1000 terabytes on a DVD - yes please!

M Lammerse wrote:
chris_uk wrote:

This seems promising for storage needs in the future.

http://phys.org/news/2013-06-storage-terabytes-dvd.html
It does...but we have seen such kind of 'promises' many times before. Lighting fast HD's of thousands of Terabytes. So I prefer to see it as a promise! :-)
You know, I've seen science news reports about technology "breakthroughs" but have never seen anything near them come into a real product. Why? I wouldn't be surprised if "big business" buys up the technology and puts the patents on the shelf to maintain their old technology industry they earn big profits on.
 
More to the point, who's comfortable with having 1000 tb stored in one place? How many do you have to burn to be comfortable?

Wonder how long it takes to burn 1000 tb? I'm already 65, I might not make it. :)

I get nervous with 32 gb CF cards. :)

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chris_uk wrote:

This seems promising for storage needs in the future.

http://phys.org/news/2013-06-storage-terabytes-dvd.html
The usefulness of this will depend a lot on write speed and longevity, but it could present a real breakthrough for archival and offline storage for large companies and data centres as it would require far fewer devices and discs.

Question would be about write speed and longevity. 30-40 year lifespan would be useful, but 100 years would be great....
 
Can you imagine how long it will take to burn a 1000 TB disc? Can you imagine how many opportunities for disc coasters? Sounds like a nice "concept."
 
RedFox88 wrote:
M Lammerse wrote:
chris_uk wrote:

This seems promising for storage needs in the future.

http://phys.org/news/2013-06-storage-terabytes-dvd.html
It does...but we have seen such kind of 'promises' many times before. Lighting fast HD's of thousands of Terabytes. So I prefer to see it as a promise! :-)
You know, I've seen science news reports about technology "breakthroughs" but have never seen anything near them come into a real product. Why? I wouldn't be surprised if "big business" buys up the technology and puts the patents on the shelf to maintain their old technology industry they earn big profits on.
Some do show up later. But often *much* later because they are demoed so early on the development curve. And a big reason why others don't is that despite any inherent advantages they may have, the 'old' technology develops too, and the huge amounts of knowledge and expertise that exist for it means it may well develop faster and remain cheaper. Case in point is hard disk drives - they have inherent reliability issues compared to solid-state solutions, for decades we have seen 'promising' technologies that will replace them. But expertise in HDDs pushed their cost down, and reliability and capacity up, outstripping what could reasonably be expected from the 'promising' tech (at least with sensible levels of investment). Only now is one realistically going to do that (SSD) and even then HDDs are likely to have a cost advantage for high capacity, less speed-critical, applications for many years.

(This is not to say that corporations don't play games with patents - they do.)
 
Mark den Hartog wrote:

at this rate we all be working in the cloud in 10 years (usually that means 5 :-))

Analogy for you: do you still need cash? Many of us have a safe at home to stash some cash and valuables. The equivalent to the digital cloud here is online banking, ATM cards and credit cards. There will always be a need for local, non-"cloud" storage. IMO, trusting in the "cloud" for everything is foolish... it's not even FDIC insured.
 
eNo wrote:
Mark den Hartog wrote:

at this rate we all be working in the cloud in 10 years (usually that means 5 :-))
Analogy for you: do you still need cash? Many of us have a safe at home to stash some cash and valuables. The equivalent to the digital cloud here is online banking, ATM cards and credit cards. There will always be a need for local, non-"cloud" storage. IMO, trusting in the "cloud" for everything is foolish... it's not even FDIC insured.
 
Yes, but it is nothing but an application of Stefan Hell's (Heidelberg, Germany) work.

He invented sub-diffraction resolution when overlaying two controlled light beams.

All other aspects involved when storing large amounts of data (like writing speed) are not addressed.
 
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falconeyes wrote:

Yes, but it is nothing but an application of Stefan Hell's (Heidelberg, Germany) work.

He invented sub-diffraction resolution when overlaying two controlled light beams.

All other aspects involved when storing large amounts of data (like writing speed) are not addressed.
It is the folks that apply the science that change the world.
 
RicAllan wrote:
eNo wrote:
Mark den Hartog wrote:

at this rate we all be working in the cloud in 10 years (usually that means 5 :-))
Analogy for you: do you still need cash? Many of us have a safe at home to stash some cash and valuables. The equivalent to the digital cloud here is online banking, ATM cards and credit cards. There will always be a need for local, non-"cloud" storage. IMO, trusting in the "cloud" for everything is foolish... it's not even FDIC insured.

