Awaiting the GX7, Recalling the L1

Bob Meyer wrote:

APS-C sensors using similar technology will always test better than m43 sensors. That's just basic physics, and there's no way around it. FF sensors will be even better. If having the "best" sensor is the most important criteria for you in choosing a camera you shouldn't be wasting your time in the m43 forum.

The benefits of m43 are many, though. You'll never get an APS-C kit including a body or two, and several lenses, that is as compact and lightweight as an equivalent m43 kit. For most of us, the quality of the current "crop" of m43 sensors is more than good enough. And any "loss" in quality compared to larger sensor bodies well worth the advantages provided.

If the GX7 matches the OM-D and GH3 in performance, at a price roughly the same, it will be an effective value proposition. Why do you expect a camera which matches $1000 bodies in performance should be several hundred dollars cheaper? Seems illogical to me.

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Time will tell if they price their product right. :-) BTW what is the price for the 15 months old GX1 now? ;-)

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I know that, I have the Gh2 but the Gh2 can never shoot 18 Mpixels. If you announce an 18 MPixel cam you can shoot with it. So my bet is a brand new sensor and it is about time.
 
Me to. Note that 1) of course is going to happen. So I meant 2) and 3). I would shell out 1000-1200 euro for that cam in a heartbeat.
 
M Hamilton wrote:

I would HAPPILY take OM-D image quality in a smaller package. I don't need a "giant leap forward" I don't think anyone does. The sensors of today are already fantastic. What most of us need is a sensor that physically jumps out of the camera and kicks us in the butt until we get out of the house, off the computer, and take more pictures.

:P

I noted that that IQ would be fine. Now becaue it is an 18 MPixel sensor I think it is highly unlikely that this will be a Sony sensor. So we need to compare probably with the Panasonic mFT sensors and these do need a good leap forward. Form 60 DxO points to about 73. That is what I mean. This cam with the G6 and I do not think it will be perceived as a very compelling cam.

The G6 with that Sony mFT sensor, at least subjectively, wuld have made a world of a difference. I would have bought it even for 100 euro more.

In short: GX7 needs a sensor on par with current Sony mFT sensors.
 
Jorginho wrote:
M Hamilton wrote:

I would HAPPILY take OM-D image quality in a smaller package. I don't need a "giant leap forward" I don't think anyone does. The sensors of today are already fantastic. What most of us need is a sensor that physically jumps out of the camera and kicks us in the butt until we get out of the house, off the computer, and take more pictures.

:P
I noted that that IQ would be fine. Now becaue it is an 18 MPixel sensor I think it is highly unlikely that this will be a Sony sensor. So we need to compare probably with the Panasonic mFT sensors and these do need a good leap forward. Form 60 DxO points to about 73. That is what I mean. This cam with the G6 and I do not think it will be perceived as a very compelling cam.

The G6 with that Sony mFT sensor, at least subjectively, wuld have made a world of a difference. I would have bought it even for 100 euro more.

In short: GX7 needs a sensor on par with current Sony mFT sensors.
The sensor need to be better than D5200 ($700) if they want to ask for $1000+.

Price performance is extremely important, do you know why Sony did pretty well with RX100 & RX1 even though they aren't cheap? And A99 isn't successful at all even it shares a similar sensor as RX1 & Nikon D600?
 
The problem here is that only you seem to care about these things, or some hard meastrubator like tiny jorginho :)

All the rest are more than satisfied by the latest Sony sensor, and with good reason. It takes wonderful images, with blown highlights belonging to the past.

Are you undergoing a mid-age crisis, or did your wife throw you out for excessive gear expense?

Am.
 
Jorginho wrote:

I know that, I have the Gh2 but the Gh2 can never shoot 18 Mpixels. If you announce an 18 MPixel cam you can shoot with it. So my bet is a brand new sensor and it is about time.
If you announce an 18 MP CAMERA, it means you can shoot 18 MP photos. Announcing that you are using an 18 MP sensor means just what it says - the sensor that is going into the camera has 18 MP. It doesn't mean, nor does it say, that the camera itself is 18 MP resolution in it's photos.
 
Very much an example of just how good the L-1 can be....

I consider the L-1 to be interchangeable with my E-330.. It only lacks the tilting screen. (I wont part with either of them.)
 
Donald Chin wrote:
Jorginho wrote:
M Hamilton wrote:

I would HAPPILY take OM-D image quality in a smaller package. I don't need a "giant leap forward" I don't think anyone does. The sensors of today are already fantastic. What most of us need is a sensor that physically jumps out of the camera and kicks us in the butt until we get out of the house, off the computer, and take more pictures.

