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Looks good to me. I believe the max temp is in the 85-90C range.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
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I know for a fact the max recomended temp for my amd athlon2400xp is 85C. Other amd processors range from 80C-90C (they have a chart on there web site). I would think intel would have that info on their site too. If memory serves, the max tempature is similar for most brands of cpu's.Looks good to me. I believe the max temp is in the 85-90C range.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
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The max temp recommended by INTEL IS 69c; that is not to say that's the desired temp. I have a 3GHZ P4 with an after market CPU fan, and a fan in the front and rear (pretty quiet). My idling temp is 40c, and get to about 47c after some pretty demanding photo rendering (and 3D gaming). I still think you need some additional ventilation. Also, the ambient temperature also does play into the equation. Hopefully your BIOS is reporting the proper values.Kevin,Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
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Too hot, Kevin.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
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If that is the maximum temp., it's defanitlly too hot. While it will probably not just instantlly fry it if you are under the max, running close to the max will defanitlly decrease the life of your processor a LOT. My amd runs in the forty's even after doing dvd to mpeg2 conversions (whick pegs the cpu usage at 100% for hours). If you are convinced the reading is correct, I would seriouslly think about a high efficiency heat sink with a high volume of flow fan. You may wish to reinstall the heatsink with a new layer of heatsink grease. If the heatsink does not make good contact it seriouslly decreases it's effectivness.The max temp recommended by INTEL IS 69c; that is not to say that'sKevin,Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
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This just seems to be very hot?
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the desired temp. I have a 3GHZ P4 with an after market CPU fan,
and a fan in the front and rear (pretty quiet). My idling temp is
40c, and get to about 47c after some pretty demanding photo
rendering (and 3D gaming). I still think you need some additional
ventilation. Also, the ambient temperature also does play into the
equation. Hopefully your BIOS is reporting the proper values.
Hope this helps,
Dan
Dan
marekM wrote:Looks good to me. I believe the max temp is in the 85-90C range.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
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marekM wrote:Looks good to me. I believe the max temp is in the 85-90C range.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
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Can't be. at 90C plastic parts would slowly lose shape.
Also, you would get 2nd degree burns .
Rgds
That depends on what kind of plastic it is. I would think that the cpu socket could take that though. The max temp. for my amd atlon 2400xp is 85C acording to amd (not that I would recomend running it that hot if you want it to last). I think the sockets will take a little more than that but not much more. I have heard of people melting the socket overclocking too much. Acording to the previous post the intel chips have a lower max operating temp so maybe it could hurt the plastic on one. Any decent motherboard is going to have a socket that can take the rated heat of the cpu though. I agree that he is in need of a little better cooling though. It shouldn't run that close to max temp.marekM wrote:Looks good to me. I believe the max temp is in the 85-90C range.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
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Can't be. at 90C plastic parts would slowly lose shape.
Also, you would get 2nd degree burns .
Rgds
The temperature which the BIOS reports (and which is the topic of this conversation), is the temperature of the internal die, not the ambient. INTEL states that an INTERNAL CORE temp of 69C is the operational max before the internal CPU clock is throttled back to keep the temp down.Can't be. at 90C plastic parts would slowly lose shape.marekM wrote:
Also, you would get 2nd degree burns .
Rgds
I have a 2.8 and always have my fan monitor running. I never reach those levels with my three fans. Not even close to them.Too hot, Kevin.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
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1. What are you using to get the temp reading?
2. Is the heatsink warm/hot to the touch?
If it isn't, it's not making proper contact to the IHS. (Touching
something that's 65'C would NOT be fun)
If it IS hot to the touch, look at:
A. Your case cooling, both intake & exhaust.
B. Your heatsink/fan combo. I have yet to see the stock Intel P4
HSF combo (regardless of speed grade) incapable of decent cooling
unless MASSIVELY overclocked.
C. Check you vCore in BIOS & ensure it's at spec. (1.50V - 1.525V)
I knew that it was the die temp. but didn't know that the intel chips would slow the clock if it got too hot. Any idea if amd chips do that?The temperature which the BIOS reports (and which is the topic ofCan't be. at 90C plastic parts would slowly lose shape.marekM wrote:
Also, you would get 2nd degree burns .
Rgds
this conversation), is the temperature of the internal die, not the
ambient. INTEL states that an INTERNAL CORE temp of 69C is the
operational max before the internal CPU clock is throttled back to
keep the temp down.
Dan
I wonder why AMD does not do this. It seems that if you can design a modern microprocessor you could stop it from distroying itself. Cannot be to increase sales, if one burned on me I would replace it but the next system I built would be Intel!I knew that it was the die temp. but didn't know that the intelThe temperature which the BIOS reports (and which is the topic ofCan't be. at 90C plastic parts would slowly lose shape.marekM wrote:
Also, you would get 2nd degree burns .