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Hey Ric,

no need to SHOUT to get your point across.

Yes we will still have storage on our computers but cloud will get bigger and bigger whether you like it or not. (it's already happening you know!)

Most likely you will have a "copy" in the cloud and the originals in the "safety" of your own home.

Cloud will be most likely be more secure than your PC at home. Although your PC will be of less interest for hackers. Cloud will be safer than your own home, your house might burn down, PC could get stolen,,, and you know what? if it happens to me I still have all my files!

The point I am trying to make is that a manufacturer is not going to invest in a dying breed.

Therefore it's not going to happen. Blu-ray is the last of the titans, mark my words!

have a great weekend,

Mark
 
Robin Casady wrote:
falconeyes wrote:

Yes, but it is nothing but an application of Stefan Hell's (Heidelberg, Germany) work.

He invented sub-diffraction resolution when overlaying two controlled light beams.

All other aspects involved when storing large amounts of data (like writing speed) are not addressed.
It is the folks that apply the science that change the world.
Robin, both actually do.

In the case of Hell, it was him actually to apply the science. He created an entire industry (STED Microscopes) and you can buy the products now (Leica and others (not the camera Leica though)).

Which is unlike the Originsl Post here. Same idea reapplied to another field where all supporting technology isn't ready yet to support it. Nothing but an experiment.
 
Now THAT was funny.

Regards,

Sol

coronawithlime wrote:

Wonder how long it takes to burn 1000 tb? I'm already 65, I might not make it. :)
 
Mark den Hartog wrote:
RicAllan wrote:
eNo wrote:
Mark den Hartog wrote:

at this rate we all be working in the cloud in 10 years (usually that means 5 :-))
Analogy for you: do you still need cash? Many of us have a safe at home to stash some cash and valuables. The equivalent to the digital cloud here is online banking, ATM cards and credit cards. There will always be a need for local, non-"cloud" storage. IMO, trusting in the "cloud" for everything is foolish... it's not even FDIC insured.

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http://imagesbyeduardo.com/
Los Angeles wedding photography that seeks the heart and spirit in each image
Add to that... anyone REALLY believe it is/will be SECURE... and FREE... and able to be accessed at any time YOU want...

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Ric
Hey Ric,

no need to SHOUT to get your point across.

Yes we will still have storage on our computers but cloud will get bigger and bigger whether you like it or not. (it's already happening you know!)

Most likely you will have a "copy" in the cloud and the originals in the "safety" of your own home.

Cloud will be most likely be more secure than your PC at home. Although your PC will be of less interest for hackers. Cloud will be safer than your own home, your house might burn down, PC could get stolen,,, and you know what? if it happens to me I still have all my files!

The point I am trying to make is that a manufacturer is not going to invest in a dying breed.

Therefore it's not going to happen. Blu-ray is the last of the titans, mark my words!

have a great weekend,

Mark
Sorry you can't distinguish between emphasis and shouting...

And you're really going to have to work on your delusional affliction.

At home, I can UNPLUG my computer from the net. Not as much to protect from theft as to minimize exposure to hackers and viruses. (One of the reasons I will NOT hook my camera up to the computer and/or, especially, the net.)

You also don't factor in the advance (and growth) in camera resolution with the attendant increase in file size and data transfer speeds.

We each have our own comfort level with public exposure of our property and believe it or not, not everyone is as trusting or int he same frame of mind as you are.

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Sorry you can't distinguish between emphasis and shouting...
me too.
And you're really going to have to work on your delusional affliction.
LOL
At home, I can UNPLUG my computer from the net. Not as much to protect from theft as to minimize exposure to hackers and viruses. (One of the reasons I will NOT hook my camera up to the computer and/or, especially, the net.)
Most people don't do that. I'm guessing you don't either.
You also don't factor in the advance (and growth) in camera resolution with the attendant increase in file size and data transfer speeds.
Actually, I do. Internet is a fast growing B!tch
We each have our own comfort level with public exposure of our property and believe it or not, not everyone is as trusting or int he same frame of mind as you are.
I totally agree on that one.

When the first internet shops came out everyone was very wary, nowadays it's the most common way to get a good deal.

Cheers,

Mark
 

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