My NX 300 beats my D7100 with kits lenses

Many are offended for what the op stated. And have a look around, on this same forum, or on other sites, when something good is said about samsung nx, the haters arrive no paranoia at all, I laugh at this attitude. I could be wrong, but I think it will be much different in two years from now, imho.

marike6 said:

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It has a far better AF system that can actually track a moving subject, something ALL mirrorless cameras except the Nikon 1s are terrible at.

As far as LiveView, the D7100 has a bright, beautiful 100% Pentaprism VF so you don't have to shoot shaky cell-phone style with your arms stretched out. There are very few situations where LiveView is even necessary with a D7100.

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Also, mirrorless cameras and DSLR shooting using LiveView tend to produce more noise the longer they're used continuously.

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Give the camera a short rest so that it cools back down. Indeed, have you just left the camera out in the hot sun for three hours while shooting? The rule of thumb is that noise increases at the sensor in visible increments every 5 degrees F. Hmm. Death Valley in the summer is sounding like a serious potential noise-fest.

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http://www.bythom.com/discipline.htm

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The D7100 is one of the top APS-C cameras out right now which is why DPR gave it a Gold Award and a score of 85% (one of the highest ever).

As far as IQ, we know from DxOMark that the D7100 (and D5200) have the best performing sensors of any APS-C camera. To say that you like the JPEGs better from the NX300 doesn't mean a whole lot without seeing some side-by-side images (DPR didn't review the NX300).

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It's easier to get high resolution images from mirrorless cameras than from DSLRs, but that's because many photographers aren't aware of the necessary techniques to use when shooting with DSLRs. The D7100 should easily produce higher resolution image than the NX300, provided that they both use excellent lenses and the DSLR shooter understands how to optimize its images. This is explained in Thom Hogan's "Discipline" article, which was also the source of the this and the previous quote.

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I keep writing about "shot discipline," so perhaps it's time that I laid out what I mean by that phrase. Another word I use to talk about the same thing is "optimization." If you optimize your equipment, your procedures, your settings, and your data collection, you end up with pixels at the other end that are the best that they can be. So just what do I mean when I use these terms?

It starts before you photograph. Here are the five big items to consider:

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tecnoworld said:

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Why looking at nx20 when nx210 is tested as well?

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Why not? Looking at the NX210 seems to suggest that Samsung has made some real changes, but when you look at the NX20 it seems they may have improved high iso a bit but not much more. The NX300 sensor isn't as ground breaking as you'd want us to believe. But then, the sensor in my NX1000 is pretty good already ;-)

tecnoworld said:

5 points difference, i.e 1/3 stop difference. Not much as well, but at these levels, these are the differences to be expected among different generations.

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Comparing to the NX20 tells me that this is not a generations thing.

tecnoworld said:

The k5 ii, one of the best aps-c scoring cam, has the same difference over the nx300, in dxo (but nx300 has 25% more mpixels).

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So, in your words: the k5 II is much better than the NX300.

tecnoworld said:

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Hi Adrian, yes nx210 and nx300 have different sensors. Same mp count, but nx300 has a much better sensor:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Pu...210-camera-reviews-compact-and-well-connected

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Impressive scores on your link for DXOmark for mirrorless on NX300 and add phase detect hybrid sensor make this a compelling camera. I may consider Samsung as my next compact system upgrade. Overall scores in 3 categories actually outscores Panasonic G6 and Olympus EPL5 by a small margin, and just under Nex 6 by a small amount. This makes NX300 (at$799) one of the top choices in mirrorless performance, as far as these categories in:
including colour depth, low light performance and overall score. Sony brand including Nex6 ($900) was only the one higher in these categories. For others reading this, see link above this comment.

The advantage of having phase detect on sensor for low light photos and not just contrast detect like Olympus EPL5 (or other m43 models) would solve some issues some of us have in very low light with m43 to capture action, like I do with my older Pen EPL1. I am sure Olympus and Panasonic are working on it, though, but Samsung already has it. Keep also in mind, other factors for a system include lens selection, and user controls on body for user enjoyment. I also know the newer Pens are faster than mine.

Scores of NX300 vs a Nikon D7100 are different. Interesting that the colour depth was only a little less for Samsung than for Nikon. Not far off for colour. Overall Nikon did better in DR, and especially in low light 1246 to 942. Do not see a sharpness test though. Link for D7100 scores..

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca...and)/Nikon/(appareil2)/851|0/(brand2)/Samsung

That's why I'd really like to see 2 pics side by side, made by a good and unbiased photographer. Best would be w/o exif and let ppl decide which is better and only after this reveal which is from which camera.

Nx20 was the high end product, nx210 and nx300 are the medium end. I'd expect a future nx30 to perform around the 80 dxo marks.

