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I shoot only jpegs on an epm2 right now and really like the oly jpegs. However I want a camera now with more physical controls.

Obviously the GX7 ticks a lot of boxes for me (great focus, comfortable to hold etc) and on and on. The EP5 was originally a thought but it is horrible (in my opinion) to hold and the sensitive flash button was annoying. Anyway I digress.

At the end of the day the final picture is what counts and I know we have only seen preproduction samples of the GX7 but I have so far not been that impressed. I have tried to look at some GH3 jpegs and again I do prefer the oly output generally.

Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it) but what are people's thoughts on this. Can a bit of setting tweaking get you closer to oly jpegs? I would get the GX7 without waiting apart from this. Any thoughts? Thanks
 
HDcamfan said:
HDcamfan wrote:

Obviously the GX7 ticks a lot of boxes for me (great focus, comfortable to hold etc) and on and on. The EP5 was originally a thought but it is horrible (in my opinion) to hold and the sensitive flash button was annoying. Anyway I digress.
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Just curious - what about the EP5 makes "it is horrible to hold"? And why would you think that the GX7 - which looks very similar in size I think - would be much better?

I have the EP5 and while the GX7 with the built in EVF is intriguing (the ONLY reason it is intriguing IMHO), I would not consider switching.

As far as tweaking the Panasonic JPEGs to look like the Olympus ones - yeah you probably could. How close you would get would depend on how much time/effort you want to put into it.
 
Hi Steven, I have tried the EP5 a couple of times in a shop and I just felt that holding it one handed (which I like to do) I felt that I just couldn't get a good grip on it. I also had 10 minutes holding a GX7 at a demo and it felt great in the hand.

Believe me I wanted to love the EP5 what with the ibis as well. For the GX7 I prefer their focusing system as well. I guess at the end of the day I am asking a stupid question if pana jpegs could be similar to oly ones but it is good to hear a few views in this forum.
 
Oly bakes their JPG's with more contrast, saturation, sharpness and warmer colors in general than Panny. In other words, more like the typical P&S punchy, pleasing output. My GH3 is much closer than my GH2 to this, and with a tweak or two in the AWB settings I've been very pleased, though I shoot RAW primarily.

The GX7 will certainly have the same controls, with the addition of JPG shadow/highlight curves ffor in-camera adjustment as Oly has had for years.

PB
 
Both brand's JPGs are able to have their in-camera 'developing' settings tweaked to one's preferences, if the defaults are not desired. If not good enough, a little effort in an editor (like LR) shoujld be able to save a develolping profile than can be used when importing images. After that little effort, no further effort need be expended other than importing the images.
 
HDcamfan said:
HDcamfan wrote:

I shoot only jpegs on an epm2 right now and really like the oly jpegs. However I want a camera now with more physical controls.

Obviously the GX7 ticks a lot of boxes for me (great focus, comfortable to hold etc) and on and on. The EP5 was originally a thought but it is horrible (in my opinion) to hold and the sensitive flash button was annoying. Anyway I digress.

At the end of the day the final picture is what counts and I know we have only seen preproduction samples of the GX7 but I have so far not been that impressed. I have tried to look at some GH3 jpegs and again I do prefer the oly output generally.

Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it) but what are people's thoughts on this. Can a bit of setting tweaking get you closer to oly jpegs? I would get the GX7 without waiting apart from this. Any thoughts? Thanks
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"Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it)"

So you are saying you are too lazy to learn how to get the best image quality, you just want to spend some money and think that technology will do everything for you.
 
No I am saying with a young family I struggle to find time to sort and file the photos let alone develop them in raw. Maybe one day I will but each step at a time. I have come to m43 from a p&s so everything I do is already looking better. Sometimes for what I take pics of this is enough. I just like them to look pleasing to my eye.
 
sigala1 said:
sigala1 wrote:
sigala1 said:
HDcamfan wrote:

I shoot only jpegs on an epm2 right now and really like the oly jpegs. However I want a camera now with more physical controls.

Obviously the GX7 ticks a lot of boxes for me (great focus, comfortable to hold etc) and on and on. The EP5 was originally a thought but it is horrible (in my opinion) to hold and the sensitive flash button was annoying. Anyway I digress.

At the end of the day the final picture is what counts and I know we have only seen preproduction samples of the GX7 but I have so far not been that impressed. I have tried to look at some GH3 jpegs and again I do prefer the oly output generally.

Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it) but what are people's thoughts on this. Can a bit of setting tweaking get you closer to oly jpegs? I would get the GX7 without waiting apart from this. Any thoughts? Thanks
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"Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it)"

So you are saying you are too lazy to learn how to get the best image quality, you just want to spend some money and think that technology will do everything for you.
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Yes, that's what was expressed. Got it straight now?
 
HDcamfan said:
HDcamfan wrote:

I shoot only jpegs on an epm2 right now and really like the oly jpegs. However I want a camera now with more physical controls.

Obviously the GX7 ticks a lot of boxes for me (great focus, comfortable to hold etc) and on and on. The EP5 was originally a thought but it is horrible (in my opinion) to hold and the sensitive flash button was annoying. Anyway I digress.

