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Is FF really better than m43? and why?
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papillon_65
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To suggest that you just post process every file (where you want the dof effects given to you by a FF camera) is just time-consuming and silly. You use the correct tool for the job. A full frame portrait shooter is never going to painstakingly spend hours messing about trying to get every one of his/her shoots looking like they should. There are plenty of situations where post processing is tricky and time consuming. It's like having to defish a fisheye lens to give you an UWA view, it's a kludge. The easy and sensible solution is just to use the right tool for the job and save yourself time and hassle.
There is no "better" or "worse" format, or even a one size fits all. There is only what's best for the individual. I use both FF and m4/3's and in certain scenario's either will "beat" the other.
Just use what's best for you and don't try and tell others what they need, that's just a pointless exercise.
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Donald Chin
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Yes, it indeed is a fake, the embed thumbnail show the original should look like this
But OP has a similar shot in his album which indicate that the original should had been taken with an E-M5 with 14-150mm F4-5.6 shot at 46 mm Aperture-priority AE, 1/200 sec, f/6.3, ISO 200
This one was taken with an E-M5 with 14-150mm F4-5.6 shot at 34 mm Aperture-priority AE, 1/1000 sec, f/6.3, ISO 200, EC-1
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Donald Chin
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People tends to think they are smarter than the others with their purchase, it isn't just a problem of MFT photographers, similar things happened in Fujifilm X forum too, and there is a group of D800E owners always claim their camera is far superior to MF.
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Moti
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I wouldn't dispute it bcause it is a result of bad photograpy and bad photography can be done with any camera.
About which is better, I can comment from my personal experience because I have switched lately FF gear to m43. Although my OMD is a great camera with lots of advantages compared to my FF gear (5Dll) there are few things I miss very much, that the FF does better.
Focussing speed in low ligh situation is much faster on the FF.
Cleaner high ISO files. My FF is at least 1 stop better.
ETTL flas mode on the OMD is almost useless due to the very long shutter lag.
I also miss the OVF which is great for action shots but I'm getting used.
With all the rest I can easily live.
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enrique santa
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No sense question. Ask yourself what system better suits your needs.
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Landscapephoto99
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There are very few differences and they are getting smaller by the year. Lenses with 0.95 f stop can take as razor think a dof as most would ever need. As soon as PDAF is successfully implemented, the last reason for most to use FF will be gone except for specialty studio or ultra high resolution uses.
Many of the negative responses here are by people with gear envy, not true phoyographers.
Many of the negative responses here are by people with gear envy, not true phoyographers.
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GingerBread
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tricks.
Yes, it indeed is a fake, the embed thumbnail show the original should look like this
But OP has a similar shot in his album which indicate that the original should had been taken with an E-M5 with 14-150mm F4-5.6 shot at 46 mm Aperture-priority AE, 1/200 sec, f/6.3, ISO 200
Has anyone else with a color calibrated monitor noticed how all these people have skin tones so warm they appear ready to burst into flames?
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Is it still under guarantee?Sean Nelson wrote:
You can level the playing field a bit with software blurring, but it's very difficult to use for some kinds of subjects such as the one below and it can result in some very unnatural looking edges.
And none of that says anything about the ability of FF cameras to capture lower-noise images in poor lighting conditions.
M43 is perfectly adequate for many people and it certainly sounds like you're very happy with it - I'm glad. It's perfectly adequate for me, too. But to imply that what's good enough for you and me must therefore be good enough for everyone is simply wrong.
... that lens seems nicely sharp in the centre, but a bit soft towards the edges. :-D
mpgxsvcd
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I would say that he is standing in front of a painting or that you did some really bad post processing. The out of focus area is not good.A2T2 wrote:
If I said I used a FF camera to produce this would you dispute it, seriously, why?
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DPR needs to work up a script that automatically deletes first posts that contain a brash statement followed by an image that directly contradicts that statement (or at least does nothing to support it).
And when did full frame's only advantage become DoF control? Did I miss a memo? Every system has its positives and negatives, and it does nobody any good whatsoever to continue arguing that one is better than the other.
And when did full frame's only advantage become DoF control? Did I miss a memo? Every system has its positives and negatives, and it does nobody any good whatsoever to continue arguing that one is better than the other.
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I shoot with a FF and a m4/3, FF is better, no question. M4/3 is light and fun and can produce great results, and Panasonic has mopped the floors with anything else as far as video, but when its on the line, I want my FF. That doesn't mean that when I am in Disney World in a week I will have my 5D.
What I hate is the price of m4/3 lenses, we were promised that would be an advantage of the format when it was introduced and that is a joke. Sure the lenses are top notch, but the sensors, at least so far, can't fully take advantage of it and may never. They want their cake and eat it, too. If it benefits them to charge for the equivalent focal length, they do. If charging more for actual focal length increases the price, they do. I came from medium format, those lenses cost more than 35mm, and 35mm were better as far as resolution per mm. Don't even feed me the BS.
Keep this in mind, too. I love Olympus, I started with Olympus in the early 80's with my grandfathers OM1 that I still have and is a prized position. I have no emotional attachment to any of my Canon stuff, its just a sack of tools.
What I hate is the price of m4/3 lenses, we were promised that would be an advantage of the format when it was introduced and that is a joke. Sure the lenses are top notch, but the sensors, at least so far, can't fully take advantage of it and may never. They want their cake and eat it, too. If it benefits them to charge for the equivalent focal length, they do. If charging more for actual focal length increases the price, they do. I came from medium format, those lenses cost more than 35mm, and 35mm were better as far as resolution per mm. Don't even feed me the BS.
Keep this in mind, too. I love Olympus, I started with Olympus in the early 80's with my grandfathers OM1 that I still have and is a prized position. I have no emotional attachment to any of my Canon stuff, its just a sack of tools.
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