New Kodak 52 x zoom !! AZ521

chiue · Jul 20, 2013

Sactojim said:
Sactojim wrote:

I don't see this Kodak model as a direct competitor to the Canon SX50, Nikon P510/520, or the Panasonic FZ200/FZ70.

Yep, the JK models are not competing in that level.

Sactojim said:
And why did Kodak go with a in-house lens and not the high quality Schneider lens?? A failure in my view.

Well, don't think it is Kodak decision, Kodak just sell the use of the "Kodak" name to whoever willing to license it. I don't think Kodak ever involved in the camera design. I think this China manufacturer also manufacture camera for HP or GE etc.

Sactojim said:
It seems their target market for this cam is entry level..fine and I understand that's a big market for the everyday consumer. That said, any camera enthusiast will pass this one by.

Based on the customer reveiw from HSN, you can tell most were everyday consumer.

Sactojim said:
They are coming out with a new 4/3 camera called the Pixpro S1. It looks interesting, this is a crowded segment. Who knows, sometimes Kodak (or whatever this marketing company is called) pulls a rabbit out of the hat with a camera with really good IQ like the Z990, Z915, and certainly the P880.

Wish them good luck.

MarioV · Jul 20, 2013

oldshutterbug said:
oldshutterbug wrote:

Well this old guy is as stuborn as a mule,

Lol. Thanks for clarifying that at the start.

oldshutterbug said:
after 55 years of photography I cant see that a 52x zoom is any good to anyone, to me it is just a joke.

Camera and lens technology has improved in 55 years. You don't have to keep using your Brownie camera.

oldshutterbug said:
Rather than use a useless 52x zoom it may be a good idea for photographers to get off their backsides and crawl. walk or ride a bike to get closer to the subject--

Yes, to some extent I do agree with this. The challenge is to find ways to get closer to the subject. But its not always practical is it? You cant walk off a cliff, or move closer to the lion, or climb a tall tree to get closer to a bird (which would fly away even if you tried), or jump up closer to the moon, or swim out to sea, etc etc

oldshutterbug said:
Likke it has already been said its the photographer that is in charge of photography not the camera so why buy a toy with a 52x zoom. there is no way that a zoom of this length is going to provide in sharp photos over its entire focal length.

It certainly is possible. The best example I have is the Nikon P510. Sharp and distortion free throughout its entire range, wide to full tele. The Canon SX50 is good too. So far, it appears that the Panasonic FZ70 does a good job.

It not impossible.

oldshutterbug · Jul 20, 2013

MarioV said:
MarioV wrote:

MarioV said:

oldshutterbug wrote:

Well this old guy is as stuborn as a mule,

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Lol. Thanks for clarifying that at the start.

MarioV said:

after 55 years of photography I cant see that a 52x zoom is any good to anyone, to me it is just a joke.

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Camera and lens technology has improved in 55 years. You don't have to keep using your Brownie camera.

MarioV said:

Rather than use a useless 52x zoom it may be a good idea for photographers to get off their backsides and crawl. walk or ride a bike to get closer to the subject--

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Yes, to some extent I do agree with this. The challenge is to find ways to get closer to the subject. But its not always practical is it? You cant walk off a cliff, or move closer to the lion, or climb a tall tree to get closer to a bird (which would fly away even if you tried), or jump up closer to the moon, or swim out to sea, etc etc

MarioV said:

Likke it has already been said its the photographer that is in charge of photography not the camera so why buy a toy with a 52x zoom. there is no way that a zoom of this length is going to provide in sharp photos over its entire focal length.

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It certainly is possible. The best example I have is the Nikon P510. Sharp and distortion free throughout its entire range, wide to full tele. The Canon SX50 is good too. So far, it appears that the Panasonic FZ70 does a good job.

It not impossible.

I should just let this reply go sunshine but I hardly think I am using a box brownie, as a matter of fact I never owned one.

Like everything in life we are entitled to our opinion , sometimes in life we tend to not agree with each others observations thats what makes life interesting

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Bassy · Jul 21, 2013

50 times zoom and i still have 198 jay pictures to show

oldshutterbug · Jul 21, 2013

Cant help but be negative regarding a 52x zoom on a $300 so called prosumer camera, if this type of camera is so wondeful how come the major DSLR manufacturers havent cottoned on to them,

The longest focal length zoom that I could obtain herein Oz is a Sigma 300 - 800mm lens, cost $9,999, cant imagine much class from the glass of a low priced 52x zoom camera with this type of optics, there must be some lens distortion at tha price point.

