EP5 60mm Macro Draggin Flies and Green Beest

Sergey_Green wrote:

Except the distracting background. ISO320, do I see noise, or is it from sharpening? You say the camera did it?

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This one seems a bit dirty or muddy?...not as clean as I like?...but being able to pull these details, I know exactly how to get some knockout shots when I go back down there...



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LTZ470 wrote:
First time out E-P5 and 60mm Macro...should get better...yes I had in camera sharpening set to +1 when I started, during shooting I set it back to neutral...didn't have a lot of time to spend so I was limited, hopefully get a day down there to get some better shots...
So that explains it.
All jpegs, All NR turned off...localised sharpening on the eyes...yes probably too much still learning E-P5 and LR corrections and also depends on which screen resolution they viewed on...Noise is easily wiped out, these were done quick and dirty to be honest as I am busy with other things...
I don't know if you can even catch them in the early morning, when they are still slow (supposedly), but generally longer lenses do help. Even if they are not macro. I just don't like those distracting backgrounds, really.
There's several other tricks of the trade at creating an obsolete background and easily done, I like the background to give a sense of where, each to his own sort of thing...
I don't think it is even a personal preference, but whatever.
Getting ready for a 7 day Caribbean Cruise, some underwater photography, and sailing adventures...should get some great photos...
Good for you :-).
Two of my favorite backgrounds and a Dragginfly:
From that distance / scaling they do look rather detailed, I must admit. I guess 16mpx helps well, and I take it the lens will focus much closer than that also. Have you tried it on butterflies or other insects? Maybe on some other thread.
 
LTZ470 wrote:

Amazing price as well: I'm not that patient...

D800 = $2800

Nikon 105 = $900

TCIIe = $479

Total = $4179

EP5 + 60mm Macro = $1500...

I think I can live with the EP5 results for sure... ;-)
Full frame cameras are generally better for other things, not just closeups. But yes, some are rather expensive as well. Although less so here in EU (then in the States). Nikon 105 would be kind of short on FF, Sigma 150 is a better start.

Bw, I do not mean to be hijacking your thread.

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These are really good! You nailed focus perfectly on the eyes.
 
Sergey_Green wrote:
LTZ470 wrote:

Amazing price as well: I'm not that patient...

D800 = $2800

Nikon 105 = $900

TCIIe = $479

Total = $4179

EP5 + 60mm Macro = $1500...

I think I can live with the EP5 results for sure... ;-)
Full frame cameras are generally better for other things, not just closeups. But yes, some are rather expensive as well. Although less so here in EU (then in the States). Nikon 105 would be kind of short on FF, Sigma 150 is a better start.

Bw, I do not mean to be hijacking your thread.

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Not bad for a $1500 setup....should get better I didn't have any light again...may get the ole ring flash out and try it a few times...that's what it looks like your fellow FF was using a ring or Macro Flash...



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LTZ470 wrote:

Not bad for a $1500 setup....
Not at all. I an genuinely impressed.
should get better I didn't have any light again...
At ISO200 1/60 is quite a normal light in the grass. You could double the ISO just as well, and shoot at the same aperture. The f/4 is where it is the sharpest for you anyway.
may get the ole ring flash out and try it a few times...
If you are into macro photography, yes.
that's what it looks like your fellow FF was using a ring or Macro Flash...
I don't think so. He is not a macro photographer, don't think he was even aiming at it. I think his post was about what 36mpx can do, rather than "look what I've got". (That's why they are expensive :-)). But like I said, closeup-macro photography is not the only area where full frame cameras do well. And there is hardly any punishment for shooting such images at ISO800-1600 either.

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LTZ470 wrote:
local novice wrote:
LTZ470 wrote:

Thanks Mjankor, as you know they are territorial and will fly back to the same spot many times...
Super shots. I didn't know that. Is that true for damselflies?
Yes, they will generally land very close to where they are disturbed and sometimes come back over and over to the same spot...so one has to be patient and try several of them and you'll usually find one that is not so jittery and will let you in close over and over once they determine you are not a predator...
not all dragonflies return to the same spot; this is mostly true for the smaller true dragonfly families (I'm not so familiar with the english names, so I will leave it at that) and less so for damselflies and the larger dragonflies.
 
