wchutt wrote:
theNeverKings wrote:
Discussion was pointless!
The discussion isn't pointless if it helps people understand the nature of the problem, when it is likely to occur and how to avoid it. It is also of interest to those who enjoy shooting contréjour style photography and may be looking at purchasing an XTrans camera.
It rarely hurts to give people the benefit of the doubt and to realise that the experiences of others may differ from those of our own.
I feel this
is a pointless discussion.
It's OK for you to FEEL the discussion is pointless since you are entitled to your point of view, however as I mentioned, some of us have a different, and very valid point of view. If we feel the gridded flare is aesthetically unattractive, and detracts from the overall quality of our images, then by definition, the flare is problematic. And that is the point!
Someone creates a profoundly intense artifact due to gross over exposure and lens flare. Then they complain that the initial flare artifact has an a secondary artifact. Worse, they speculate about the cause of the secondary artifact.
We appear to have different ideas regarding overexposure. Given the detail held in the clouds near the setting sun and the lack of detail in the trees the image looks to have been exposed, intentionally or not, for the highlights. In my experience an overexposed image of this type would result in the sky being "blown" to white and low contrast detail being revealed in the distant foliage.
The photographer is well within their rights to complain about the "secondary artifact", particularly if it seems to be specific to this camera and not manifested itself on, say, nikon DSLRs.
I could be wrong but I believe it to be well within the scope of this forum (and indeed human nature/curiosity) to speculate on the cause of said artefact.
This makes no sense and it is completely unreasonable to even ponder what's going on or assume there is a design or manufacturing defect that causes an extremely strong artifact to have an yet another artifact.
Why is it "completely unreasonable to even ponder what's going on or assume there is a design or manufacturing defect that causes an extremely strong artifact to have an yet another artifact"? As intelligent beings we have the right, and ability, to observe and question that which happens around us, particularly if things differs from our previous experiences and expectations.
No one has any objective evidence whosoever the grid artifact is due to the XTrans CFA.
And you have incontrovertible evidence of this?
This is pure speculation and does not deserve consideration.
I find this to be a disturbing, somewhat totalitarian point of view!
You can not even test this because flare is extremely sensitive to the angle and intensity of the light, the degree of overexposure, etc., etc. and it would require a great deal of effort to design and conduct tests that indict or exonerate the Xtrans design.
Well, I ran limited tests whilst I owned the camera and it was difficult to reproduce the gridded/textured flare with any degree of certainty, but this is the problem because it makes it very difficult to know whether or not it is present in a shot, given the relatively low magnification of the cameras screen.
And even if you could objectively show the XTrans CFA is responsible for the artifact of an artifact, then all you have shown is the XTrans sensor should be avoided by people who enjoy the aesthetic look of highly overexposed flare artifacts. What per cent of buyers would be protected if this is the case?
Thank you! And, after all, isn't that the point of this thread? To discuss the phenomenon, possible causes and solutions, and to let prospective purchasers become aware of such issues so as to be able to reasonably ascertain whether or not the camera is suitable for the purpose for which they intend to use it?
You have made it clear that you feel this discussion is pointless, and that's fine, but I ask you to be considerate of those of us for whom such phenomena is problematic and indeed, were unaware of prior to purchasing the camera.
Cheers.
S5 Pro is a different kind of beast -- superior to .... I still regret I didn't grab it for $900 new while on a trip in Europe few years ago 
