inch smartphones?) and most users really appreciate the extra resolution for displaying images. A laptop screen with 3200x1800 pixel resolution sounds great to me as well, being a photographer.

You use the smaller devices closer to your eye, there are no absolute requirements for resolution. If you use the device for reading and text entry the 'work distance' becomes more important than absolute resolution, in that case a laptop is probably not the best idea anyway. But even in that case the extra crisp text should help with reading. Similar story with those who are claiming that 55 inch 4K TV screens don't make sense as 'you can't see the extra resolution'. Turns out almost everyone with good eyesight can see the difference with suitable source material, even on 30-40 inch 4K screens - it just depends on the viewing conditions.

But I admit that with the latest screens stuff like color accuracy, viewing angles, contrast, backlight uniformity, glare etc. may become more important than resolution.
 
Rumors indicate that on Oct 22nd Apple will announce a larger iPad, which would meet your needs nicely.

Hope so, my wife and I want one!

I believe there are large-screen Android tablets, but I don't really follow closely. The 7" form factor is a waste of time IMO.
JVPhotography wrote:

I have an Intel quad core PC desktop, an IPad, an Iphone 5 but none of those will really do what I need done.

I need a mobile DISPLAY machine, so that I can show my clients my images on a color corrected monitor out in the field. It needs Wifi so I can connect to my website, and that's really about all.

I won't be doing any editing on this machine at all but I need the screen larger than an Ipad because often there are more that one person viewing this display at a time and for that reason IPS makes sense.

I have been looking at the zenbook ux31a but may just end up with a 15" Macbook and be done.
 
CAcreeks wrote:

I believe there are large-screen Android tablets, but I don't really follow closely. The 7" form factor is a waste of time IMO.
I find 7-8" tablets potentially interesting for image display, because they are much smaller/lighter and cheaper (not such a big deal if it is lost as with laptop or big highend tablet) compared to the 10"ones. Guess it depends on the type of photography, but if you show images to friends/family or sell images for applications like postcards, images in books etc. the small size is no problem at all (assuming a high quality display, not a crappy ipad mini screen).

Many casual users are not comfortable with holding a standard iPad for viewing more than a few images, I often hear comments about high weight.

Btw, small high quality tablets are also nice for additional applications like remote camera control or checking critical images, as they are small enough to include in a standard camera bag.

For Android some 12" models are on the way. If that is not enough there is the Windows 8.1 Pro 20" 4K tablet from Panasonic ;-)
 

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