Rgds
this conversation), is the temperature of the internal die, not the
ambient. INTEL states that an INTERNAL CORE temp of 69C is the
operational max before the internal CPU clock is throttled back to
keep the temp down.
Dan
chips would slow the clock if it got too hot. Any idea if amd
chips do that?
Intel didn't used to do this. I got to thinking about this and wonder if it is the motherboard and not the cpu that is doing this. I have heard of overclocked intel cpu's getting so hot that they melt the plastic socket on the motherboard (the hard way to find out you overclocked it too much). It is the bios that controlls the clock speed. An amd moterboard knows the tempature and controls the clock speed. I see no reason one couldn't be designed to reduce clock speed at a certain tempature. Does anybody know if it is something in the intel cpu's that is ordering the motherboard to slow the clock, or if it is something on the moterboard, and if it is the motherboard, do all intel compatible motherboards do it?I wonder why AMD does not do this. It seems that if you can designI knew that it was the die temp. but didn't know that the intelThe temperature which the BIOS reports (and which is the topic ofCan't be. at 90C plastic parts would slowly lose shape.marekM wrote:
Also, you would get 2nd degree burns .
Rgds
this conversation), is the temperature of the internal die, not the
ambient. INTEL states that an INTERNAL CORE temp of 69C is the
operational max before the internal CPU clock is throttled back to
keep the temp down.
Dan
chips would slow the clock if it got too hot. Any idea if amd
chips do that?
a modern microprocessor you could stop it from distroying itself.
Cannot be to increase sales, if one burned on me I would replace it
but the next system I built would be Intel!
Richard-Intel didn't used to do this. I got to thinking about this andI wonder why AMD does not do this. It seems that if you can design
a modern microprocessor you could stop it from distroying itself.
Cannot be to increase sales, if one burned on me I would replace it
but the next system I built would be Intel!
wonder if it is the motherboard and not the cpu that is doing this.
I have heard of overclocked intel cpu's getting so hot that they
melt the plastic socket on the motherboard (the hard way to find
out you overclocked it too much). It is the bios that controlls
the clock speed. An amd moterboard knows the tempature and
controls the clock speed. I see no reason one couldn't be designed
to reduce clock speed at a certain tempature. Does anybody know if
it is something in the intel cpu's that is ordering the motherboard
to slow the clock, or if it is something on the moterboard, and if
it is the motherboard, do all intel compatible motherboards do it?
The first link and my browser were not getting along speed wise so I bookmarked it for later reading. As is the norm, tom's hardware has the best articles. It is actually a little scarry considering the massive heatsink and fan I bought for my athlon xp2400, snap goes the mount, crackel pop goes my computer. I only read the article but am going to download the video and visit the other link latter.Richard-Intel didn't used to do this. I got to thinking about this andI wonder why AMD does not do this. It seems that if you can design
a modern microprocessor you could stop it from distroying itself.
Cannot be to increase sales, if one burned on me I would replace it
but the next system I built would be Intel!
wonder if it is the motherboard and not the cpu that is doing this.
I have heard of overclocked intel cpu's getting so hot that they
melt the plastic socket on the motherboard (the hard way to find
out you overclocked it too much). It is the bios that controlls
the clock speed. An amd moterboard knows the tempature and
controls the clock speed. I see no reason one couldn't be designed
to reduce clock speed at a certain tempature. Does anybody know if
it is something in the intel cpu's that is ordering the motherboard
to slow the clock, or if it is something on the moterboard, and if
it is the motherboard, do all intel compatible motherboards do it?
It's the thermal managment of the proc:
http://developer.intel.com/design/Pentium4/datashts/
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20010917/index.html
Download & watch the video...
Yes, the AthlonXP is improved vs. the older core, BUT:The first link and my browser were not getting along speed wise soRichard Homeyer wrote:
I bookmarked it for later reading. As is the norm, tom's hardware
has the best articles. It is actually a little scarry considering
the massive heatsink and fan I bought for my athlon xp2400, snap
goes the mount, crackel pop goes my computer. I only read the
article but am going to download the video and visit the other link
latter.
Thanks a LOT for the great info, very informative.
By the way (sorry if this is in one of the links you posted, I
havent gone through it all yet), but is the athlon xp chip improved
any (they spoke of the up and coming xp chip in the tom's hardware
article having the same design). If it is in one of the links you
posted, just say so, I intend to go through them more including the
link to another article at the end of the one on tom's.
