Anyone excited about the new HVL 43 M ?

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I've pre-ordered two of them. Love to do wireless mc flash with the NEX6. My A57 does great with the 43AM already. The LED version wil likely help in short distance video and macro work.

Anyone also excited?

Regards Perry
 
perry rhodan wrote:

Ok. No One.

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Regards Perry
I bet most people interested in using wireless external flash have been inpatient and used the $20 adapter to get the flashes with old hotshoe adapted to 6. I have Nex-6 and Nex-7 + a 43AM and Metz 58 AF-2 so I'm always adapting to at least one camera. Personally I prefer the old hotshoe, the quick release is quite nice.

Personally I prefer the to use 6 and 43 with adapter because the adapter provides some extra clearance between the camera body and the flash; would not trade my 43AM to 43M even for free. IMO the 43AM sits too close to the Nex-7 and depending on the lens parts of the flash may actually be on the way while manual focusing; the slimmer profile near the hotshoe connector in the Metz makes it much nicer to use with 7.
 
I'll get one eventually. I wonder if newer NEX bodies with have an integrated radio. That would seal the deal. I dearly hate optical triggers. Give me radio and no color shift on a new body and I'll dance hard and wild at the Sony debutant ball.
 
perry rhodan wrote:

I've pre-ordered two of them. Love to do wireless mc flash with the NEX6. My A57 does great with the 43AM already. The LED version wil likely help in short distance video and macro work.

Anyone also excited?

Regards Perry
I can control the Metz using the NEX-6 pop-up flash.

If the NEX-6 had built-in wireless flash control, I would've considered the 43 (maybe even the 60 if it also had auto-flash).

Bart
 
I'd be more excited if the 43 were less expensive and/or the NEX bodies (at least the 6 and 7) could act as a commander. No technical reason they can't do this, just the marketing department wants to sell more -20 flashes.
 
paulcraig wrote:

I'd be more excited if the 43 were less expensive and/or the NEX bodies (at least the 6 and 7) could act as a commander. No technical reason they can't do this, just the marketing department wants to sell more -20 flashes.
I think they'd sell more of their 43 if they'd let the camera act as commander. They would've sold one to me.
 
you mean it can't be used off camera and have master and slave with the flash of the nex 6? No ttl? I am not very good with flashes but have used my canon gear that way and was hoping this new flash would be small and light and I could hold it in one hand and synchronize with the flash on the nex 6. what do you think. I see B&H is getting them on 10th July.
 
Fredy Ross wrote:

you mean it can't be used off camera and have master and slave with the flash of the nex 6? No ttl? I am not very good with flashes but have used my canon gear that way and was hoping this new flash would be small and light and I could hold it in one hand and synchronize with the flash on the nex 6. what do you think. I see B&H is getting them on 10th July.

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Nope. You have to get the HVL-F20M flash ($149) to act as a wireless commander. The worst part is acting as a commander/controller the -20 flash is only used to send control pulses to the bigger flashes.. You do get TTL flash metering though.

and i agree I might buy a 43 Or 58 flash if the NEX could act as commander. As it is now its a $150 Sony tax.
 
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perry rhodan wrote:

I've pre-ordered two of them. Love to do wireless mc flash with the NEX6. My A57 does great with the 43AM already. The LED version wil likely help in short distance video and macro work.

Anyone also excited?

Regards Perry
Yes, I am. However, none of my cameras is equipped with MIS. I hope to hear if the use of the flash in combination with the ADP-AMA is a viable option on cameras with the Alpha hotshoe.
 
Fredy Ross wrote:

you mean it can't be used off camera and have master and slave with the flash of the nex 6? No ttl? I am not very good with flashes but have used my canon gear that way and was hoping this new flash would be small and light and I could hold it in one hand and synchronize with the flash on the nex 6. what do you think. I see B&H is getting them on 10th July.
Correct. If you want to do that, the Metz 28, 52 or 58 are your only options and those would be manual flash (which works fine for me in most situations.). The Metz 28 is only wireless-it can't be easily mounted to the camera. It's good for macro lighting.

Bart

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paulcraig wrote:
Fredy Ross wrote:

you mean it can't be used off camera and have master and slave with the flash of the nex 6? No ttl? I am not very good with flashes but have used my canon gear that way and was hoping this new flash would be small and light and I could hold it in one hand and synchronize with the flash on the nex 6. what do you think. I see B&H is getting them on 10th July.

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Nope. You have to get the HVL-F20M flash ($149) to act as a wireless commander. The worst part is acting as a commander/controller the -20 flash is only used to send control pulses to the bigger flashes.. You do get TTL flash metering though.

and i agree I might buy a 43 Or 58 flash if the NEX could act as commander. As it is now its a $150 Sony tax.
One of my all time favourite features of Sony cameras taken off the table & the penalty is even greater when you can't trigger a handheld or remote flash with a NEX sized body. Where small size & portability is important, having to carry yet another flash for a trigger is pain on top of the tax!

