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I know that I'm almost certainly going to be posting LESS because of this. Advertisers probably won't like that. I can't speak for what others will do, though.

As far as "enforcement", Phil has been EXTREMELY lax in this area. Even after his recent "reminder", I've seen no messages moved from here to Open Talk. Not that I blame him for not doing so.

He's certainly welcome to make his own rules, and enforce them as he sees fit. I would only comment that rules which are rarely enforced typically don't get followed. And seemingly arbitrary enforcement usually doesn't go over too well with most folks.
koalafarm said:
That Phil is running a business, not a charity, not a commune.
His rules make business sense.
If you are a potential advertiser or even investor and you wanted
to see how much people were talking about the Epson 2200 - and you
didn't see a lot because the knowledgeable posters like DavidP were
posting in the Canon forum, or someone else was posting in the
Nikon forum - what would you think? Not a lot of information in
the printer forum..

Sure, they look at the numbers, but any smart person would also
look in the forums, do some searches, etc.

Secondly, if you were Canon and wanted to advertise, and you looked
in the forum and saw posts about politics, rental cars, my order is
delayed, I need a new hard drive and a bunch of other drivel, would
you spend money on Phil?

Are you saying that Phil is wrong to have a rule and wrong to
enforce it? I just don't get it.
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Photography -- just another word for compromise

Banished to: Open Talk, Lighting Technique, Storage and Media, Printers and Printing, Samples and Galleries, etc.

Gonna join me?
 
DavidP wrote:
I would only comment that rules which are rarely
DavidP #28649 said:
enforced typically don't get followed. And seemingly arbitrary
enforcement usually doesn't go over too well with most folks.
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I completely agree. Maybe that is why you feel that you were targeted - high profile, lots of ensuing discussion. Sort of like going after Martha Stewart.
DavidP #28649 said:
koalafarm said:
That Phil is running a business, not a charity, not a commune.
His rules make business sense.
If you are a potential advertiser or even investor and you wanted
to see how much people were talking about the Epson 2200 - and you
didn't see a lot because the knowledgeable posters like DavidP were
posting in the Canon forum, or someone else was posting in the
Nikon forum - what would you think? Not a lot of information in
the printer forum..

Sure, they look at the numbers, but any smart person would also
look in the forums, do some searches, etc.

Secondly, if you were Canon and wanted to advertise, and you looked
in the forum and saw posts about politics, rental cars, my order is
delayed, I need a new hard drive and a bunch of other drivel, would
you spend money on Phil?

Are you saying that Phil is wrong to have a rule and wrong to
enforce it? I just don't get it.
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

Banished to: Open Talk, Lighting Technique, Storage and Media,
Printers and Printing, Samples and Galleries, etc.

Gonna join me?
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koalafarm said:
koalafarm said:
enforced typically don't get followed. And seemingly arbitrary
enforcement usually doesn't go over too well with most folks.
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I completely agree. Maybe that is why you feel that you were
targeted - high profile, lots of ensuing discussion. Sort of like
going after Martha Stewart.
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

Banished to: Open Talk, Lighting Technique, Storage and Media, Printers and Printing, Samples and Galleries, etc.

Gonna join me?
 
koalafarm said:
Are you saying that Phil is wrong to have a rule and wrong to
enforce it? I just don't get it.
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to enforce his rules.

I realize that it is his forum and he can do as his pleases. I respect that. He specifically states that he reserves the right to remove or relocate any message. I don't see any rule covering OT posts.

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Bob Poole
 
koalafarm said:
That Phil is running a business, not a charity, not a commune.
His rules make business sense.
Are you saying that Phil is wrong to have a rule and wrong to
enforce it? I just don't get it.
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Reread the rules! There is NO rule that says anything about OT posts or that a printer post MUST be in the printer forum or that any type of post belongs in a certain forum. You made up these rules and are now trying to justify your own bigoted view of how others should post.

Enforcing rules that don't exist is not something you will get support for.
Give it a rest.
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Doug Walker
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Mr. Pope you should get down your high mighty chair and take off
your crown. For a Pro you lack any humanity. I have consdiently read
your messages about what you think about a newbie. You must have
been born a Pro and never had ask a silly question in your life. If you
have a problem then moved over to the PRO forum and rub sholders
with your other PRO peers! They you can feel right at home because
you all are high and mightly!
Member said:
this forum to the depths of mediocrity
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Frankly then non-newbies are not spending 24 hours a day 7 days a
week in this forum repling to EVERY message posted here! They
add nothing to the discussion execpt they feel important! This is why
this place is turn into mediocrity!

Bill
 
There are two written rules:

1. No flames and attacks. You violated that one twice now. Still waiting for an apology.

2. Be Civil - Again - you started an entire thread on your attack. Still waiting for an apology.

And no, despite your abusive attacks, I did not report it to Phil...but I know that others did.

There is common sense that Phil obviously supported by moving the OT posts. He has posted on this before. Post Canon stuff in a Canon forum, printer stuff in a printer forum. Why is that so hard to understand?
Doug Walker said:
koalafarm said:
That Phil is running a business, not a charity, not a commune.
His rules make business sense.
Are you saying that Phil is wrong to have a rule and wrong to
enforce it? I just don't get it.
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Reread the rules! There is NO rule that says anything about OT
posts or that a printer post MUST be in the printer forum or that
any type of post belongs in a certain forum. You made up these
rules and are now trying to justify your own bigoted view of how
others should post.

Enforcing rules that don't exist is not something you will get
support for.
Give it a rest.
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Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
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I never reported the post to Phil - I just asked that the posts try to remain at least remotely related to Canon SLR.
And Kiran asked that people try to have a subject line that matches the content.

