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G6 already dismissed?
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Thanks to all for the thoughts and opinions. I recently purchased a K30 w/18-135 kit and am looking for a second body that is suitable for both stills and video. The G6 has a lot that I like spec wise and I do still have the P14 and O45 lenses.
Mahmoud Mousef
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Gear Lust is highest with anticipated products not yet selling of course (particularly when in retro livery, apparently).
Nice walkthrough of the GX7 here.
Despite the GX series, the G series is my favourite in the line of Micro Four Thirds cameras. I think the DMC-G5 is where the incredible value is. Four a couple of weeks at B&H you could buy it for $448, for the twin lens kit (second lens was silver though).
The DMC-G5 body alone can be had for $300 as we speak. That's less than a third of the price of the DMC-GX7 body and about half the cost of the DMC-G6.
As far as I've been able to gather, the GX7 offers:
* wifi
* apparently improved sensor
* in-body image stabilisation (but it isn't used for video capture, only photos)
* higher-res (1280x720) viewfinder which is tiltable as opposed to fixed on G5/G6, and it's still field-sequential.
* tilt but non-swivelly LCD (as opposed to both tilt & swivel on the G-series)
* higher max shutter speed (1/8000 versus 1/4000)
* two dials (even though the DMC-G5 and DMC-G6 can be used in 2-dial fashion - top lever & thumb dial)
* apparently improved sensor
* retro rangefinder design
* no MIC input (DMC-G6 has it, DMC-G5 has not)
* choice of blue, yellow & green focus peaking indicators
* a built-in flash which apparently can be finger-tilted upwards a bit, which can be nicer than having a rigid, fixed one that can't be bounced
However, the body alone costs $999. I think they need to flip the number nines 180 degrees, but the price is nothing unusual for a new camera and can be considered 'reasonable' for a new product. If there weren't so many discounted offers, I'd probably feel the same. The DMC-G6 is still selling at a high price too, 'cause it's just been released selling...but in my opinion it's far more reasonable for what you get when compared to the $999 reference point. The DMC-G5 is the true baragain at the present time, in my opinon.
In a way I'm sort of glad that the G-series is mostly ignored by those lusting after the latest sensor or rangefinder design. It means the real gems continue to get discounted drastically.
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Right as a direct result of Canikon not offering IS in their body most of their lenses have to have it within, even third party lenses need it (Tammy, Sigma, etc). The only lenses which sell well and don't offer IS is their primes below 100mm.
They have discontinued most of their non-IS lenses. The only remaining ones are typical only useable on a tripod and don't sell nearly as well as their IS counterparts.
this isnt true. canon still sell plenty of 135L and the 200L for that matter _ neither of which i've ever used on a tripod. their most recent release and mainstay of professional and enthusiast sales is the 24-70L mk2 zoom also without IS.
IS including IBIS is only useful when the subject isn't moving the combined sensor aperture and available light isnt up to the task and a tripod or gorillapod is either impossible or inconvient. that leaves a lot of situations when IS is unecessary.
of course IS is good to have on at least some lenses and i use it, but returning to the original point, pany bodies can use non IS lenses very successfully and to say that the lack of IS means the lens cant be used on a pany body is an extreme view to say the least.
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Aperture usually only adds RAW noise reduction at high ISO. If you go to the "Add Adjustment" menu at the top of the adjustment brick you can add "RAW fine tuning". You can then override any added RAW noise reduction. Beyond this you would be seeing Panasonic imbedded noise reduction if it exists?
Steven Stone
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I have a the G1 original kit lens, the G3 kit lens, and I have the G6 kit lens. I like the newest one best. I think it's a bit faster on focus and overall a higher percentage of dead on shots. It is a very sharp lens. It's also smaller and lighter.
Steven Stone
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The single Panasonic dial on the G6 is a push-button dial that via a push switches from F-stop to shutter speed (or whatever the A/B designation happens to be - it's like having two dials in ONE location. I like it. It works quickly and efficiently once you stop searching for that second dial 
CharlesB58
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I'm trying to figure this out. The GX7 has IBIS, which means it will offer IS with Olympus lenses, you you seem to think the opposite. Also, there is no indication that Panasonic will stop producing OIS lenses.
The G5 had extraordinarily little interest, and the G6 seems like just a modest enhancement to the G5, using the same sensor.
G5 is selling at $300. It's hard to sell G6 at current price. Panasonic needs to manage inventories better. So there won't be that many old models of cameras.
dougjgreen1
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I agree, the camera was not worth $700-800 in the market scheme of things less than 1 year ago. But it's an outstanding camera at < $300 for the body nowadays. That being said, I own a G5, and if the GX7 sensor is in the same class as the one in the OM-D, I will buy it right after the xmas rush.
The G6 is basically a G5 with better viewing, and better video. I don't personally care about the video, and to me, the G6 upgrades to the G5 are worth maybe $150. Whereas the GX7 appears to be worth what a premium camera is selling for nowadays - $1000 seems appropriate.
cwathington
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The noise reduction in Raw Fine Tuning is an opaque mixture of chroma and luminance nois tuning. Aperture by default, after some initial user complaints with Aperture 2 compared to Lightroom, does some chroma adjustment without user input (Google around and you'll see). So with the noise reduction slider turned to zero, it still reduces what it assumes to be chroma noise. I think that's the main problem. Sometimes it assumes colors in the shadows to be noise. Even in a relatively clean ISO 400 shot, it will sometimes take the subtle color out of a person's face, making their lips the same color as their face - in other words, it's assuming color detail to be noise and smoothing it away.
I know Panasonic isn't the culprit because not only do the out of camera JPEGs show the right colors, but I can can see them (and preserve them in SilkyPix). After extensive Googling and experimenting, I can over expose the shot on purpose, which often isn't recoverable from a highlight perspective. I can just do one off processing in SilkyPix. Or, I can just use the Jpeg. I've settled on the latter two.
If I get a chance this evening, I will post a new thread with an example.
I know Panasonic isn't the culprit because not only do the out of camera JPEGs show the right colors, but I can can see them (and preserve them in SilkyPix). After extensive Googling and experimenting, I can over expose the shot on purpose, which often isn't recoverable from a highlight perspective. I can just do one off processing in SilkyPix. Or, I can just use the Jpeg. I've settled on the latter two.
If I get a chance this evening, I will post a new thread with an example.
photodan1
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I agree, particularly on wide angles up to normal (25 mm) lenses. With the great higher ISO performance, I don't think anyone should limit to just Pany lenses (although they do have some really good ones).
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