D1X firmware upgrade seems to suck

Kendall Leonard

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I just got my D-1X back from getting the firmware and buffer memory upgrade. And the camera has a new power menagement upgrade that tells me my battery is dead by not shooting anymore but when i put the same battery in my D1 it can still fill (4) 256 cards with photos...what is going on here. my batteries run out way too fast now. am I doing something wrong ?
 
Kendall,

I don't think you're doing anything wrong. This seems to be a common problem with post upgrade D1x's. I haven't gotten the buffer upgrade or firmware upgrade because of this. My battery life stinks enough as it is. (maybe 50-80 shots on a battery...)

Some people are saying that new batteries give BETTER life with the firmware upgade. I'd suggest buying a new battery, and possibly getting your old batteries rebuilt.

Duncan C
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I just got my D-1X back from getting the firmware and buffer memory
upgrade. And the camera has a new power menagement upgrade that
tells me my battery is dead by not shooting anymore but when i put
the same battery in my D1 it can still fill (4) 256 cards with
photos...what is going on here. my batteries run out way too fast
now. am I doing something wrong ?
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Some people are saying that new batteries give BETTER life with the
firmware upgade. I'd suggest buying a new battery, and possibly
getting your old batteries rebuilt.

Duncan C
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On a (newer) battery I will get about 300 to 400 images with the upgrades. On older batteries I get much less.

jdoyle
 
I just got my D-1X back from getting the firmware and buffer memory
upgrade. And the camera has a new power menagement upgrade that
tells me my battery is dead by not shooting anymore but when i put
the same battery in my D1 it can still fill (4) 256 cards with
photos...what is going on here. my batteries run out way too fast
now. am I doing something wrong ?
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Mark

Well I made a big mistake, I got the firmware upgrade. I waited until I had the time to actually be without it for a week or so and just received it back last week, Now, even with newer batteries, I get less than half the time and shots on a battery than I got before the upgrade. NO WHERE in the upgrade writeup does it caution that this upgrade will require new batteries to be purchased. I have 3 batteries ($300 worth) that they are now saying have to be replaced. 2 of these batteries are less than a couple of months old and worked flawlessly before the upgrade. When the camera says the batteries are dead, I can put in one of the other "dead" batteries and get a few more shots, so they really are not dead. I think the firmware upgrade is flawwed. I also think that if the upgrade requires new batteries to be purchased then there should be a warning and Nikon should have a battery upgrade discount plan to help offset the cost of getting new batteries. I'm rather ticked off at this point because I can't use the camera to shoot any weddings the way it is now. Guess the Fuji S2 Pro's will be getting more of my time now.

Are there any others that are still having this problem?
 
My D1X gets the same number of exposures after the upgrade as before. Of course, I conditioned the batteries when they were new.

Don
I just shot approx 380 shots (filled a 1 gig MD) on 1 battery in my
D1X, and it still had some life left in it. I understand you need
to charge and condition (discharge fully) new batteries 3 times
before using, that's what I did when they were new, and they're now
almost 3 yrs old now.
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Very interesting! Were did you read about 3 times full charge /
discharge cycles on a new battery? When I got mine, read the
instructions, they only mentioned making sure to "full charge"
before using ????

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I never read anything about 3 times conditioning either, but the batteries have been reliable until the upgrade. I condition them often, but I believe that if the battery is truely worn down to nothing, then conditioning isn't doing anything else than useage does. Nikon support can't put the camera firmware back to the older level and they won't listen to the fact that they never informed customers that batteries would need to be replaced. I'm very disappointed in Nikon at this point. I now have to rent another S2 Pro to shoot a wedding this weekend because my D1X isn't reliable any longer.
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Mark
 
Very interesting! Were did you read about 3 times full charge /
discharge cycles on a new battery?
Well, you might try my book ; )

But the original idea on that goes back to a battery expert that Rob Galbraith talked with. And he made a quite valid point: the EN-4 actually consists of a half dozen smaller batteries linked together. First, they come from the factory not fully conditioned (Rob and I both seem to come up with similar numbers: a factory-fresh battery is only hitting somewhere slightly less than 90% of its capability before conditioning). Second, it is possible that small differences in voltages between them can cause performance robbing issues, such as "back current flow." By running refresh cycles on a new battery (and even a single refresh cycle on old ones), you condition the battery to its full capability and get rid of voltage differences between the internal batteries. (But you don't run refresh cycles on every recharge, as the batteries can only endure so many refreshes.)

