My FIRST wedding! Results...

RhysM wrote:
I could have said the photo with the "arc" was great, but it's plain to see all the men jumped, he obviously tried to capture them all in mid-air, but either through fault of the men not being able to coordinate the jump together or him not capturing it properly, failed to do so.
If so, I'd call it a happy accident, with a result that is probably better than the one you indicate was intended. An artist is more likely to recognize such a happy accident than is someone who has a "professional" rote routine.
 
Victor Engel wrote:

RhysM wrote:
I could have said the photo with the "arc" was great, but it's plain to see all the men jumped, he obviously tried to capture them all in mid-air, but either through fault of the men not being able to coordinate the jump together or him not capturing it properly, failed to do so.
If so, I'd call it a happy accident, with a result that is probably better than the one you indicate was intended. An artist is more likely to recognize such a happy accident than is someone who has a "professional" rote routine.
 
Pictures are not bad for a first attempt. Too grainy for me.

The big thing is I see once again there was money for a nice dress, a fancy reception, new cars, big church, but when it came to hiring a good experenced photographer they choose not to do it.

As they say you get waht you pay for so let it be
 
GHwell wrote:

Pictures are not bad for a first attempt. Too grainy for me.

The big thing is I see once again there was money for a nice dress, a fancy reception, new cars, big church, but when it came to hiring a good experenced photographer they choose not to do it.

As they say you get waht you pay for so let it be
Actually I can argue that a bit. While the couple did have the money indeed, a while back they asked me to shoot their engagement photos. The bride new me personally, knew I practiced photography and had seen my work before. They liked what I did and thus they were more inclined to give me this job because of that(even with the risk involved). So I'd say its more of a personal taste rather than financial situation..
 
With I was young again to tackle Weddings. Miss them dearly but the legs @ age 62 can't take the pain after 5+ hours of motoring.
 
Some nice ones. Some crappy ones, some don't belong and some are bad because you are new.

Why so many kid pics? A full page one of a kid asleep at a table? SHE hired you? Of course not - its all about the bride and groom - make THEM full page, not the guests and bridal party.

Most of the group shots have heads turned away, heads blocked by others, the jumping groomsman shot is a tad creepy (normally its the whole bridal party) but the one guy has hands in front of his face (bet he's complaining about the photog and that picture!)

Lighting/exposure is bad on some and you have very little of just the B&G, just the bride, bridal party only. This is usually what my brides tell me they want the most of - them, their friends. But then these are the 'hardest' shots to get because YOU have to take control. Pics of 7 year olds is easy - they WANT their picture taken.

Didn't look like a low end event - big church, limo (rolls?), reception site looked like a mansion and I've never seen them go 'cheap'.
So this tells me they had money to spend - but chose not to spend it on photography as that's not important to them.

Sucks to work for clients that don't value what you do. I'm sure they'll be happy because bottom line, they don't care.
If they cared they'd have hire an experienced pro. Ye Olde 'put your money where your heart is'.

And as for not knowing how to use flash and 'pushing buttons till it worked' is VERY IRRESPONSIBLE AND UNPROFESSIONAL - friend or not. For you it's a'fun day shooting pictures' - for the couple it's a year's planning and $20,000 spent on ONE DAY that they (plan, hope) to never do again. It's IMPORTANT and for you (or any photog) to take it lightly and 'learn on the job' and experiment and have no clue on how their equipment works is IMO unforgivable.
 
ask the groomsman with the hands in front of his face what he thinks of the pic.

Whole bridal party? sure. But this is a gay wedding shot IMO. A bit weird in this context.
 
Hello,

For a first wedding, they look fine. You actually did a good job. My 2 (or 3) cents to you are these for next time: 1) spend more time with the B&G alone. Make space for them to be together, set the scene, and photograph from the distance with a long lens. No flash of course. Just set the scene and 'disappear' and let them express their love towards each other.

2) Think about your surroundings. I would have taken the extra 30 seconds to remove the chairs from in front of the B&G at the altar photo.

3) Learn to postprocess well. Skillful postprocessing can make even average images great. Also, think about outsourcing your post processing also if it makes fiscal sense in your case next time.

Your style is just developing, of course, but it's fine. This is how weddings are done these days, except like noted in #1 give B&G some more quality time with you.

Good luck.
 
PenguinPhotoCo wrote:

And as for not knowing how to use flash and 'pushing buttons till it worked' is VERY IRRESPONSIBLE AND UNPROFESSIONAL - friend or not. For you it's a'fun day shooting pictures' - for the couple it's a year's planning and $20,000 spent on ONE DAY that they (plan, hope) to never do again. It's IMPORTANT and for you (or any photog) to take it lightly and 'learn on the job' and experiment and have no clue on how their equipment works is IMO unforgivable.
"Unforgivable?" Oh come on!

