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Little new information there except we get to see the battery grip.

I think it is "odd" that it doesn't have a built in flash. I know it is weather sealed, and that presents certain problems. But just the fact that they could get a flash in the E-P5 and GX7 but not this given its huge size just seems really strange indeed. I rarely use the onboard flash for obvious reasons but it is a "nice to have" in a pinch.

It kind of seems like Panasonic is trying to "invade" Olympus's territory with the GX7 (i.e. a compact "pro" level camera), and now Olympus is returning the favour with this trying to pick up some GH3 customers (i.e. a very ergonomical camera).

I think by far the most likely reason why those camera will fail is simply because of its $1500 initial price. m43 cameras from Olympus are already overly expensive (E-P5, E-M5, et al). Panasonic seems reasonable but both charge 1/3rd more than comparable SLRs or mirrorless cameras from other manufacturers.
 
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Looks pretty bad ass, the more pictures I see, the more I want it, make it stop!
 
Manip16 said:
Manip16 wrote:

I think it is "odd" that it doesn't have a built in flash. I know it is weather sealed, and that presents certain problems.But just the fact that they could get a flash in the E-P5 and GX7 but not this given its huge size just seems really strange indeed. I rarely use the onboard flash for obvious reasons but it is a "nice to have" in a pinch.

It kind of seems like Panasonic is trying to "invade" Olympus's territory with the GX7 (i.e. a compact "pro" level camera), and now Olympus is returning the favour with this trying to pick up some GH3 customers (i.e. a very ergonomical camera).

I think by far the most likely reason why those camera will fail is simply because of its $1500 initial price. m43 cameras from Olympus are already overly expensive (E-P5, E-M5, et al). Panasonic seems reasonable but both charge 1/3rd more than comparable SLRs or mirrorless cameras from other manufacturers.
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Agree with you on the lack of flash -- it is ridiculous. There is no difficulty with weather sealing if it is flip up and since they have a mighty faux pentaprism in place, they could easily locate a flip up there.

You mean a compact pro-level camera without a hump, of course. The GX7 is the ONLY camera in the category with its shape and a built-in EVF. Ergo, it is the only pro-level camera of its type. Without a built-in EVF, the E-P5 cannot be termed "pro-level". Even though it does have a built-in flash! ;)

Saying the Olympus cameras are overly expensive is wrong. The two you mention are somewhat expensive, but the only Oly cam I would call too expensive is the E-P5. The E-M5 is okay for its niche, I think, and the E-PM2 and E-PL5 certainly aren’t expensive -- although the price gets up when you add an EVF.

You are quite wrong to say the prices are third more than "comparable SLRs or mirrorless cameras from other manufacturers". They are not. Compare like with like, not the cheapest DSLR with the most expensive m43.

Cheers, geoff
 
Hen3ry said:
Saying the Olympus cameras are overly expensive is wrong. The two you mention are somewhat expensive, but the only Oly cam I would call too expensive is the E-P5. The E-M5 is okay for its niche, I think, and the E-PM2 and E-PL5 certainly aren’t expensive -- although the price gets up when you add an EVF.
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When you start looking at what Sony/NEX, Canon/Nikon SLRs, or even Fuji X are able to offer for sometimes half as much as Olympus, yeah, I'd say they're overpriced.

Panasonic isn't really quite as overly expensive as Olympus, typically only being 1/3 more expensive than the equivalent NEX, SLR, or X camera.

The E-PL5 is expensive for a camera without an EVF when many of the competitors provide one built right within. Then you spend a couple of hundred on the EVF and you are well ahead of the competition price wise.
Hen3ry said:
You are quite wrong to say the prices are third more than "comparable SLRs or mirrorless cameras from other manufacturers". They are not. Compare like with like, not the cheapest DSLR with the most expensive m43.
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I'm comparing $ to $, camera to camera. The fact that the E-M5/GH3 is the "most expensive" m43 camera is entirely irrelevant.