Got a new EN-4? Do this:
1. Use it in the camera until exhausted.
2. Put it on the charger and press the Refresh button.

3. Don't take it off the charger until it is no longer warm to the touch.* Note that this may be 12 hours or more!

Repeat this cycle a total of three times. After that, you skip the second part of Step 2 (pressing the Refresh button).

Yes, the charger lies. When the End light comes on, the battery can still capture more charge. Only when the battery is cool to the touch do you know that it is no longer accepting any additional charge.

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Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide & Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guides to the Nikon D100, D1, D1h, & D1x and Fujifilm S2
http://www.bythom.com
 
I just got my D-1X back from getting the firmware and buffer memory
upgrade. And the camera has a new power menagement upgrade that
tells me my battery is dead by not shooting anymore but when i put
the same battery in my D1 it can still fill (4) 256 cards with
photos...what is going on here. my batteries run out way too fast
now. am I doing something wrong ?
I get mixed reports on this. Some folk say better battery performance, some say same, some say less. And then we have reports like Bjorn Rosslett's, where he got the local Nikon center to "modify" his D1x after the upgrade.

But let me point one thing out: Nikon has to plan for worst case situations. That would be a full buffer of compressed NEFs. At 40 seconds each, we're talking about the camera needing to know that it can write to the card for almost 10 minutes without the battery running out! So, yes, when the battery "reads empty" it generally has a fair amount of charge left in it. Personally, I wish Nikon had allowed a user-override ("yes, I'll take the chance the power runs out during a write and thus wipes out all my beautiful shots on that card"), but their practice is consistent--they've always set conservatively when it comes to power.

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Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide & Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guides to the Nikon D100, D1, D1h, & D1x and Fujifilm S2
http://www.bythom.com
 
Hi Thom

I didn't get the upgrade (I did get your book, and find that better than most upgrades I've ever recieved).

I didn't get the upgrade because no one on these forums said:

"Hey, it's like getting a new camera!"

Another reason is that I really don't need a larger buffer, and the most important reason is that the Nikon battery indicator is useless and the upgrade doesn't improve this at all.

Is there any feature of this upgrade that people are raving about? Maybe I'm missing something?

Dave
I just got my D-1X back from getting the firmware and buffer memory
upgrade. And the camera has a new power menagement upgrade that
tells me my battery is dead by not shooting anymore but when i put
the same battery in my D1 it can still fill (4) 256 cards with
photos...what is going on here. my batteries run out way too fast
now. am I doing something wrong ?
I get mixed reports on this. Some folk say better battery
performance, some say same, some say less. And then we have reports
like Bjorn Rosslett's, where he got the local Nikon center to
"modify" his D1x after the upgrade.

But let me point one thing out: Nikon has to plan for worst case
situations. That would be a full buffer of compressed NEFs. At 40
seconds each, we're talking about the camera needing to know that
it can write to the card for almost 10 minutes without the battery
running out! So, yes, when the battery "reads empty" it generally
has a fair amount of charge left in it. Personally, I wish Nikon
had allowed a user-override ("yes, I'll take the chance the power
runs out during a write and thus wipes out all my beautiful shots
on that card"), but their practice is consistent--they've always
set conservatively when it comes to power.

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide & Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guides to the Nikon D100, D1, D1h, & D1x and
Fujifilm S2
http://www.bythom.com
 
Very interesting! Were did you read about 3 times full charge /
discharge cycles on a new battery?
Well, you might try my book ; )

But the original idea on that goes back to a battery expert that
Rob Galbraith talked with. And he made a quite valid point: the
EN-4 actually consists of a half dozen smaller batteries linked
together. First, they come from the factory not fully conditioned
(Rob and I both seem to come up with similar numbers: a
factory-fresh battery is only hitting somewhere slightly less than
90% of its capability before conditioning). Second, it is possible
that small differences in voltages between them can cause
performance robbing issues, such as "back current flow." By running
refresh cycles on a new battery (and even a single refresh cycle on
old ones), you condition the battery to its full capability and get
rid of voltage differences between the internal batteries. (But you
don't run refresh cycles on every recharge, as the batteries can
only endure so many refreshes.)

Got a new EN-4? Do this:
1. Use it in the camera until exhausted.
2. Put it on the charger and press the Refresh button.
3. Don't take it off the charger until it is no longer warm to the
touch.* Note that this may be 12 hours or more!

Repeat this cycle a total of three times. After that, you skip the
second part of Step 2 (pressing the Refresh button).