If it was so absolutely vital that every photograph was absolutely perfect, then the couple themselves were to blame.

Was your first wedding perfect.
 
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John Motts wrote:
PenguinPhotoCo wrote:

And as for not knowing how to use flash and 'pushing buttons till it worked' is VERY IRRESPONSIBLE AND UNPROFESSIONAL - friend or not. For you it's a'fun day shooting pictures' - for the couple it's a year's planning and $20,000 spent on ONE DAY that they (plan, hope) to never do again. It's IMPORTANT and for you (or any photog) to take it lightly and 'learn on the job' and experiment and have no clue on how their equipment works is IMO unforgivable.
"Unforgivable?" Oh come on!

If it was so absolutely vital that every photograph was absolutely perfect, then the couple themselves were to blame.

Was your first wedding perfect.
First??? How about now. As soon as he cut up the little girl sleeping I knew he can't be serious.

I would bet that the bride and groom had a good laugh at that pic. We were told that he gave them 250 shots and we're not seeing them all.

Yes we know and it feels good to say that he did a great job as a first time wedding shoot.
 
PenguinPhotoCo wrote:

Why so many kid pics? A full page one of a kid asleep at a table? SHE hired you? Of course not - its all about the bride and groom - make THEM full page, not the guests and bridal party.
Weddings are busy things for the bride and groom. I got married a few years ago, and there were numerous details we would have missed -- if not for the photographers going out of the way to get a shot.

Shots like that aren't wasted, if that's what the B&G like. We picked our photographers not only for their skill with the B&G, but finding those other details.
 
Some good shots, some very good shots, some poor shots, and some very poor shots. You know what? I bet you could say the same thing about many of the photographers on this pro forum. I think you struggled on the group shots, which is understandable - those are tough. You also need to watch the background on some shots. But, overall, I'm sure the B&G are very happy! Nice work. Congrats! (I love the little girl sleeping!)

By the way, this was my first...and practically my last...wedding! It's tough! That's for sure.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffseltzer/sets/72157608676054976/
 
Easy - take it again - do two or three jumps.

CHIMP! And do it again.

Unless you have 10fps drive mode is useless. Better to just time it and hit the shutter.

No reason to have a face covered.

Been there done it - dozens of times. It's not hard to get 'action' shots when they're staged and can be done over.
 
John Motts wrote:
PenguinPhotoCo wrote:

And as for not knowing how to use flash and 'pushing buttons till it worked' is VERY IRRESPONSIBLE AND UNPROFESSIONAL - friend or not. For you it's a'fun day shooting pictures' - for the couple it's a year's planning and $20,000 spent on ONE DAY that they (plan, hope) to never do again. It's IMPORTANT and for you (or any photog) to take it lightly and 'learn on the job' and experiment and have no clue on how their equipment works is IMO unforgivable.
"Unforgivable?" Oh come on!

If it was so absolutely vital that every photograph was absolutely perfect, then the couple themselves were to blame.

Was your first wedding perfect.
I knew how to use my equipment.

You want to pracice? Fine - get an orange, go to the dog park, get your wife/kids/hamster to help be a model.

Learning how to use your gear at a live CLIENT event - yes, unforgivable and irresponsible.
 
FULL PAGE IMAGE was my issue.

And having shot 100+ weddings and sold 80 some albums to brides and another 20 to parents I KNOW what they buy.

When shown 400-600 images and told 'pick 75 for your album' the DO NOT pic sleeping children pics. Even when they are cute.

They choose images OF THEMSELVES - NOT the guests, family, bridal party. Sure, group shots of those people.

Dad getting his flower on? Nope.
The BM dancing with his wife? Nope.

I'd say a good 1/3 of the time they don't even pic the garter/boquet shots - only the one of groom removing garter from bride. The rest? Nope, not in their album.

They usually will pic the Jr/flower/ring bearer in a getting ready shot - but reception shot? Nope.
 
These 'other shots' are great memories, you're right. But NOT for the album and certainly not as a full page image.

This isn't a childrens album is it? It's not even THEIR kid. Why then should a full page be dedicate to a niece?

Now, these shots are great at proofs but not for the bridal album.
 
PenguinPhotoCo wrote:

And having shot 100+ weddings and sold 80 some albums to brides and another 20 to parents I KNOW what they buy.

When shown 400-600 images and told 'pick 75 for your album' the DO NOT pic sleeping children pics. Even when they are cute.

They choose images OF THEMSELVES - NOT the guests, family, bridal party. Sure, group shots of those people.

Dad getting his flower on? Nope.
The BM dancing with his wife? Nope.
I get lots of detail shots and lots of guests and family chosen for albums. My clients certainly don't pick just pictures of themselves.

I've done more than 400 weddings and I too know what my clients buy and they obviously vary from photographer to photographer.
 

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