At the end of the day the final picture is what counts and I know we have only seen preproduction samples of the GX7 but I have so far not been that impressed. I have tried to look at some GH3 jpegs and again I do prefer the oly output generally.

Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it) but what are people's thoughts on this. Can a bit of setting tweaking get you closer to oly jpegs? I would get the GX7 without waiting apart from this. Any thoughts? Thanks
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Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it) but what are people's thoughts on this.

If you want the best possible Jpegs, shoot Raw.
 
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HDcamfan said:
HDcamfan wrote:

I shoot only jpegs on an epm2 right now and really like the oly jpegs. However I want a camera now with more physical controls.
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Both GX7 and EP5 have enough of physical controls, but my car by far has many more
HDcamfan said:
Obviously the GX7 ticks a lot of boxes for me (great focus, comfortable to hold etc) and on and on. The EP5 was originally a thought but it is horrible (in my opinion) to hold and the sensitive flash button was annoying. Anyway I digress.
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Tick only boxes you use and think again. After check up, may be iPhone is a good thing to use? iPhone is a simple camera, that in good light takes very pleasing JEPGs right out of camera,
HDcamfan said:
At the end of the day the final picture is what counts and I know we have only seen preproduction samples of the GX7 but I have so far not been that impressed. I have tried to look at some GH3 jpegs and again I do prefer the oly output generally.
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Right, the final picture is what counts, so please take an effort...
HDcamfan said:
Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it) but what are people's thoughts on this. Can a bit of setting tweaking get you closer to oly jpegs? I would get the GX7 without waiting apart from this. Any thoughts? Thanks
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You can adjust the thing that counts tweaking camera AWB, or during PP that is not difficult at all.
 
HDcamfan said:
HDcamfan wrote:

... I have tried to look at some GH3 jpegs and again I do prefer the oly output generally.

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Most GH3 Jpegs look pretty much the same as E-M5 jpegs to me ... of course I've not seen many but ... the GH3 seems to be the ONLY Panasonic with that sensor and it looks like most of the colour handling is similar to Olympus, unlike all the other Panasonics.

alternatively

The e-pL5 and 6 take the extra grip and have more controls than your e-PM2
 
HDcamfan said:
HDcamfan wrote:

Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it) but what are people's thoughts on this. Can a bit of setting tweaking get you closer to oly jpegs? I would get the GX7 without waiting apart from this. Any thoughts? Thanks
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In my experience, starting with Panasonic G3, "Vivid" setting with AWB corrected for 2-4 notches less magenta and more amber gives a very pleasing color rendition. I own E-M5 now, and I don't think that I can tell that I like one more than the other. Before the G3 I definitely thought that Oly JPEGs were much more pleasing.

Below are shots taken with these settings and no color correction in PP.

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Is any body capable of demonstrating any differences between Oly and Panny jpgs that a minor tweak won't resolve. Urban myth I think. I have both and the variance caused by the skill, or lack of it, of the photographer far outweighs any difference between the default camera output.

I think the difference in all these things is if you what want you saw or what you wished you had seen.
 
I agree with Vlad. I am currently shooting my GX1 with a white balance tweak toward amber, vivid color mode with a minus one saturation and minus one contrast and it is very close to the natural color mode on my EM5.
 
if i compare the E-M5 to the GH3 i prefer the Oly jpegs out of camera for their warmer colours. but at times they appear a bit oversharpened to me. the jpegs of the Panny provide probably a bit more room for PP.
 
sigala1 said:
sigala1 wrote:
"Also at present I don't want to shoot raw (before someone advises it)"

So you are saying you are too lazy to learn how to get the best image quality, you just want to spend some money and think that technology will do everything for you.
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Seems reasonable.That's what technology is for. It works for you, you don't work for it.

Some people are different; some people actually want to have a life away from the PC. And, like, take photos or something.
 
HDcamfan said:
HDcamfan wrote:

No I am saying with a young family I struggle to find time to sort and file the photos let alone develop them in raw. Maybe one day I will but each step at a time. I have come to m43 from a p&s so everything I do is already looking better. Sometimes for what I take pics of this is enough. I just like them to look pleasing to my eye.
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That viewpoint is entirely reasonable - but if you really want to be able to organize and deal with your jpgs quickly give Picasa a try. You'll save a lot of time and get good enough results.
 
When I compared the JPEGs out of my Panny G1 with those from my Kodak P880 and then an E-P1 and finally my E-PL3 -- the G1 JPEGs were not in the race.

BUT I look st the latest samples and it seems to me that the Panny JPEGs are up there just behind Oly now. Certainly well within PP tweaking distance.

The joke was that at the time I had the G1, I also had a little Panny travel camera, the TZ7/XS3 (I think that is the designation). It’s JPEGs were excellent -- right up there with the Oly and Kodak JPEGs (which aren’t without their faults, by the way depending on the white point setting).

Why on earth couldn’t Panny apply the same expertise to m43 files as it applied to the much cheaper travel camera files?

As for tuning the JPEG response -- I found that tricky on the G1. If I raised the red it looked nice at one white point setting but not at another, and so on.

Cheers, geoff
 
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