Paul
 
On camera it works just fine. I just sat with the manuals of the flash and nex 6 and basically it says to set the flash on camera, setting the nex to wireless flash and then taking off the flash placing it opposite the object being photographed but in sight of the nex 6 whilst using the flash of the nex 6. For the life of me I can't get it to work that way. So if somebody knows what I am doing wrong I would be most grateful as the on camera flash works instead of the external flash.
 
Fredy Ross wrote:

On camera it works just fine. I just sat with the manuals of the flash and nex 6 and basically it says to set the flash on camera, setting the nex to wireless flash and then taking off the flash placing it opposite the object being photographed but in sight of the nex 6 whilst using the flash of the nex 6. For the life of me I can't get it to work that way. So if somebody knows what I am doing wrong I would be most grateful as the on camera flash works instead of the external flash.
 
Fredy Ross wrote:

the new one 43m yes it even has a diagram where to place the flash whilst holding up the camera flash.
My HVL-F43AM manual has that kind of diagram too, but nowhere does it specify what camera one can use as a commander. I have not seen the 43M manual, but I'd be willing to bet that one cannot use Nex-6 (or any Nex for that matter) built-in flash as commander, at minimum a HVL-F20M/AM is needed on the camera as the built-in flash on the Nexes cannot for some reason send any wireless flash control codes. As the problem is in the camera body this cannot be fixed by new flash, no matter how advanced.

Unless they have added a "manual stupid slave" mode into 43M that is triggered by any flash, like the Metz flashes have, it is quite unlikely you'll do any wireless flash using a single 43M on Nex. At least TTL is out of question.
 
well the manual says you can so I will try again tomorrow by putting it in the same position as the diagram. I was tired tonight to work it out. Thought somebody may know. tells you to set it on the camera and what you should see in the flash lcd and then take it off. only thing I learnt today was how to go back to factory default.
 
Fredy Ross wrote:

well the manual says you can so I will try again tomorrow by putting it in the same position as the diagram. I was tired tonight to work it out. Thought somebody may know. tells you to set it on the camera and what you should see in the flash lcd and then take it off. only thing I learnt today was how to go back to factory default.
 
tn1krr wrote:
Fredy Ross wrote:

the new one 43m yes it even has a diagram where to place the flash whilst holding up the camera flash.
My HVL-F43AM manual has that kind of diagram too, but nowhere does it specify what camera one can use as a commander. I have not seen the 43M manual, but I'd be willing to bet that one cannot use Nex-6 (or any Nex for that matter) built-in flash as commander, at minimum a HVL-F20M/AM is needed on the camera as the built-in flash on the Nexes cannot for some reason send any wireless flash control codes. As the problem is in the camera body this cannot be fixed by new flash, no matter how advanced.

Unless they have added a "manual stupid slave" mode into 43M that is triggered by any flash, like the Metz flashes have, it is quite unlikely you'll do any wireless flash using a single 43M on Nex. At least TTL is out of question.

I assume the 43M has "manual stupid slave" mode (a la studio flash behavior) and that'd be great if only the NEX-6 had manual flash. But it doesn't have that either. The Metz additionally has "servo" mode which just means it's smart enough to ignore the preflash and only trigger on the main flash. It's amazing how well it does work--even in very bright sunlight. I think Metz improved their wireless sensor on the 52. I used to own a Metz 58, and it wasn't that good outdoors.

Bart
 
Bart Hickman wrote:
tn1krr wrote:
Fredy Ross wrote:

the new one 43m yes it even has a diagram where to place the flash whilst holding up the camera flash.
My HVL-F43AM manual has that kind of diagram too, but nowhere does it specify what camera one can use as a commander. I have not seen the 43M manual, but I'd be willing to bet that one cannot use Nex-6 (or any Nex for that matter) built-in flash as commander, at minimum a HVL-F20M/AM is needed on the camera as the built-in flash on the Nexes cannot for some reason send any wireless flash control codes. As the problem is in the camera body this cannot be fixed by new flash, no matter how advanced.

Unless they have added a "manual stupid slave" mode into 43M that is triggered by any flash, like the Metz flashes have, it is quite unlikely you'll do any wireless flash using a single 43M on Nex. At least TTL is out of question.
I assume the 43M has "manual stupid slave" mode (a la studio flash behavior) and that'd be great if only the NEX-6 had manual flash. But it doesn't have that either. The Metz additionally has "servo" mode which just means it's smart enough to ignore the preflash and only trigger on the main flash. It's amazing how well it does work--even in very bright sunlight. I think Metz improved their wireless sensor on the 52. I used to own a Metz 58, and it wasn't that good outdoors.
I meant the Metz "Servo mode" too when referring to "stupid manual mode", but did not remember the correct term when writing that . If the flash has that then it can obviously triigered with any built-in flash too. Lot's of nice stuff on those Metz flashes, I bought my 58 Af-2 for high speed stuff only (it has shortest flash duration of 1/33000 with GN 3,5) to figure out that it can can do quite a lot stuff that a 43AM cannot. And it has more clearance than a 43AM when used with Nex-7.
 

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