I like how you started off asking me to compare "like with like" but then ending up asking me to instead compare "the most expensive camera in both lines." These two things aren't the same at all.

I can compare an E-M5 to a mid-range NEX, X, or SLR and they will still give the E-M5 a run for its money while costing far far less. Comparing the "most expensive" m43 camera to the "most expensive" camera from other manufacturers isn't really even a real contest, m43 just loses.
 
"I rarely use the onboard flash for obvious reasons but it is a "nice to have" in a pinch."

I think you are validating Olympus's approach - it's rarely used, why build it in. Matter of seconds to slide it into place.
 
cfh25 said:
I think you are validating Olympus's approach - it's rarely used, why build it in. Matter of seconds to slide it into place.
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Except if the flash is an external thing I'm never going to have it with me because I have enough junk to carry without bringing something I'll use rarely.

Plus either size or weight wise the external flash as found on the E-M5/E-M1 is huge compared to the built in flashes within the E-P5/GX7.
 
Yeah, I'd also like to see a built-in flash, even if micro small like the one on the Sony RX1. That being said, if you have a PL 25mm 1.4 lens you'll rarely miss the flash :D
 
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Manip16 said:
Manip16 wrote:

I can compare an E-M5 to a mid-range NEX, X, or SLR and they will still give the E-M5 a run for its money while costing far far less. Comparing the "most expensive" m43 camera to the "most expensive" camera from other manufacturers isn't really even a real contest, m43 just loses.
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The low-end dslrs, low-end NEX's, etc. will also give the top-end DSLR's in the Canikon line-up "a run for [their] money while costing far far less." It's not a simple thing to compare relative value/feature/cost within a brand, let alone across brands and formats.
 
Wasn't there supposed to be a C ustom setting on the mode dial to get away from losing a FN button for MySets?
 
cfh25 said:
cfh25 wrote:

"I rarely use the onboard flash for obvious reasons but it is a "nice to have" in a pinch."

I think you are validating Olympus's approach - it's rarely used, why build it in. Matter of seconds to slide it into place.
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A lot of things are rarely used by the majority of users, but Olympus still included them: external mic input, scene modes, even weather sealing, etc.
 
Hen3ry said:
Hen3ry wrote:
Hen3ry said:
Manip16 wrote:

I think it is "odd" that it doesn't have a built in flash. I know it is weather sealed, and that presents certain problems.But just the fact that they could get a flash in the E-P5 and GX7 but not this given its huge size just seems really strange indeed. I rarely use the onboard flash for obvious reasons but it is a "nice to have" in a pinch.

It kind of seems like Panasonic is trying to "invade" Olympus's territory with the GX7 (i.e. a compact "pro" level camera), and now Olympus is returning the favour with this trying to pick up some GH3 customers (i.e. a very ergonomical camera).

I think by far the most likely reason why those camera will fail is simply because of its $1500 initial price. m43 cameras from Olympus are already overly expensive (E-P5, E-M5, et al). Panasonic seems reasonable but both charge 1/3rd more than comparable SLRs or mirrorless cameras from other manufacturers.
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Agree with you on the lack of flash -- it is ridiculous. There is no difficulty with weather sealing if it is flip up and since they have a mighty faux pentaprism in place, they could easily locate a flip up there.

You mean a compact pro-level camera without a hump, of course. The GX7 is the ONLY camera in the category with its shape and a built-in EVF. Ergo, it is the only pro-level camera of its type. Without a built-in EVF, the E-P5 cannot be termed "pro-level". Even though it does have a built-in flash! ;)

Saying the Olympus cameras are overly expensive is wrong. The two you mention are somewhat expensive, but the only Oly cam I would call too expensive is the E-P5. The E-M5 is okay for its niche, I think, and the E-PM2 and E-PL5 certainly aren’t expensive -- although the price gets up when you add an EVF.

You are quite wrong to say the prices are third more than "comparable SLRs or mirrorless cameras from other manufacturers". They are not. Compare like with like, not the cheapest DSLR with the most expensive m43.

