Which makes a lot of sense on a tiny little phone screen. Admittedly, it is something new Windows 8 brings to the table, but it's hardly worth sacrificing ease of use for.
That is not what the statistics are showing. iPhone sales are increasing. Yes, sales of other mobile OS'es are also increasing, but there is no support in statistics for people abandoning iOS for other OS'es. On the contrary, iOS has tremendously strong retainment stats. People buying Windows 8 phones tend to be first time smartphone buyers, and people abandon Windows for Android and iOS, not the other way around.
Then you are only using about half the functionality of iOS (and this is going to get even worse for you in iOS7). But I won't tell you about the rest, as I wouldn't want to add any cognitive burden to your already over complicated life.
Hardly advanced. I'm surprised you're able to navigate around the web (this site included) while thinking that hovering is an "advanced" action.
You must have a really hard time in life if the most you can wrap your head around is click, shift and Ctrl (and sometimes Alt if you REALLY strain yourself).
And it must be sad and horribly inconvenient to have such a limited capacity.
It's as non-sensical as it comes, clicking Start to end. Surely you must remember the similar such complaints about where "Shut Down" was in Win 95.
Computers are tools, and as such they must be operated, which will require the use of your brain. Perhaps the day will come where you can just sit back and your computer will just work naturally without any input, but that is not today (and you would likely hate it as it won't be using click, Shift and Ctrl)
Spoken just like a child. You aren't getting it your way so you are digging in your heels and refusing to adapt.
Probably less. I only use what I need.
Doubtful. I can still start and close apps, and that is pretty much what I use iOS for.
I appreciate that. I have enough useless knowledge as it is.
I never hover on the 'web. Where is that required?
Clicking without cues is even worse. Why should I have to grab the mouse and start hunting for invisible toggles when I want to get something done? What's the value add for me in that?
What I use in my daily writing and what I can wrap my head around are completely different things. I get no value from using other keys, or from constantly reaching for the mouse, and while Windows 8 demands I do so it provides me with nothing new for doing it. Windows 8 has simply removed my power of expression and placed demands I use other ways to accomplish that which used to be easy and convenient.
Not really. By focusing on learning that which stays with us I can master a lot of systems instead of sticking with the latest flavor of Windows. It's going away soon anyway. It always does.
Can't say I remember those, no. But it makes a lot more sense than having shut down in "settings". That's a whole lot worse.
And as they are tools, they should help us use them with cues. Otherwise I might as well skip the UI and just use console.
Yup. And I am not alone in this. Adoption rates of Windows 8 are record low. Why should I adapt to an asinine system which works against me, when I don't have to? It takes a "special" kind of maturity to think that's a good idea.
Funny how little of what I write you actually read (or perhaps it is comprehend) before you spin out on la-la land. I use UI's which help me and make my life easier all the time, and I learn new ones several times a year. I work with dozens of different systems, some of which have very steep learning curves and some of which are obvious at first glance. What they all have in common is that they make decent (if not perfect) trade-offs between ease of use and power. Those who require me to memorize how to accomplish things provide a lot of power in return. Those who are only there to provide me with basic functionality have cues and lower my cognitive load highly efficiently.
If you aren't using hovering anywhere on the web, then you are certainly using a more circuitous method of navigation than is necessary.
The corners are the four easiest places to precisely locate on the screen. There are hard stops on two of the four directions of motion.
You can "master" a lot of systems, so long as they they only use combinations of click and Ctrl and Shift (and god help them if they try and force you to use Alt, or if the areas they ask you to click are too large, or too small or anything that isn't in line with your one way of thinking).
It's a whole lot of the same. Something that doesn't really make sense, but is more than easy to locate once you know where it is.
Cues may be helpful for learning, but aren't necessarily more useful during actual operation.
No one is asking you to. See below.
Yes, we've all heard about your supposed expertise and your highly specific needs in this area, though that expertise is rather belied by the fact that your unwillingness to learn something new smacks of an actual inability to do so.
Again, just don't use it if you don't like it.
Not true, according to IDC Android had 75% market share during 1Q 2013 while Apple had 17.3%.
Yes, it is true.
Which has zero relevance to your claim that people are abandoning Apple for Windows and Android. Apple are still selling more in 2013 than in 2012, and the increase in Android is mostly from feature phone upgrades and those who abandon Windows. And the increase in Windows is almost completely from feature phone upgrades.
Market share yes. But it's not a matter of them being "not 'cool'" and people abandoning them, like you claimed.
