Odd Issue Editing in Photoshop with color and lens corrections

First off, I'm on LR 4.4 and PS CS6 (Camera Raw 7.4.0.137) using ProPhoto RGB as my LR colorspace and have my PS color settings as Working Space: ProPhoto RGB and my color management policies to preserve embedded profiles.

When I right click on a DNG in LR and choose "Edit in Photoshop", LR sends it to PS and PS does its "Reading in Camera Raw Format" and opens the image. However, the colors are off (very muted) and any lens corrections I've applied in LR are missing. My monitor (iMac on OSX 10.8) is calibrated with a Spyder. I've also noticed that if I choose to edit in another application, it renders the tiff fine and the color and lens corrections are correct in the tiff.

Anyone have any ideas what my issue is?

Thanks,
Matt

ETA: After some experimenting, it seems that the "Adobe Standard" profile is what gets sent to Photoshop. The rest (Camera Landscape, Portrait, etc.) are ignored. What's going on here?

I suspect you have some camera defaults set in Photoshop's ACR which are overiding the settings coming from LR. Go to ACR in Photoshop and "Reset Camera Raw Defaults".

75Central said:

75Central wrote:

First off, I'm on LR 4.4 and PS CS6 (Camera Raw 7.4.0.137) using ProPhoto RGB as my LR colorspace and have my PS color settings as Working Space: ProPhoto RGB and my color management policies to preserve embedded profiles.

When I right click on a DNG in LR and choose "Edit in Photoshop", LR sends it to PS and PS does its "Reading in Camera Raw Format" and opens the image. However, the colors are off (very muted) and any lens corrections I've applied in LR are missing. My monitor (iMac on OSX 10.8) is calibrated with a Spyder. I've also noticed that if I choose to edit in another application, it renders the tiff fine and the color and lens corrections are correct in the tiff.

Anyone have any ideas what my issue is?

Thanks,
Matt

ETA: After some experimenting, it seems that the "Adobe Standard" profile is what gets sent to Photoshop. The rest (Camera Landscape, Portrait, etc.) are ignored. What's going on here?

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First off, LR ignores any camera setting such as Landscape, Portrait, Vivid, etc. It is assumed that if you are advanced enough to use RAW files you are advanced enough to be able to do a better job processing your images than the camera.

I use two monitors, color calibrated with a Spyder3Elite. Do not manually change the profile used by your OS. A small background Spyder program will over ride the OS monitor color profile for you when you start your computer - typically you will see the monitor background color change when this happens.

Adobe recommends you set Photoshop to ProPhoto color space if you are using it with LR so I keep CS6 set to 16-bit ProPhoto color space.

This does mean that to save a JPG from CS6 I have to either use the Edit/Convert to Profile/sRGB before using the File/Save As/JPEG command or use the File/Save for Web command. Doing this embeds the correct color profile in the JPGs, ensuring the correct colors.

I also use DNG and after processing in LR I frequently export to Photoshop for retouching. I see absolutely no color shifts and no dropping of the lens profiles.

If you are seeing color shifts then I would guess that something is wrong with your Photoshop setup. The first thing I would recommend is resetting your preferences then putting back in the preferences you normally use.

To reset the Photoshop preferences hold down Alt, Ctrl, and Shift keys (Mac: Command, Option, Shift) while starting up Photoshop.

Sailor Blue said:

Sailor Blue wrote:

Sailor Blue said:

75Central wrote:

ETA: After some experimenting, it seems that the "Adobe Standard" profile is what gets sent to Photoshop. The rest (Camera Landscape, Portrait, etc.) are ignored. What's going on here?

Click to expand...

First off, LR ignores any camera setting such as Landscape, Portrait, Vivid, etc. It is assumed that if you are advanced enough to use RAW files you are advanced enough to be able to do a better job processing your images than the camera.

Click to expand...

It ignores in camera profiles, but the OP talks about Camera Profiles in LR/ACR. Adobe has created profiles for Canon and Nikon which emulate the in camera profiles. They show only for supported camera's, otherwise you'l only see "adobe standard" as option.