:P
I noted that that IQ would be fine. Now becaue it is an 18 MPixel sensor I think it is highly unlikely that this will be a Sony sensor. So we need to compare probably with the Panasonic mFT sensors and these do need a good leap forward. Form 60 DxO points to about 73. That is what I mean. This cam with the G6 and I do not think it will be perceived as a very compelling cam.

The G6 with that Sony mFT sensor, at least subjectively, wuld have made a world of a difference. I would have bought it even for 100 euro more.

In short: GX7 needs a sensor on par with current Sony mFT sensors.
The sensor need to be better than D5200 ($700) if they want to ask for $1000+.

Price performance is extremely important, do you know why Sony did pretty well with RX100 & RX1 even though they aren't cheap? And A99 isn't successful at all even it shares a similar sensor as RX1 & Nikon D600?
 
herebefore wrote:

Very much an example of just how good the L-1 can be....

I consider the L-1 to be interchangeable with my E-330.. It only lacks the tilting screen. (I wont part with either of them.)
 
Just to point out that Olympus was actually first in the corner-VF DSLR with the E-330, and in fact the L1 reused the E-330's optical subsystem (lens mount, mirror box, viewfinder, auto focus and exposure sensors)
 
dougjgreen1 wrote:
Jorginho wrote:

I know that, I have the Gh2 but the Gh2 can never shoot 18 Mpixels. If you announce an 18 MPixel cam you can shoot with it. So my bet is a brand new sensor and it is about time.
If you announce an 18 MP CAMERA, it means you can shoot 18 MP photos. Announcing that you are using an 18 MP sensor means just what it says - the sensor that is going into the camera has 18 MP. It doesn't mean, nor does it say, that the camera itself is 18 MP resolution in it's photos.

I don't think Panny eve announced an 18 MPixel sensor for the Gh2. I know perfectly well what you are saying can be right and what you wrote down crossed my mind too. I am however convinced this is really a sensor where you can shoot 18 MPixels with. It is a new sensor, I am convinced about it. We'll see. if it is a Multiaspect 18 MPixel GH2 sensor allover again it is not for me.
 
Donald Chin wrote:
Jorginho wrote:
M Hamilton wrote:

I would HAPPILY take OM-D image quality in a smaller package. I don't need a "giant leap forward" I don't think anyone does. The sensors of today are already fantastic. What most of us need is a sensor that physically jumps out of the camera and kicks us in the butt until we get out of the house, off the computer, and take more pictures.

:P
I noted that that IQ would be fine. Now becaue it is an 18 MPixel sensor I think it is highly unlikely that this will be a Sony sensor. So we need to compare probably with the Panasonic mFT sensors and these do need a good leap forward. Form 60 DxO points to about 73. That is what I mean. This cam with the G6 and I do not think it will be perceived as a very compelling cam.

The G6 with that Sony mFT sensor, at least subjectively, wuld have made a world of a difference. I would have bought it even for 100 euro more.

In short: GX7 needs a sensor on par with current Sony mFT sensors.
The sensor need to be better than D5200 ($700) if they want to ask for $1000+.
You think these two cams are really comparable?
Price performance is extremely important, do you know why Sony did pretty well with RX100 & RX1 even though they aren't cheap? And A99 isn't successful at all even it shares a similar sensor as RX1 & Nikon D600?

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So Canon is selling pretty poorly for quite a few years by that theory I guess...
 
The L1 sensor will have considerably more trouble with highlights (DR), with low light, with tonality etc. this pic is indeed very nice, but not really testing the limits of the sensor.
 
Andy Crowe wrote:

Just to point out that Olympus was actually first in the corner-VF DSLR with the E-330, and in fact the L1 reused the E-330's optical subsystem (lens mount, mirror box, viewfinder, auto focus and exposure sensors)

Yes... I think the "innards" of the L-1 are just the E-330 with a different firmware.. They both do a great job within the limits of the sensor.. I continue to use both the L-1 and the E330 whenever I think the subject matter wont be better served by a different camera.. (I prefer them for shots I can take the time to "set up" like flowers, insects, landscapes etc. and odd shots of "found items".
 
Jorginho wrote:

The L1 sensor will have considerably more trouble with highlights (DR), with low light, with tonality etc. this pic is indeed very nice, but not really testing the limits of the sensor.

I leave "testing" to the measurebaters..

I prefer shooting over measuring, and I try to stay "within the limits" of what ever sensor Im shooting with.
 
Surely, you must realize that the sensor's specs are more important than how good the pictures are that are taken with it. At least that's the impression one gets from reading certain posters' contributions to this forum.
I only read and reply to those "certain Posters" for the "entertainment value".

Im old enough to have figured out that most of those who think they know all the answers on a given subject usually dont even really know what the question is.
 

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