Sergey_Green wrote:
But like I said, closeup-macro photography is not the only area where full frame cameras do well. And there is hardly any punishment for shooting such images at ISO800-1600 either.
There are disadvantages to FF as well; for subjects like (sitting) butterflies and dragonflies, many photographers use high end compacts instead of a DSLR. One has to balance light levels, DOF for subject detail and background blur, shutter speed, possibility of tripod/IS use, lenses that are available etc. Sometimes a quality compact simply gives nicer results, or almost the same quality results with much less effort.

m43 is in between compacts and FF and can be a good compromise. I'm using APS-C DSLR myself for dragonflies, planning to move to FF for some macro work (e.g. flying dragonflies) and add a compact for other types of macro ;-)
 
technic wrote:
There are disadvantages to FF as well; for subjects like (sitting) butterflies and dragonflies, many photographers use high end compacts instead of a DSLR.
It is a rather generic statement, but not entirely incorrect as I see it.
One has to balance light levels, DOF for subject detail and background blur, shutter speed, possibility of tripod/IS use, lenses that are available etc.
There is always balance for the same light once you have the camera on location; use the same shutter, bump the ISO, stop down the lens ... whatever you do with it. Larger systems are heavier, true, but they will also put more pixels into the frame, which can not be a bad thing either. And like I said, FF setups are not for closeups only.
Sometimes a quality compact simply gives nicer results, or almost the same quality results with much less effort.
Yes, of course, like with anything else. Sometimes an f/5.6 lens can be as good as the f/2.8 lens, and anything in between.
m43 is in between compacts and FF and can be a good compromise.
It depends on how this compromise works for you. Pretty much all that matters. For some it is a compromise, for the others it is not.
I'm using APS-C DSLR myself for dragonflies, planning to move to FF for some macro work (e.g. flying dragonflies) and add a compact for other types of macro ;-)
I used D200/D300 for dragonflies in the past (when they flew around), did not even need a macro lens for it.
 
Sergey_Green wrote:
LTZ470 wrote:

Not bad for a $1500 setup....
Not at all. I an genuinely impressed.
should get better I didn't have any light again...
At ISO200 1/60 is quite a normal light in the grass. You could double the ISO just as well, and shoot at the same aperture. The f/4 is where it is the sharpest for you anyway.
When I get some better light, we'll really see what the E-P5 and 60mm can do...NO way I could have done this without Focus Peaking and Spot AF (first year for either with Oly Cam's)
may get the ole ring flash out and try it a few times...
If you are into macro photography, yes.
Yes, I shot it a year or so ago, but it's so cumbersome I laid it to rest...
that's what it looks like your fellow FF was using a ring or Macro Flash...
I don't think so. He is not a macro photographer, don't think he was even aiming at it. I think his post was about what 36mpx can do, rather than "look what I've got". (That's why they are expensive :-)). But like I said, closeup-macro photography is not the only area where full frame cameras do well. And there is hardly any punishment for shooting such images at ISO800-1600 either.
Oh yeah, easy to see on the subjects and his other shots, or extremely bright sunlight...
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technic wrote:
LTZ470 wrote:
local novice wrote:
LTZ470 wrote:

Thanks Mjankor, as you know they are territorial and will fly back to the same spot many times...
Super shots. I didn't know that. Is that true for damselflies?
Yes, they will generally land very close to where they are disturbed and sometimes come back over and over to the same spot...so one has to be patient and try several of them and you'll usually find one that is not so jittery and will let you in close over and over once they determine you are not a predator...
not all dragonflies return to the same spot; this is mostly true for the smaller true dragonfly families (I'm not so familiar with the english names, so I will leave it at that) and less so for damselflies and the larger dragonflies.
Just assisting other folks with the general habits of dragonflies and damsel flies...may not be an expert but I have shot a few of them, like thousands... ;-)
 
I wasn't criticizing you, just trying to prevent disappointment with people who try this with a random dragonfly species. It works fine for some dragonfly families, for others - like many of the bigger Aeshnidae - it won't work well.
 