Yes, the charger lies. When the End light comes on, the battery
can still capture more charge. Only when the battery is cool to the
touch do you know that it is no longer accepting any additional
charge.


--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide & Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guides to the Nikon D100, D1, D1h, & D1x and
Fujifilm S2
http://www.bythom.com
Well your book would probaby be a good idea, but no where in the Nikon manual or the flyer that comes with the battery does it say to condition the battery 3 times.

I condition my batteries about once every 2 weeks when the batteries are used almost daily.

I have one of the batteries that I used last night and got about 30 shots over the 45 minutes the camera was on for sitting on the refresh mode for 7 hours after it was charged fully. I don't know how long it usually takes to refresh a battery, but this seems excessive. DO you have any idea on how long it should take to fully discharge a battery using refresh? Seems to me that the battery can't be a bad battery if it lasts this long on the refresh mode.

My biggest concern is that the batteries worked for over 120 shots and a couple of hour each prior to the upgrade and now only last 45 minutes or so and get only 30 - 50 shots. The only change is the firmeare, bo the battery or the charging method. I suspect that the solenoid that's used for putting a load on the camera may be staying on all the time now rather than going on, testing, and shutting off.

Nikon has agreed to look at my camera and test the batteries. Since the camera is useless to me and I'll have to rent a backup camera for a wedding on Saturday I might as well take them up on it. I'm sure glad I have an S2 Pro as my alternate camera. :) (By the way, I never got your book as you said that new owners would get from Fuji.)

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Mark
 
I have had two D1x’s upgraded. One got better battery performance and one way worse. It never reported a bad battery just indicated ½ full after about 10-20 images. Sent the body back to Nikon, they re-calibrated the power meter and all is now fine. I can fill 3-4 512mb cards, shooting NEF’s, before a freshly charged battery reads ½ full.

I would suggest you call Nikon and send the camera back for this to be re- calibrated. According to what I was told they have no way to check and see if its out they can only re-calibrate it.

Bill
I just got my D-1X back from getting the firmware and buffer memory
upgrade. And the camera has a new power menagement upgrade that
tells me my battery is dead by not shooting anymore but when i put
the same battery in my D1 it can still fill (4) 256 cards with
photos...what is going on here. my batteries run out way too fast
now. am I doing something wrong ?
 
Hahaha...The D100 may not be the pro camera the D1x is, but at least my batteries last for 2000 plus images!
I just got my D-1X back from getting the firmware and buffer memory
upgrade. And the camera has a new power menagement upgrade that
tells me my battery is dead by not shooting anymore but when i put
the same battery in my D1 it can still fill (4) 256 cards with
photos...what is going on here. my batteries run out way too fast
now. am I doing something wrong ?
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..and get around 1,200 shots with the "Image Review" always on.
Dennis D
I just got my D-1X back from getting the firmware and buffer memory
upgrade. And the camera has a new power menagement upgrade that
tells me my battery is dead by not shooting anymore but when i put
the same battery in my D1 it can still fill (4) 256 cards with
photos...what is going on here. my batteries run out way too fast
now. am I doing something wrong ?
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Dennis D
 
Whew, this "bad" battery took just over 8 hours to drain via the refresh button. Anyone know if that is long, short, or meaningless? It's now charging.

Bill T, I'm sending mine back and hopefully a recal will help it out.
 
I am very happy with the upgrade. The increased buffer size is very nice. There were many times before the upgrade when I would max out the buffer and stand there waiting for the writes to occur. I have never run into that problem since the upgrade.

I am not real sure on the battery side of things just yet. My overall impression is that my batteries are lasting much longer than they used to. This includes both new batteries and old batteries. I will say that sometimes (not consistent) I get some wierd battery indications. Sometimes the battery indicator will go low and the camera will shut down. Then if I take out the battery and reinsert it, the battery indicator will show full and I can shoot for hours with the same battery before it drops to half indication. So far it has not occurred frequently enough for me to send it back to Nikon, although I probably should.

I agree there is something going on with the power monitoring, but with that said, my batteries are lasting longer than they ever have so I am pretty happy.
 
That's about right. I usually put mine on refresh overnight and they are done in the morning .... I refresh mine once a month - more often if they get a lot of use. My wife refreshes hers once every ten charges. She has the batteries color coded and has a chart on the wall next to the charger to keep track of them.
Whew, this "bad" battery took just over 8 hours to drain via the
refresh button. Anyone know if that is long, short, or
meaningless? It's now charging.

Bill T, I'm sending mine back and hopefully a recal will help it out.
 

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