As said, k5ii is probably the best aps-c camera iq wise. Yes, I consider it better than nx300 in this strict field, since it has an edge of about 1/2 stop in high iso and 1/3 stop in dr. As said, it has 25% less mpixel, though, so nx300 could have an edge in resolution.

Besides nx300 has many edges in features and size.

tecnoworld said:

tecnoworld wrote:

Many are offended for what the op stated.

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But that's not because the NX300 is believed to be bad. The problem lies with the fact that the op seems to suggest that the NX300 is a better camera than a D7100. Which would be ridiculous. Not because the D7100 is a better camera perse, but because the only 'proof' he provides is purely subjective.

tecnoworld said:

And have a look around, on this same forum, or on other sites, when something good is said about samsung nx, the haters arrive

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I have commented on the op but I don't hate Samsung NX. I like my NX1000 very much. It is true though that not many people seem to really appreciate the quality of the NX cameras. There's a saying in my language that says something like 'unknown makes unloved'. I don't know if there's an english equivalent but it sure seems true in case of NX ;-)

I'm glad that open minded ppl like you take time to consider an underdog like nx300. Unfortunately, you are one of few. Anyway the differences in scores among nx300 and 7100 are about 1/3 to 1/2 stop. Really small and hardly noticeable, for such a tiny camera compared to a big and mighty one.

Besides nx has some great and fast lenses. Have a look at some of them here

:http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Pu...ng-NX-prime-lens-reviews-five-models-measured

I like that saying.

Anyway the problem is that most "haters" don't even want to try nx cameras

Member said:

Greynerd wrote:

Classic DPR put down line this one to anyone who likes inferior kit.

Member said:

marike6 wrote:

But I'm glad you are happy with your NX300.

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I guess that you missed Nikonworks' earlier replies to marike6 :

Member said:

Sorry my post seems to offend you in some emotional way.

Many people tie up their ego with their cameras.

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Don't be offended, please.

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If you're right, that was a very mild put down line, but you may be reading more into it than was intended. An earlier reply by Bryan M said essentially the same thing and it seems clear that it was only intended in a positive way.

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How about some pictures to complete the thread? I'm glad you like the camera.

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Anyone fairly assessing Nikonworks' reply should easily see that it was not only intentionally insulting but it was written in a way that the insult would be obvious. Since you haven't chastised Nikonworks yet, how far would he have to raise the temperature before you'd feel uncomfortable enough to consider criticizing him too?

tecnoworld said:

tecnoworld wrote:

Many are offended for what the op stated. And have a look around, on this same forum, or on other sites, when something good is said about samsung nx, the haters arrive no paranoia at all, I laugh at this attitude. I could be wrong, but I think it will be much different in two years from now, imho.

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That might be true, but wouldn't it be better if you made this comment in other sites or threads when the "haters" as you call them are actually saying something bad about NX cameras.

I think you and Nikonworks are misinterpreting some of the comments here as being against NX when they really are not. I personally like my NX300, but I questioned the logic behind the original post. Does that make me a hater?

I was hoping the OP would clarify how he compared the 2 cameras and why he preferred the NX300. Unfortunately he misunderstood and became offended by many of the replies and has responded with mostly defensive and childish comments.

tecnoworld said:

tecnoworld wrote:

That's why I'd really like to see 2 pics side by side, made by a good and unbiased photographer. Best would be w/o exif and let ppl decide which is better and only after this reveal which is from which camera.

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That would be worth seeing, but how does one find a good and unbiased photographer that has both cameras? And not just good at photography in general but good at knowing the technology well enough to be able to do valid comparisons that are able to show subtle differences that would escape other good photographers. For instance, as DPReview and Thom Hogan has pointed out, the D7100's photosites are so small that starting at about f/5.6 and definitely by f/8, it's all but impossible to see higher resolution from the 24mp D7100 than from the 16mp D7000. Yet most 'good' photographers might do their tests at f/5.6 and f/8, knowing from past experience that it's likely to produce higher resolution. But that's not the best way to compare the latest super-high resolution cameras.

I should add that while I have a Nikon DSLR or two I'm also invested in Samsung's NX, having an NX100, NX200 and an NX20. But as far as I'm concerned it doesn't really matter which camera would come out on top in the comparisons, Samsung or Nikon, since they're all at a level that's more than good enough for any types of photography that I'd want to use them for. Threads like this one are silly and counterproductive because instead of saying "Here's why I like the NX300 and why it suits me best" it turns into a "Here's why the NX300 is better than the D7100" that's almost guaranteed to function as little more than polarizing flame bait.

photoreddi said:

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Threads like this one are silly and counterproductive because instead of saying "Here's why I like the NX300 and why it suits me best" it turns into a "Here's why the NX300 is better than the D7100" that's almost guaranteed to function as little more than polarizing flame bait.

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Well said!

You are actually very, very right.