Cheers, geoff
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knickerhawk said:
knickerhawk wrote:
knickerhawk said:
Manip16 wrote:

I can compare an E-M5 to a mid-range NEX, X, or SLR and they will still give the E-M5 a run for its money while costing far far less. Comparing the "most expensive" m43 camera to the "most expensive" camera from other manufacturers isn't really even a real contest, m43 just loses.
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The low-end dslrs, low-end NEX's, etc. will also give the top-end DSLR's in the Canikon line-up "a run for [their] money while costing far far less." It's not a simple thing to compare relative value/feature/cost within a brand, let alone across brands and formats.
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Most people complaining about price are doing so because they are comparing a specific set of features which favors their comparison. It's usually a limited set. In a post I made concerning price, I related how a low priced router had basically all the same features as a contractor grade router costing 5 time as much, but lacked the refinement, durability and certain other features that a contractor is willing to pay extra for.

The 5 axis IBIS in the EM5 vs no in body stabilization in those "comparable cameras" is just one of many points which shows that they aren't comparable. And anyone who thinks that the cheaply assembled OVFs in lower tier DSLRs are more expensive to make than the high grade EVFs in a camera such as the EM5 is simply uninformed.

Plus, pricing is based on amortizing the costs of R&D and production start up over several years, not just raw parts costs.

So, whenever I see someone declare an EM5 to be overpriced compared to an NEX5 or lower tier DSLR I think of them in terms of the sort of guy who wanders through Lowes and thinks a DeWalt or Borsch router is overpriced compared to Black and Decker.

What's funny about this is that when the latest EOS-1 and the D4 were announced, some people howled in fury about them being overpriced, while others were quick to explain that they had features and construction that justified the price.
 
Whenever I rent the EM-5 (same detachable flash), I get the flash inside a velvet case. (Is that how it is out of the box ?)

I attach the flash by the velcro straps on its velvet case to the camera strap. This way, I have it when I need it, yet it doesn't get left at home :-)
 
I don't understand their pricing approach any longer either. In 2006, one of the things that brought me to the 4/3 system was price. Kit lenses were fantastic compared to combination and yet it was the most affordable. I picked up the 2 lens E-500 kit in the $500 range. Where is that now?

I just picked up my very first m4/3 camera and was blown away at just how awesome it was (Brand new E-PL3 for $220). All these years I have been eschewing the idea of a "mirrorless" camera and have been very happy with my E-620. But now I kinda get it.

Still, I am very much looking forward to them finally making things better for the DSLR stalwarts like me. I just hope that they not only give us an E-5 replacement, but also an E-620 replacement as well. I will never be a photography professional, and with 4 kids and a single income, I don't expect I'll ever be able to justify the expense range of the E-5, E-30 or current OM-D. But I definitely would be in the market for an OM-D type m4/3 body in the E-620 range. I very much like the built-in EVF because I expect I would use it with off-camera flash. The off-camera flash requires the hot-shoe for the wireless trigger, and I would also want to have the EVF as well.

Here's hoping for a nice surprise to be announced next week along with the E-M1!

Cheers,
 
sbasumal said:
sbasumal wrote:

Whenever I rent the EM-5 (same detachable flash), I get the flash inside a velvet case. (Is that how it is out of the box ?)

I attach the flash by the velcro straps on its velvet case to the camera strap. This way, I have it when I need it, yet it doesn't get left at home :-)
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Yes, that sounds like what you get in the box.
 
Kazooless said:
Kazooless wrote:

I don't understand their pricing approach any longer either. In 2006, one of the things that brought me to the 4/3 system was price. Kit lenses were fantastic compared to combination and yet it was the most affordable. I picked up the 2 lens E-500 kit in the $500 range. Where is that now?
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Pardon me, but this make it sound like Olympus no longer make any affordable cameras and kit lenses. Get an E-PM2 with a 14-42. It's an extremely capable combo.
 
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