Sailor Blue said:

I use two monitors, color calibrated with a Spyder3Elite. Do not manually change the profile used by your OS. A small background Spyder program will over ride the OS monitor color profile for you when you start your computer - typically you will see the monitor background color change when this happens.

Adobe recommends you set Photoshop to ProPhoto color space if you are using it with LR so I keep CS6 set to 16-bit ProPhoto color space.

This does mean that to save a JPG from CS6 I have to either use the Edit/Convert to Profile/sRGB before using the File/Save As/JPEG command or use the File/Save for Web command. Doing this embeds the correct color profile in the JPGs, ensuring the correct colors.

I also use DNG and after processing in LR I frequently export to Photoshop for retouching. I see absolutely no color shifts and no dropping of the lens profiles.

If you are seeing color shifts then I would guess that something is wrong with your Photoshop setup. The first thing I would recommend is resetting your preferences then putting back in the preferences you normally use.

To reset the Photoshop preferences hold down Alt, Ctrl, and Shift keys (Mac: Command, Option, Shift) while starting up Photoshop.

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robert1955 said:

robert1955 wrote:

robert1955 said:

Sailor Blue wrote:

robert1955 said:

75Central wrote:

ETA: After some experimenting, it seems that the "Adobe Standard" profile is what gets sent to Photoshop. The rest (Camera Landscape, Portrait, etc.) are ignored. What's going on here?

Click to expand...

First off, LR ignores any camera setting such as Landscape, Portrait, Vivid, etc. It is assumed that if you are advanced enough to use RAW files you are advanced enough to be able to do a better job processing your images than the camera.

Click to expand...

It ignores in camera profiles, but the OP talks about Camera Profiles in LR/ACR. Adobe has created profiles for Canon and Nikon which emulate the in camera profiles. They show only for supported camera's, otherwise you'l only see "adobe standard" as option.

Click to expand...

The LR camera profiles are just presets for LR adjustments to produce an image that resembles the JPG produced by the camera when those profiles are used. Once applied they are like any other LR adjustment and should be see when the file is Exported to Photoshop.

Again, I suspect it is setting in Photoshop that is at fault and the OP should do a reset.

I agree with you that thrashing the PS [or LR] prefs might solve the problem, but it is a bit of a brute force approach.

If it deos not work, I can think of two things the OP might try:

- try Edit in PS with a RAW instead of a DNG. If the problem then does not occur, it is in the DNG settings on either side;

- check whether LR and ACR are really in synch. There is a warning screen you get when they are not, but that can have been turned off.

BTW: I was responding on what may seem to be a technicality, which may or may be not pertinent to this problem. When you're saying that the 'camera profiles' are 'just presets' you are making the preset concept wider than it really is. Camera calibration is at a different level. It used to be more important, when the Adobe profiles were not very good. Also, 'edit in PS' is not just an export setting, it behaves differently. For one thing, it does not create/save an intermediate file.

Sailor Blue said:

Sailor Blue wrote:

Sailor Blue said:

robert1955 wrote:

Sailor Blue said:

Sailor Blue wrote:

Sailor Blue said:

75Central wrote:

ETA: After some experimenting, it seems that the "Adobe Standard" profile is what gets sent to Photoshop. The rest (Camera Landscape, Portrait, etc.) are ignored. What's going on here?

Click to expand...

First off, LR ignores any camera setting such as Landscape, Portrait, Vivid, etc. It is assumed that if you are advanced enough to use RAW files you are advanced enough to be able to do a better job processing your images than the camera.

Click to expand...

It ignores in camera profiles, but the OP talks about Camera Profiles in LR/ACR. Adobe has created profiles for Canon and Nikon which emulate the in camera profiles. They show only for supported camera's, otherwise you'l only see "adobe standard" as option.

Click to expand...

The LR camera profiles are just presets for LR adjustments to produce an image that resembles the JPG produced by the camera when those profiles are used. Once applied they are like any other LR adjustment and should be see when the file is Exported to Photoshop.

Again, I suspect it is setting in Photoshop that is at fault and the OP should do a reset.

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Living and loving it in Bangkok, Thailand. Canon 7D - See the gear list for the rest.

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