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Kosly,

To be honest, I am not sure what I see here other than a very nice looking lady. Obviously, she has nothing to do with you. The detail is great. I want to knock the range up a bit.

The horizon is level. The textures are good.

You do take great shots of people. Easy and natural.

L
K Joseph said:
Seriously speaking though, you KNOW you have a good camera when you
can actually see some texture in someone's cloths.
K Joseph said:
Green grass thru the eyes of Sigma ;)

http://www.pbase.com/image/17144715.jpg
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
Click to expand...
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
 
:Þ

Alright alright, I won't grovel for 'attention' anymore. On a serious note, I had to post that pic b/c in my humble opinion, the SD9 doesn't have 'problems' capturing greens. the grass looks VERY green to me, much like it did when i took the picture :")
Laurence Matson said:
To be honest, I am not sure what I see here other than a very nice
looking lady. Obviously, she has nothing to do with you. The detail
is great. I want to knock the range up a bit.

The horizon is level. The textures are good.

You do take great shots of people. Easy and natural.

L
K Joseph said:
Seriously speaking though, you KNOW you have a good camera when you
can actually see some texture in someone's cloths.
K Joseph said:
Green grass thru the eyes of Sigma ;)

http://www.pbase.com/image/17144715.jpg
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
Click to expand...
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
Click to expand...
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
 
K Joseph said:
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Very nice! The greens are vivid and accurate. And you are absolutely correct, the distinct/fine texture in the clothing is very realistic and accurately reproduced. In this case, a bayer mosaic sensor would have serious trouble matching the Foveon sensor in terms of accuracy and realism... Now, flame on! :-)

-
Geir
 
Well that the problem with the Greens of the SD9, they are accurate. Infact all the other Cameras tend to boost saturation of nearly every color they can find. Have a look in the Fuji SLR Forum and you will see what I mean....
K Joseph said:
Alright alright, I won't grovel for 'attention' anymore. On a
serious note, I had to post that pic b/c in my humble opinion, the
SD9 doesn't have 'problems' capturing greens. the grass looks VERY
green to me, much like it did when i took the picture :")
Laurence Matson said:
To be honest, I am not sure what I see here other than a very nice
looking lady. Obviously, she has nothing to do with you. The detail
is great. I want to knock the range up a bit.

The horizon is level. The textures are good.

You do take great shots of people. Easy and natural.

L
K Joseph said:
Seriously speaking though, you KNOW you have a good camera when you
can actually see some texture in someone's cloths.
K Joseph said:
Green grass thru the eyes of Sigma ;)

http://www.pbase.com/image/17144715.jpg
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
Click to expand...
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
Click to expand...
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
Click to expand...
--
http://www.domgross.de
please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
ICQ UIN: 289647506
 
MIssion accomplished :Þ I've done my good deed for the day :) Now i'm off to take more pictures.... and work on steading my monopod, and reducing my handshake :)
Ladehaug said:
Ladehaug said:
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Very nice! The greens are vivid and accurate. And you are
absolutely correct, the distinct/fine texture in the clothing is
very realistic and accurately reproduced. In this case, a bayer
mosaic sensor would have serious trouble matching the Foveon sensor
in terms of accuracy and realism... Now, flame on! :-)

-
Geir
Click to expand...
--
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
 
Dominic Groß said:
Well that the problem with the Greens of the SD9, they are
accurate. Infact all the other Cameras tend to boost saturation of
nearly every color they can find. Have a look in the Fuji SLR Forum
and you will see what I mean....
Click to expand...
The problems were not about spring green, but the darker more olive greens. Look at the SD9/D60 results here in the color chart: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmasd9/page17.asp ) and here in the lime: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmasd9/page22.asp )

Showing a photo in isolation only tells you if the color is acceptable and pleasing. You need side-by-side images with a well-known reference point to tell if they are accurate.

--
Erik
 
is the grass really that green? Looks like a canon/fuju/nikon/sony/kodak/casio/hp shot
Tatu Vaajalahti said:
K Joseph said:
Green grass thru the eyes of Sigma ;)
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Is the grass really that yellow?