JamesD2 · Jul 21, 2013

Sactojim said:
Sactojim wrote:

It seems their target market for this cam is entry level..fine and I understand that's a big market for the everyday consumer. That said, any camera enthusiast will pass this one by.

And according to everything I've read recently, the entry level folks are using their phones rather than toting around an extra body... even an entry-level body. We're seeing a decline in entry-level cameras and it would appear that Kodak (and its successors) have once again failed to understand the marketplace. Very sad.

Hear2see · Jul 21, 2013

Member said:
JamesD2 wrote:

Member said:

Sactojim wrote:

It seems their target market for this cam is entry level..fine and I understand that's a big market for the everyday consumer. That said, any camera enthusiast will pass this one by.

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And according to everything I've read recently, the entry level folks are using their phones rather than toting around an extra body... even an entry-level body. We're seeing a decline in entry-level cameras and it would appear that Kodak (and its successors) have once again failed to understand the marketplace. Very sad.

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the entry level folks are using their phones rather than toting around an extra body

James you're right on target.

oldshutterbug · Jul 21, 2013

Member said:
JamesD2 wrote:

Member said:

Sactojim wrote:

It seems their target market for this cam is entry level..fine and I understand that's a big market for the everyday consumer. That said, any camera enthusiast will pass this one by.

Click to expand...

And according to everything I've read recently, the entry level folks are using their phones rather than toting around an extra body... even an entry-level body. We're seeing a decline in entry-level cameras and it would appear that Kodak (and its successors) have once again failed to understand the marketplace. Very sad.

JamesD2 · Jul 21, 2013

oldshutterbug said:
oldshutterbug wrote:

oldshutterbug said:

JamesD2 wrote:

And according to everything I've read recently, the entry level folks are using their phones rather than toting around an extra body... even an entry-level body. We're seeing a decline in entry-level cameras and it would appear that Kodak (and its successors) have once again failed to understand the marketplace. Very sad.

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oldshutterbug · Jul 22, 2013

pretty amazing James, I has a Nokia N8 with 12mp and Zeiss lens that was a great camera but a lousy phone operating system, 41mp sounds strange why not 40 or 42.

I would be interested to see how this pans out and who else follows suit, could well be the end of compact cameras, not forgetting Samsung have a camera with a phone inside as well.

Anthony Sullivan · Jul 23, 2013

Would love to see what the IQ is like. Does anyone know if the JK Imaging cameras will be avaible in Australia?

I know the UK has just started seeing these.

oldshutterbug · Jul 23, 2013

Anthony Sullivan said:
Babya wrote:

Would love to see what the IQ is like. Does anyone know if the JK Imaging cameras will be avaible in Australia?

I know the UK has just started seeing these.

Without any Kodak Express outlets in existance here in Oz I doubt that JK cameras will be sold here, I also doubt any retailers like Teds would bother with any Kodak badged cameras as they have plenty of quality brand cameras to sell, also speaking from experience its a waste of time asking Teds or Harvey Norman stores if they have Kodak cameras because they think you must be some kind of freak with two heads, they usually say why on earth would you want a Kodak, I used to just walk out without answering.

Don't hold your breath Babya you may have to buy online.

Cyril Catt · Jul 25, 2013

n3eg said:
n3eg wrote:

The Canon SX50HS is the current long zoom leader, and it is stabilized all the way out to 4x digital zoom. We'll have to find out if this one will beat it.

The Panasonic FZ70 matches it for optical reach, but at 60x (20 to 1200 mm) exceeds it for magnification, though falls behind with only 2x digital zoom

MarioV · Jul 25, 2013

Cyril Catt said:
Cyril Catt wrote:

Cyril Catt said:

n3eg wrote:

The Canon SX50HS is the current long zoom leader, and it is stabilized all the way out to 4x digital zoom. We'll have to find out if this one will beat it.

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The Panasonic FZ70 matches it for optical reach, but at 60x (20 to 1200 mm) exceeds it for magnification, though falls behind with only 2x digital zoom

Giklab · Aug 16, 2013

Could I just throw this out there: Ever since the dawn of camera technology there was the phenomenon known as "new product bashing". This is made of people saying that it's useless and how nobody in their right mind would buy it, or, god forbid, actually use it to take pics. And, as was already mentioned, the 'impossible to handhold' argument is as old as long lenses. (I bet somebody said this when the first 200mm lens was made).

Also, everybody keeps mentioning that the photographer is the key to good images. Don't you think that a competent photographer can take amazing images with this "toy" as well?

Edit: sorry for the weird line breaks, the editor is acting up again.