Yes, you are probably right. The fact is that other posters are showing up in every thread about nx300, just to say how much it's bad, w/o having tested it

I really hope an unbiased review from dpr about nx300 can be out soon. This camera has scored top on most sites/magazines up to now, so I really hope in a final score well over 80% and a gold award here on dpr.

rich07 said:

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I'm thinking of purchasing the nx300 to replace my NEX 5.

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I've been checking mirrorless cameras (Fuji, Samsung, Panasonic, Pentax) to see if it's time to change my aging NEX-5N. I must say Sony is still holding well in comparison, I would only consider Fuji a viable candidate. Samsung is a great camera in many respects, probably the best value for $, but high ISO isn't quite there.

P.S. if you are a jpeg shooter, imaging-resource comparomenter in my experience is close to what I've seen playing with those cameras. If you're a raw shooter, those images are not representative.

He is just saying in the Samsung forum that he prefers the NX300 to the D7100. He does not have to prove it as these things are so subjective you can trade statistics for a week and get absolutely nowhere. It is just his opinion yet everyone wades in demanding proof. The title said'the NX300 beats the D7100 with kit lenses'. This is described as wildly exaggerated and inflammatory which are wild exaggerations in themselves and show a rather sensitive reaction to criticism of the D7100.

I have just read the drubbing Technoworld gets in the EOS-M forum. I do like photography but we get really mean when we try to communicate with each other so enough for the moment. Good night all.

de_klaas wrote:

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tecnoworld wrote:

Many are offended for what the op stated.

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But that's not because the NX300 is believed to be bad. The problem lies with the fact that the op seems to suggest that the NX300 is a better camera than a D7100. Which would be ridiculous. Not because the D7100 is a better camera perse, but because the only 'proof' he provides is purely subjective.

de_klaas said:

And have a look around, on this same forum, or on other sites, when something good is said about samsung nx, the haters arrive

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I have commented on the op but I don't hate Samsung NX. I like my NX1000 very much. It is true though that not many people seem to really appreciate the quality of the NX cameras. There's a saying in my language that says something like 'unknown makes unloved'. I don't know if there's an english equivalent but it sure seems true in case of NX ;-)

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hello,

just want to share this if this may help in objective discussion. not here to join rage fighting between males. laugh.

camera native raw files:

nx20 srw 6400 iso


nx300 srw 6400 iso


Nikon nef 6400 iso


Canon T5i cr2 6400 iso


comparison between nx20 and nx300 shown from link is same result I get with personal srw files from both cameras. if only small improvement I get from nx300 from nx20, I will not be happy with samsung. this is actual result we see. not dxo score difference which my opinion give people wrong idea and make conclusion if there is improvement or not.

as mentioned by me before, I suspect something different with nx300 srw files from previous camera. there is noticeable enhancement or improvement where I like quality as high as 12,800 iso unlike previous model where stop at 3200 is boundary of lowlight quality.

I like srw files best. looks it has higher acutance(?) and pleasing grain look much better than smudgy and blocky look of chroma noise from other cameras. thus making image cleaner and smoother. must mention that D7100 has better retain on minute shade of detail in reds than any cameras, that's all. overall picture in srw however is best.

I think it is compliment that nx300 is compared with D7100. shows quality and value. if comparison was between D7100 and NX20, I will say D7100. with nx300, I think samsung deserve appreciation.

true. my observation is some people react only on title nx300 beating d7100.content is both subjective and objective. has truth to it from what is stated.

I think reaction is good thing if comes with open mind and not brand bias. maybe reaction will make other people try camera and see if there is truth to statement or not. or choose to believe that there is only one camera brand for them. but I say Nokia Lumia 1020 beat everybody. laugh.

Adrian Van said:

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Nikonworks wrote:

Adrian Van said:

tecnoworld wrote:

I'd also be interested in some comparison shots. A friend of mine, living in another city, bought a nx300 after seeing mine. He used to have a nikon 7100 as well, but sold it before getting the nx300 so when I asked him to send me some comparison shots he was not able to do that.

He states that, based on his own experience, the nx300 is always better in jpg and comparable in raw. But I'd also like to see some side by side.

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............Having top glass on Nikon APSC, my Nikon 16-85mm lens is far superior to the kit lens for sharpness. I have used both. Putting sharp primes like 35mm G or 50mm G or micro 60mm, also produce very sharp images and thus more detail obtained. (Or the bigger FX lens like 24-70, 24-120mm).

Saying that Samsung has more detail in jpegs OOC, over Nikon D7100, can be misleading. Using very high quality glass lens and increasing sharpness would probably make this statement not true, as the sensor is the same. Also, Nikon D7100 has no AA filter.

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Respectfully, I am not misleading anybody.

Did you even read the title of this thread:

Here it is: "My NX 300 beats my D7100 with kits lenses "

Duuhhh!