--I have a 2.8 and always have my fan monitor running. I never reachToo hot, Kevin.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
--
1. What are you using to get the temp reading?
2. Is the heatsink warm/hot to the touch?
If it isn't, it's not making proper contact to the IHS. (Touching
something that's 65'C would NOT be fun)
If it IS hot to the touch, look at:
A. Your case cooling, both intake & exhaust.
B. Your heatsink/fan combo. I have yet to see the stock Intel P4
HSF combo (regardless of speed grade) incapable of decent cooling
unless MASSIVELY overclocked.
C. Check you vCore in BIOS & ensure it's at spec. (1.50V - 1.525V)
those levels with my three fans. Not even close to them.
cadmandew
As far as I know, the fan speed is not as important as how much air it can move. Mine runs 3000-5000 rpm (variable speed) but for all I know yours will out perform mine. Design of the heat sink is also much more inportant than fan speed. With all the cooling you seem to have, while that is an improvment, that still seems hot. Maybe I am way off base here, but do you still have the option to exchange the cpu as defective? Can someone more farmiliar with intel processors tell us if that is an unresonable tempature with all that cooling? I had to exchange my amd processor that I bought recentlly (due to another problem, amd tech support told me to return it or send it in), and the new one ran about 8C cooler.Sealed with high quality grease, 3 fans exhaust, and 2 fans intake.
I tried loads of combinations and this was the best. I did also
have a PCI card fan but this actualy added a couple of degrees!
I got a new Power supply with twin fan ventilation as well.
I have noticed though that the Intel fan that came with the boxed
processor is only spinning at 2,300 rpm, Is that about right?
--I have a 2.8 and always have my fan monitor running. I never reachToo hot, Kevin.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
--
1. What are you using to get the temp reading?
2. Is the heatsink warm/hot to the touch?
If it isn't, it's not making proper contact to the IHS. (Touching
something that's 65'C would NOT be fun)
If it IS hot to the touch, look at:
A. Your case cooling, both intake & exhaust.
B. Your heatsink/fan combo. I have yet to see the stock Intel P4
HSF combo (regardless of speed grade) incapable of decent cooling
unless MASSIVELY overclocked.
C. Check you vCore in BIOS & ensure it's at spec. (1.50V - 1.525V)
those levels with my three fans. Not even close to them.
cadmandew
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use to anyone.
--As far as I know, the fan speed is not as important as how much airSealed with high quality grease, 3 fans exhaust, and 2 fans intake.
I tried loads of combinations and this was the best. I did also
have a PCI card fan but this actualy added a couple of degrees!
I got a new Power supply with twin fan ventilation as well.
I have noticed though that the Intel fan that came with the boxed
processor is only spinning at 2,300 rpm, Is that about right?
it can move. Mine runs 3000-5000 rpm (variable speed) but for all
I know yours will out perform mine. Design of the heat sink is
also much more inportant than fan speed. With all the cooling you
seem to have, while that is an improvment, that still seems hot.
Maybe I am way off base here, but do you still have the option to
exchange the cpu as defective? Can someone more farmiliar with
intel processors tell us if that is an unresonable tempature with
all that cooling? I had to exchange my amd processor that I bought
recentlly (due to another problem, amd tech support told me to
return it or send it in), and the new one ran about 8C cooler.
Just on a side note, check with intell on the fan speed. Most of
the aftermarket fans I have seen run 3000 rpm or more (just an
observation, I am certainlly not an expert nor have I done any
significant research into fans and heat sinks).
You have hit on one of the most important parts, good grease and
good contact, a VERY IMPORTANT issue that can be easilly overlooked.
Another side note, have you considered an aftermarket fan\heatsink?
Most will do the job, but there are plenty out there designed for
those that overclock, with greatlly improved cooling capacity.
Just a thought. Once again, does anybody farmiliar with factory
intel fan/heatsinks have some input on this idea? It just seems
that with all the effort that he has gone to, it should be running
cooler.
--I have a 2.8 and always have my fan monitor running. I never reachToo hot, Kevin.Mine seems to sit at 57C and reach a high temp nof 65C when batch
processing in Photo shop.
This just seems to be very hot?
--
1. What are you using to get the temp reading?
2. Is the heatsink warm/hot to the touch?
If it isn't, it's not making proper contact to the IHS. (Touching
something that's 65'C would NOT be fun)
If it IS hot to the touch, look at:
A. Your case cooling, both intake & exhaust.
B. Your heatsink/fan combo. I have yet to see the stock Intel P4
HSF combo (regardless of speed grade) incapable of decent cooling
unless MASSIVELY overclocked.
C. Check you vCore in BIOS & ensure it's at spec. (1.50V - 1.525V)
those levels with my three fans. Not even close to them.
cadmandew
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