Sergey_Green wrote:
technic wrote:

There are disadvantages to FF as well; for subjects like (sitting) butterflies and dragonflies, many photographers use high end compacts instead of a DSLR.
It is a rather generic statement, but not entirely incorrect as I see it.
One has to balance light levels, DOF for subject detail and background blur, shutter speed, possibility of tripod/IS use, lenses that are available etc.
There is always balance for the same light once you have the camera on location; use the same shutter, bump the ISO, stop down the lens ... whatever you do with it. Larger systems are heavier, true, but they will also put more pixels into the frame, which can not be a bad thing either. And like I said, FF setups are not for closeups only.
No disagreement about all that. What is important is to know your equipment and what you want to achieve. There are always personal factors involved e.g. budget, how much equipment you want to carry, how much time you have to get the shot / wait for perfect conditions etc.

I'm using APS-C DSLR myself for dragonflies, planning to move to FF for some macro work (e.g. flying dragonflies) and add a compact for other types of macro ;-)
I used D200/D300 for dragonflies in the past (when they flew around), did not even need a macro lens for it.
Yes, you can use almost anything for that too, I have seen a few lucky shots taken with compacts or superzooms. But for high quality images of flying dragonflies (not just 'hovering' like some can do) an FF DSLR with bright tele prime is often the best choice.

I don't use a macro lens either for flying dragonflies, but a tele prime (2.8/200 - 4.0/300IS) with good closeup capability. The focusing of most macro lenses (either MF or AF) is too slow for the fast movement of flying dragons. This is one of the few subjects where m43 it still lagging IMHO, because of lack of native fast tele primes and potential problems with viewfinder lag.
 
technic wrote:

I wasn't criticizing you, just trying to prevent disappointment with people who try this with a random dragonfly species. It works fine for some dragonfly families, for others - like many of the bigger Aeshnidae - it won't work well.
Correct, I was giving them a starting point by sitting and watching habits of the Dragonflies...most folks give up before they start, a friend of mine gave me the pointer and I used it to advantage...

Thanks for the insight...
 
technic wrote:
Sergey_Green wrote:
technic wrote:

There are disadvantages to FF as well; for subjects like (sitting) butterflies and dragonflies, many photographers use high end compacts instead of a DSLR.
It is a rather generic statement, but not entirely incorrect as I see it.
One has to balance light levels, DOF for subject detail and background blur, shutter speed, possibility of tripod/IS use, lenses that are available etc.
There is always balance for the same light once you have the camera on location; use the same shutter, bump the ISO, stop down the lens ... whatever you do with it. Larger systems are heavier, true, but they will also put more pixels into the frame, which can not be a bad thing either. And like I said, FF setups are not for closeups only.
No disagreement about all that. What is important is to know your equipment and what you want to achieve. There are always personal factors involved e.g. budget, how much equipment you want to carry, how much time you have to get the shot / wait for perfect conditions etc.
I'm using APS-C DSLR myself for dragonflies, planning to move to FF for some macro work (e.g. flying dragonflies) and add a compact for other types of macro ;-)
I used D200/D300 for dragonflies in the past (when they flew around), did not even need a macro lens for it.
Yes, you can use almost anything for that too, I have seen a few lucky shots taken with compacts or superzooms. But for high quality images of flying dragonflies (not just 'hovering' like some can do) an FF DSLR with bright tele prime is often the best choice.

I don't use a macro lens either for flying dragonflies, but a tele prime (2.8/200 - 4.0/300IS) with good closeup capability. The focusing of most macro lenses (either MF or AF) is too slow for the fast movement of flying dragons. This is one of the few subjects where m43 it still lagging IMHO, because of lack of native fast tele primes and potential problems with viewfinder lag.
I am wondering if I am experiencing viewfinder lag with my GX1 (Panny 100-300mm with (10+16mm) tubes shooting in Shutter priority.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52164941

Can you link me to any quantification of EVF lag? I am trying to learn how to increase my ability to capture flying insects. Any other advice?

Many thanks.

Tom
 

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