Here's your picture before and after ICC profile:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tatu/comp.html
(make the window wide enough to get the pictures side by side)
Click to expand...
--

.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
 
Actually I can't see the difference. I do prefer the skin tones (detail) on the first picture. I do have problems seeing subtle differences.

rick
rick decker said:
Tatu Vaajalahti said:
K Joseph said:
Green grass thru the eyes of Sigma ;)
Click to expand...
Is the grass really that yellow?

Here's your picture before and after ICC profile:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tatu/comp.html
(make the window wide enough to get the pictures side by side)
Click to expand...
--

.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
Click to expand...
--

.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
 
rick decker said:
is the grass really that green? Looks like a
canon/fuju/nikon/sony/kodak/casio/hp shot
Click to expand...
Yes, most grasses are really green. At least where I live :)

I've taken so far 1200 frames with my Sigma SD-9 and I must say I'm very disappointed by it's color response. For example, sometimes you'll get so saturated blues that they are impossible to correct.
 
IMNSHO the truth is somewhere inbetween, but please have a look at your corrected version. Looks like some Sony/Fuji freak went crazy with the saturation adjustment. Something is not right here. The original has a slight yellow cast (look in the shadows in the skin) but it might be more accurate for the lightening condition (to put it mildly it does not look like very bright sunshine) than the one you putted up. I ran it through my usual corrections and it came out somewhere in the middle (but the gras closer to the original, although a bit brighter and less yellow). And in your version I can't see a difference between the greens from the trees in the background and the gras (maybe it is too later now (1 o'clock in the night) but I can see a difference in mine and the original.

Dominic
Tatu Vaajalahti said:
K Joseph said:
Green grass thru the eyes of Sigma ;)
Click to expand...
Is the grass really that yellow?

Here's your picture before and after ICC profile:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tatu/comp.html
(make the window wide enough to get the pictures side by side)
Click to expand...
--
http://www.domgross.de
please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
ICQ UIN: 289647506
 
The grass is so green it looks like the green from the beginning of Lord of the Rings I. The gras was not that green (even in NZ that has some really green gras compared to some other countries and climates) in reality it was later rsaturated and overdone by using the digital color grading system Colossus from a company called 5D (that got broke some time ago and most of their tools got sold to Discreet...). The skin looks a bit redish (to much yellow taken away) and I can't differenciate the trees and the gras anymore.
rick decker said:
rick
rick decker said:
Tatu Vaajalahti said:
K Joseph said:
Green grass thru the eyes of Sigma ;)
Click to expand...
Is the grass really that yellow?

Here's your picture before and after ICC profile:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tatu/comp.html
(make the window wide enough to get the pictures side by side)
Click to expand...
--

.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
Click to expand...
--

.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
Click to expand...
--
http://www.domgross.de
please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page :)
ICQ UIN: 289647506
 
Dominic Groß said:
Tatu Vaajalahti said:
rick decker said:
is the grass really that green? Looks like a
canon/fuju/nikon/sony/kodak/casio/hp shot
Click to expand...
Yes, most grasses are really green. At least where I live :)
Click to expand...
I don't think that gras looks that green! Yours looks almost like
the plastic gras we have on some soccer fields here.
Click to expand...
Hmm, ok we'll just have to agree to disagree then :)

BTW, try to adjust your window size so that you'll only see one picture.
 
Erik Magnuson said:
The problems were not about spring green, but the darker more olive
greens. Look at the SD9/D60 results here in the color chart:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmasd9/page17.asp ) and here in
the lime: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmasd9/page22.asp )
Click to expand...
You are right. The darker foliage greens can be a problem (washed out, dull). I have noticed it on some pictures, and it can be seen on the color chart. I believe the problem mainly arrives when you underexpose the image. So if you can avoid that, things will be fine. However, if the dark foliage greens are not a part of the main attraction in your image, it won't be that much of a problem. Landscapes could be difficult if you are shooting towards the sun, but shooting in the oposite direction should not affect the foliage so much. In any case, when shooting landscapes towards the sun (or in any other difficult light condition), one should try to use exposure bracketing. Much can be corrected that way, as well as increasing the dynamic range a bit.

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Geir
 
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