So why are you so bent out of shape?

Would you be happier with a forum filled with completely irrelevant OT posts and random subject lines?

Phil moved the posts because of how he felt about it - why is that so hard for you to understand and respect?
koalafarm said:
Doug Walker said:
koalafarm said:
That Phil is running a business, not a charity, not a commune.
His rules make business sense.
Are you saying that Phil is wrong to have a rule and wrong to
enforce it? I just don't get it.
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Reread the rules! There is NO rule that says anything about OT
posts or that a printer post MUST be in the printer forum or that
any type of post belongs in a certain forum. You made up these
rules and are now trying to justify your own bigoted view of how
others should post.

Enforcing rules that don't exist is not something you will get
support for.
Give it a rest.
--
Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
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William C said:
Mr. Pope you should get down your high mighty chair and take off
your crown. For a Pro you lack any humanity. I have consdiently read
your messages about what you think about a newbie. You must have
been born a Pro and never had ask a silly question in your life.
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Off hand I can't recall Paul attacking a newbie. That said, there are plenty of n00bs who can't get something to work, then immediately finds somewhere to ask questions instead of simply thumbing through the manual that came with their kit. That's just plain wasting everyone's time and subsequently invites flames.

For an informative discussion of this phenomena: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Rune, http://runesbike.com/
 
If they'd just scrolled off the page in 20 minutes, they'd be no big deal. Apparently people ARE interested in them.
William C said:
You Want More Of Those Boring Messages?
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

Banished to: Open Talk, Lighting Technique, Storage and Media, Printers and Printing, Samples and Galleries, etc.

Gonna join me?
 
My original post was an "either/or" which included one other individual and not exclusive to you. If you say you weren't the one, then that'll have to stand. However, the rules you claim Phil is enforcing by singling out Davidp's posts are nonexistent. Your continued reference to these nonexistent rules to bolster your argument makes you appear as a forum ****. Common sense does not automatically equal a hard and fast rule yet you seem to be stuck on this whole idea of OT posts and where they belong. There are many very knowledgable people here who don't have a problem with OT posts and don't have a problem with Davidp (yours truly included). This is a community of sorts and it would behoove you to be a part of it instead of trying to control it.

Over time I have tried posting questions in other forums such as the Retouching forum, the Storage and Media forum and the Printers and Printing forum. Either the questions go unanswered or days pass before someone tries to answer. I even broke the forum rules by bumping the post trying to get answers. However, I have always had my questions answered here within, at most, a few hours by some very knowledgable individuals including Davip. Others have figured this out as well and that's why most don't venture outside this forum to get their question answered. You have not been part of this forum long enough to have figured this out. The Canon SLR forum is populated by the some of the most knowledgable people on dpreview.com IMO.

Phil's moving of David's post and the resulting banishment threat is not supported by any rule and was probably a reaction to someone's inapproapriate whining.

Now go out and take some pictures and start posting some pertinent info to this forum. It would be welcome.

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Doug Walker
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are established for both those who wish to post here and for Phil to use as a basis to take action. Since there is no rule about OT posts or where posts belong according to content, it follows that there is no basis for an argument against OT posts or for Phil to take any action against them. Phil has the right to police his forum anyway he chooses but I also believe Phil was in error in enforcing nonexistent forum rules and that it was not intentionally a random act but instead was in response to inappropriate whining by someone who is simply anal retentive.
You should give this a rest now. There is no basis for your argument.

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Doug Walker
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the ability to post relavent information to this forum and not be harassed by those who want to make up their own rules and have Phil act on those nonexistent rules. Simple as that!

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Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
 
And they're taking up space that could be used for, yes, Canon SLR talk. Keep OT threads in Open -- if it gets less responses for your threads, that's tough luck.

(And yes, I have contributed info in this forum, check my profile.)
DavidP said:
If they'd just scrolled off the page in 20 minutes, they'd be no
big deal. Apparently people ARE interested in them.
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Granted that there are no hard and fast rules about OT. But:

1. There are rules around flaming and personal attacks, both of which you violated.

2. There is accepted behavior also - which is what I was commenting on. Doesn't it make sense to post printer posts in the printer forum?

3. Remember, there is NO RULE that says you have to post pertinent information, or that you are a more valuable member if you post great photos with lots of comments, and yet

Doug Walker wrote:
instead was in response to inappropriate whining
Doug Walker said:
by someone who is simply anal retentive.
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and that was a big assumption as the basis for your personal attack - or do you know for a fact that someone whined to Phil? Did Phil tell you that?
Doug Walker said:
This is a community of sorts and it would behoove you to be a part
of it instead of trying to control it.
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But it is okay for you to try to control it by saying that it is wrong to ask people to stick with the topic of the forum?! Hmmm, no double standard there. LOL!
Doug Walker said:
you have not been part of
this forum long enough to have figured this out.
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Uhhh, I have been here for 2 years. Only posting relatively recently using this name (I lost the password of my original name, but had switched email accounts so I couldn't easily reset it). What I have figured out is that forum used to be a great place for a focused discussion. Now it takes 10 pages to find the "gems of info" that you used to be able to find in 1-2.
Doug Walker said:
Now go out and take some pictures and start posting some pertinent
info to this forum. It would be welcome.
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So, is this a new rule that you are trying to impose? That posting pertinent info is required to be welcomed here. Is posting non-pertinent information NOT welcomed? Gee, like some really OT posts about what kind of toothbrush I should use before I take pictures?

Are you trying to control this forum??!! Are you trying to say what is acceptable. That is my point and my original argument. When I did that, I was accused of ratting someone out and being anal retentive. What does that make you?
Doug Walker said:
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