Sir Corey of Deane · Aug 16, 2013

I don't consider the AZ521 a 'toy' but the reason I could never consider it is its lack of an EVF, and holding such a long-zoom like a prayer book is hardly conducive to composition, framing or sharpness - not to mention LCD washout in bright sunlight where it would be next to impossible to compose or frame anyway.

And unfortunately for the AZ521, in the UK one can buy a long-zoomer which does have an EVF for a similar price and producing colours that, for me, an an acceptable alternative to Kodak's. The Fuji pic I have recently posted is an example of that and if someone else had posted it with missing exif data and said it was from a Kodak, I could easily believe it.

I see no line breaks in your post!

Robert.

oldshutterbug · Aug 17, 2013

Giklab said:
Giklab wrote:

Could I just throw this out there: Ever since the dawn of camera technology there was the phenomenon known as "new product bashing". This is made of people saying that it's useless and how nobody in their right mind would buy it, or, god forbid, actually use it to take pics. And, as was already mentioned, the 'impossible to handhold' argument is as old as long lenses. (I bet somebody said this when the first 200mm lens was made).

Also, everybody keeps mentioning that the photographer is the key to good images. Don't you think that a competent photographer can take amazing images with this "toy" as well?

Edit: sorry for the weird line breaks, the editor is acting up again.

Hi there, cannot remember to much camera bashing going on until the first showing of 35mm autofocus cameras in the early 80s, before that most if not all equipment was greeted with enthusiasm.

I put this product bashing down to the age of the photographer, peoplemy age 70 know a decent no frills manual camera will take photos as good as todays all whiz bang gadget loaded cameras.

On the other side of the coin a younger photographer could not imagine using anything less than a camera loaded with features.

IMO cant teach an old dog new tricks and in many cases it would be a waste of time, so long as we enjoy photography and are happy with whatever gear we use that is what is important.

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JamesD2 · Aug 17, 2013

As usual you're right on the money, Dave.

Hear2see · Aug 17, 2013

oldshutterbug said:
oldshutterbug wrote:

oldshutterbug said:

Giklab wrote:

Could I just throw this out there: Ever since the dawn of camera technology there was the phenomenon known as "new product bashing". This is made of people saying that it's useless and how nobody in their right mind would buy it, or, god forbid, actually use it to take pics. And, as was already mentioned, the 'impossible to handhold' argument is as old as long lenses. (I bet somebody said this when the first 200mm lens was made).

Also, everybody keeps mentioning that the photographer is the key to good images. Don't you think that a competent photographer can take amazing images with this "toy" as well?

Edit: sorry for the weird line breaks, the editor is acting up again.

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Hi there, cannot remember to much camera bashing going on until the first showing of 35mm autofocus cameras in the early 80s, before that most if not all equipment was greeted with enthusiasm.

I put this product bashing down to the age of the photographer, peoplemy age 70 know a decent no frills manual camera will take photos as good as todays all whiz bang gadget loaded cameras.

On the other side of the coin a younger photographer could not imagine using anything less than a camera loaded with features.

IMO cant teach an old dog new tricks and in many cases it would be a waste of time, so long as we enjoy photography and are happy with whatever gear we use that is what is important.

Regards
Dave
Downunder.
Be who you are, say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

Blackbear · Aug 17, 2013

Hear2see said:
Hear2see wrote:

Hear2see said:

oldshutterbug wrote:

Hear2see said:

Giklab wrote:

Could I just throw this out there: Ever since the dawn of camera technology there was the phenomenon known as "new product bashing". This is made of people saying that it's useless and how nobody in their right mind would buy it, or, god forbid, actually use it to take pics. And, as was already mentioned, the 'impossible to handhold' argument is as old as long lenses. (I bet somebody said this when the first 200mm lens was made).

Also, everybody keeps mentioning that the photographer is the key to good images. Don't you think that a competent photographer can take amazing images with this "toy" as well?

Edit: sorry for the weird line breaks, the editor is acting up again.

Click to expand...

Hi there, cannot remember to much camera bashing going on until the first showing of 35mm autofocus cameras in the early 80s, before that most if not all equipment was greeted with enthusiasm.

I put this product bashing down to the age of the photographer, peoplemy age 70 know a decent no frills manual camera will take photos as good as todays all whiz bang gadget loaded cameras.

On the other side of the coin a younger photographer could not imagine using anything less than a camera loaded with features.

IMO cant teach an old dog new tricks and in many cases it would be a waste of time, so long as we enjoy photography and are happy with whatever gear we use that is what is important.

Regards
Dave
Downunder.
Be who you are, say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

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LOL. Well Charlie,

that is some modern equipment! I only have one question. How do you sync with a P880?

Surely the P880 must be too old for that............ ;-)

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