I must reiterate the yawn here. You're refusing to acknowledge that anyone's views might differ from yours and still be valid. You're right, you're not worth the cognitive effort to correct your cognitive dissonance. After all, it is yours.
My cognitive space is serene. I personally enjoy Windows 8, I also enjoy talking about it, and I am perfectly fine if others don't share that opinion. You, on the other hand, seem to be displeased with all those things, which makes me wonder why you are here? Surely, your already taxed intellect has something better to do.
I'm sure you can provide a link that confirms your beliefs ?
I did.
What's wrong with that one? It contains links to sources as well. Why are they inadequate?
Which is why you're so tolerant of dissenting opinion, I take it.
Your arguments belie your words. Using belittling language and insults when your arguments are not accepted at face value is not the actions of someone who is "perfectly fine" with dissenting opinion.
Because apologists are tricking consumers into buying an OS which is not good for their casual use. A contention, by the by, you (or anyone) have yet to counter.
What I use my taxed intellect for is my choice. I choose not to use it on learning doomed UI's but instead on arguing on the Internets.
My position has always been that new users should give Windows 8 an honest try and make their minds up for themselves. Some may hate it, but others may like it.
And then to reject their conclusions as biased because they do not conform to your views.
You really ought to learn how to read. It would serve you well in your career as well as in your online debates.
You. You mischaracterize my position to score "points", you refuse to acknowledge that parts of an operating system such as cues may have more than one purpose, and you in general hold that you're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong - and your argument is that anyone who has given Windows 8 a serious try and concluded it's horrible has not really given it a serious try.
I am, since I worked in IT training and have to support multiple users at work and in my circle of friends. Unlike you I know how people use OS'es.
Then do that instead of arguing against straw men.
No, I reject YOUR conclusion because it is based off of stubborn ignorance. You not wanting to bother to learn something new is not sufficient "evidence" that it is "broken" for those that are willing to do so.
Now, if I were YOU I'd say that I don't need to read as it places too much cognitive burden on me. But, be assured, I have spared you a few cognitive cycles and have fully read and understood all your posts.
I have acknowledged MANY times that the lack of visual cues are a barrier to learning the OS and that MS would have done well to provide a better introduction to the less visual aspects of the operating systems. I also have stated my opinion that, in general, once you take a moment to learn the basic navigation philosophy that this issue becomes largely moot.
You, yourself stated that you haven't really used it. If you can't be bothered to learn even the most basic aspects of a system, how much could you have really used it? Enough to make an informed conclusion? I'd say not.
I have explained many times that I feel the lack of visual cues is an extension of the general direction of mobile computing that we see in very common use in systems such as iOS and Android OS. I have stated my opinion that the ability of the system to scale to various device sizes makes it extremely valuable for causal use. I have also stated that for those situation in which you need a traditional desktop environment that all such functionality is still right there, and is easily accessible.
That is your opinion. I could hold the same opinion about you. In fact I do, since you are ignorant about my stance despite me having outlined it several times.
Correct. Good thing that isn't my argument.
Don't use phrases you don't understand.
That's not what you have spared me. And if you have understood my posts then you're incapable of forming cogent arguments based on your understanding. My money is on that you don't understand. You don't appear daft enough to actually believe you're countering what I'm saying if you had understood it.
And therein lies the problem. You're stuck in "lack of cues means one thing and one thing only", and refuse to even accept other arguments. However, you're also not countering them, meaning you have either not even realized they've been made or have no counter. Again, my bet is you haven't actually read what I (and others) have written.
And that is mere opinion, and that of a power user unable to empathize with casual users at that.
This is a clear admission that you're ASSUMING that others have uninformed opinions without even taking the time to consider they might have spent a fair amount of time and effort before deciding what the advantages and disadvantages of Windows 8 are.
Every time I have been shown to be wrong.
Do you know what my standards of "really used it" are? Unless you do, how can you know how much I have actually used Windows 8?
Your opinion is noted. It's based on no understanding of my usage patterns at all, and will be evaluated from that perspective.
And that observation is wrong. Those OS'es do not abandon visual cues. On the contrary, they are both centered around them. That is why iOS is so popular; it's very visual, leading the user into what can be done with it.
Ignoring the main value add for casual use; cues.
That's a small grace, considering the traditional desktop vanishes if you select the wrong program or for that matter go to a corner to ask for a start menu - and instead get a start screen.
Which "advantages"? You provide none. All you say is "it works for me".
