ne beginner
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.... Is also making an assumption that the 600 will be replaced shortly by a 610 with 51 point AF. In other words, the OP is taking BOTH KR and NikonRumors seriously.
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Ken Rockwell again: "Canon 5DIII/6D are better/far ahead of Nikon D600/D800"
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First of all, nobody should choose a brand based on the camera body. Lenses are much more important to the end result and last much longer.
Secondly, for the vast majority of users the choosing between 5D MkIII and D800 will make no difference. Like choosing between a yellow and red car.
Secondly, for the vast majority of users the choosing between 5D MkIII and D800 will make no difference. Like choosing between a yellow and red car.
wasserball
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He has to shoot raw in order to have the credential to share his professional opinion? Sports photographers shoot .jpg.
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Just a reminder -- if you click any of Rockwell's outgoing links to Amazon/B&H/Adorama, it sets a cookie on your machine that he gets a cut. It doesn't matter if you read him or not, it just matters that you click an Amazon link (accidentally or not) and buy something (not necessarily a camera) within the next two or three days without thinking about it.
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ZAnton means that one cannot compare sensors based on jpegs.
Biological_Viewfinder
Senior Member
Probably just got too far into the bottle.
The reality is that Ken Rockwell used his Canon cameras more often when he was comparing Nikon & Canons new cameras, so of course he likes them more.
The reality is that Ken Rockwell used his Canon cameras more often when he was comparing Nikon & Canons new cameras, so of course he likes them more.
Rick Knepper
Forum Pro
Perhaps he's using his trolling for good. Who knows?
My standard landscape equipment set-up for hikes is a 5D3/24-70 II and D800E/14-24G plus maybe an EF 70-200 in case I feel I may need the length. Under this scenario on a tripod/monopod, there is nothing clunky about the D800E. If I am shooting handheld, I usually pick the 5D3 because the fps is snappier. I mostly shoot centerpoint and recompose so both cameras are great in this scenario. Thank God Nikon mostly fixed their LV implementation. My D3x is awful in this regard. My only covet for the D800E for landscaping is the 5D3's well-coated back LCD.
Nikon provides many small features that Canon does not. For example, a 10-pin connector that allows one to connect devices and leave the hot shoe available. Of course, Canon has since copied many features I first saw on Nikon cameras. Also, there were many features Canon reserved for their 1 series cameras that have found their way to more affordable cameras ala Nikon.
My standard landscape equipment set-up for hikes is a 5D3/24-70 II and D800E/14-24G plus maybe an EF 70-200 in case I feel I may need the length. Under this scenario on a tripod/monopod, there is nothing clunky about the D800E. If I am shooting handheld, I usually pick the 5D3 because the fps is snappier. I mostly shoot centerpoint and recompose so both cameras are great in this scenario. Thank God Nikon mostly fixed their LV implementation. My D3x is awful in this regard. My only covet for the D800E for landscaping is the 5D3's well-coated back LCD.
Nikon provides many small features that Canon does not. For example, a 10-pin connector that allows one to connect devices and leave the hot shoe available. Of course, Canon has since copied many features I first saw on Nikon cameras. Also, there were many features Canon reserved for their 1 series cameras that have found their way to more affordable cameras ala Nikon.
rhlpetrus
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I once used for a short while the 5D3 foa friend. Pretty impressive, too things called my attention: ergonomics, the body feels better than anything I have tried from Nikon, and the AF, very responsive (and later shown to be quite precise). If Canon could make a better sensor ...
wasserball
Senior Member
Very true. One does not buy a Ferrari to drive at 200 mph.
wasserball
Senior Member
In my early days my credit card got a workout from his pleas. Now, I just laugh at his snake oil medicine.
PS. He did recommended, and I did buy the D90 over the D300.
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user_name
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I have not followed his stuff of late, but his style is more of sarcastic satire. If you get his style of humor/satire and read between the lines you get a cleared picture of what he is really saying.
When decoded he tends to be right, but lacks in depth analysis. So, his site is more of info-entertainment and he scores enough traffic because of that to make it worth his while.
When decoded he tends to be right, but lacks in depth analysis. So, his site is more of info-entertainment and he scores enough traffic because of that to make it worth his while.
wasserball
Senior Member
Hum...He used to rave about Nikons for a while. When the comparison debates get hot and heavy, I still read his findings because they are simple to understand and he avoids all those technical details that I never use in my D3s. In the end, it's the sensor that counts most.
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joeybob
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http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/whither-nikon.html
The above link is a broader brush (lambasting IMHO) and although I may not agree with everything he says 100%, I can see his points pretty clearly.
Where some have indicated that KR sounded "drunk" or "trollish" Hogan sounds sober and concise to me. His points are clear and his criticisms seem pretty spot on. The things he left out in his scathing article was the apparent drop in the quality of Nikon's customer service and the pullback of consumer replaceable parts.
As far as the original point/original post, Hogan also has an article similar to KR's and again Hogan makes some very valid points: http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/how-much-is-a-nikon-d600.html - like what is a D600 worth???
The above link is a broader brush (lambasting IMHO) and although I may not agree with everything he says 100%, I can see his points pretty clearly.
Where some have indicated that KR sounded "drunk" or "trollish" Hogan sounds sober and concise to me. His points are clear and his criticisms seem pretty spot on. The things he left out in his scathing article was the apparent drop in the quality of Nikon's customer service and the pullback of consumer replaceable parts.
As far as the original point/original post, Hogan also has an article similar to KR's and again Hogan makes some very valid points: http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/how-much-is-a-nikon-d600.html - like what is a D600 worth???
Rick Knepper
Forum Pro
Seriously? I can't imagine anyone who has a dog hunting in this forum giving a cr@p about how Nikon stacks up against Sony who isn't even in the actual DSLR bidness any longer. In terms of their real competition, Canon has 3 FF cameras too. If you want see agonized ownership, look in on the Canon forum to see how many are lamenting the absence of a D800/E competitor. Of course, they get shouted down by the fanbois there too. Whining about Nikon's 3 camera FF line-up simply seems surreal.
I a n
Well-known member
But really his negativity is about what the corporation or the camera industry are doing/not doing. The actual gear he says plenty of good things about. The thing I like about him is he is a pragmatist. He talks about gear as it relates to actually making pictures not just to have the latest gear. He tries to get us to put the focus on ourselves and not gear.
wasserball
Senior Member
KR mouths off what is convenient to him at the time. I would't doubt that he suggested all you need is a point and shoot to capture photos just as good as a DSLR.
I tend to disagree - I think Hogan's points are somewhat reckless. It's an age old, short-sighted, "scorned fanboy" rant that echos the tripe I've been hearing for 40 years.
Every time one of the other makers came out with something new or innovative, people predicted the downfall of Nikon. Did they have the first SLR? First auto-focus? First DSLR? First VR to market?
So what is the value of being first to market? The answer to that is not simple.
My biggest criticism of Nikon isn't in their product strategy - I really don't care. I could just as easily own a Fuji if Nikon disappeared. I'm mostly critical of their customer care center. In my limited experience and from others, they can be terribly short and rude when you call in. That's not something that should be excused.
CFynn
Veteran Member
JAA? - Who's he?
CFynn
Veteran Member
He's got a point there. BTW Nikon have apparently now removed the D600 from their their MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) list - so watch the prices fall.
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