There's a market for third-party viewfinders

SW Anderson wrote:

That can be done, and I've done it with the Olympus VF-3. But the prices you quote are best-case, used/refurbished. From what I've seen, new ones cost quite a bit more.

I verified the prices on the B&H website. A brand new VF-3 is priced at $149.95 and a brand new VF-1 optical finder is priced at $82.99. Both come with free shipping. I did not check Amazon but they are probabgly about the same.

Are you shopping online or at a local shop?
 
Most people who want to move beyond LCD framing, want to move up in other ways as well. To interchangeable lenses, better performing sensors. In today's market, you can do that without giving up the compact nature.

That is why the majority of the better micro/mirrorless systems offer an eye level viewfinder, either built in or clip on to the hot shoe.

In the M43 world, almost all of the bodies have a eye level VF, built in or add on. OMD, and the G and GH bodies have built in VF's, very good ones. All of the Pens, the GX, and the GF have an add on EVF. Leica uses the Olympus add on EVF for its compact fixed lens bodies, though they do add a bit to the price for the red dot.

NEX7 has a built in VF, and a very compact form.

The newest high end Nikon One has a built in VF. They have an add on VF for some other models, I believe.

Early on in playing with mirrorless, I had an EP1 which had no eye level VF option. I adapted a Leica zoom VF, which you can find on ebay for around $75.

So yes, there is a market for add on eye level viewfinders. Trouble is, the manufacturers of the better mirrorless bodies are already making them.
 
SW Anderson wrote:

From what I'm seeing, many digital photographers want and need the kind of viewfinder they can put an eye to. LCD's are great in some situations, but even the best are no match for strong sunlight. What's more, many of us learned to steady a camera against our face, elbows close to our sides. Image stabilization is a terrific help, but sometimes not enough. Holding a camera at arms' length and eye level is much less steady and stable, and feels awkward. For street photography it's only slightly more subtle than wearing a clown outfit.

Unfortunately, camera makers have all but abandoned built-in eye-level viewfinders as standard equipment. About the last remaining ones can be found on exquisitely expensive Fuji X-series cameras and Canon's handy little A1200-A1400 point 'n' shoots. Fuji's sophisticated VF's are big and beautiful. The Canons' VF's are painfully small.

What some camera manufacturers have been willing to do is offer optical and electronic viewfinders as extra-cost add-ons. When I say extra cost, I mean very, very expensive. The OVF-1 for Pentax's diminutive Q is a good example. When introduced, the Q was priced at $749 with 47mm prime lens. A good entry-level DSLR can be had for that kind of money. The add-on Q viewfinder came along later, priced at $249. A decent bridge camera can be had for that kind of money. I don't begrudge Pentax a decent profit for its camera, which predictably has come well down in price. But the OVF-1 still costs $249, and that seems excessive.

OK, camera makers charging an arm and a leg for a much-desired add on is not new news. But here's what mystifies me. With an obvious market for optical and electronic eye-level viewfinders, why, oh why, haven't any independent lens or photo accessory makers entered the field with popularly priced products for various popular makes and models of camera? They all make scads of me-too products, but seem oblivious to what could be a lucrative addition to their business.

I feel certain a decent, very useful optical viewfinder could be produced and marketed profitably to sell for $89 or less. With diopter adjustment and accommodation for zooming, a $150 price seems doable. An electronic model with the latter features can surely be made to sell for no more than $189.

Are you listening, Sigma, Tamron, Targus, Zeikos, Fotodiox, others . . . ?

(Note: I looked at the Accessories Forum before posting this here. Posts there seem to be more along the lines of "What's the best tripod to take on a cruise?" and "My SD card won't format." A discussion about a requested product type seemed to fit in this open forum more appropriately. If a moderator feels this was a mistake, I apologize and will understand if you decide to move this post.)
Well manufacturers are making LCD Loupes, which some video shooters use as viewfinders, no reason a stills photographer couldn't.

There's also native and thrid party optical view finders:


The problem with electronic is how to interface them with most cameras.

Unless you can use HDMI or similar for stills viewfinder/TTL output.

Some MFT cameras haave a prot for this, but most cameras don't.
 
SW Anderson wrote:

From what I'm seeing, many digital photographers want and need the kind of viewfinder they can put an eye to. LCD's are great in some situations, but even the best are no match for strong sunlight. What's more, many of us learned to steady a camera against our face, elbows close to our sides. Image stabilization is a terrific help, but sometimes not enough. Holding a camera at arms' length and eye level is much less steady and stable, and feels awkward. For street photography it's only slightly more subtle than wearing a clown outfit.

Unfortunately, camera makers have all but abandoned built-in eye-level viewfinders as standard equipment. About the last remaining ones can be found on exquisitely expensive Fuji X-series cameras and Canon's handy little A1200-A1400 point 'n' shoots. Fuji's sophisticated VF's are big and beautiful. The Canons' VF's are painfully small.

What some camera manufacturers have been willing to do is offer optical and electronic viewfinders as extra-cost add-ons. When I say extra cost, I mean very, very expensive. The OVF-1 for Pentax's diminutive Q is a good example. When introduced, the Q was priced at $749 with 47mm prime lens. A good entry-level DSLR can be had for that kind of money. The add-on Q viewfinder came along later, priced at $249. A decent bridge camera can be had for that kind of money. I don't begrudge Pentax a decent profit for its camera, which predictably has come well down in price. But the OVF-1 still costs $249, and that seems excessive.

OK, camera makers charging an arm and a leg for a much-desired add on is not new news. But here's what mystifies me. With an obvious market for optical and electronic eye-level viewfinders, why, oh why, haven't any independent lens or photo accessory makers entered the field with popularly priced products for various popular makes and models of camera? They all make scads of me-too products, but seem oblivious to what could be a lucrative addition to their business.

I feel certain a decent, very useful optical viewfinder could be produced and marketed profitably to sell for $89 or less. With diopter adjustment and accommodation for zooming, a $150 price seems doable. An electronic model with the latter features can surely be made to sell for no more than $189.

Are you listening, Sigma, Tamron, Targus, Zeikos, Fotodiox, others . . . ?

(Note: I looked at the Accessories Forum before posting this here. Posts there seem to be more along the lines of "What's the best tripod to take on a cruise?" and "My SD card won't format." A discussion about a requested product type seemed to fit in this open forum more appropriately. If a moderator feels this was a mistake, I apologize and will understand if you decide to move this post.)
you can get old optical finders in most popular full frame focal lengths in flea markets and second hand stores and on the bay for a few bucks. Kodak made a 35 and 85 finder for the retina wich is quite nice. the old leice turret finders are quite affordable and usually cover 50mm through 135mm. The finders made by miriad third party makers are abundant and you should be able to find a nice thirty fife mm finder for five to ten bucks. There are also a few folding sports finder out there some cheaper than others. and you can make your own. its not rocket science to make a wire frame finder for your favorite fixed focal length all you need is a coat hanger some solder or glue and a shoe of a dead flash or the like. I doubt you will see a lot of new after market finders comming into production because the demand is not all that high.

If you like a more luxery finder Cosina made or still makes an exact copy of the Famous Leitz 50mm brightline finder for about a c note, they also make a superb 35mm brigh frame line finder for about the same. The king of all old finders is the above mentioned Leits 50mm bright frame line finder and the Leitz 34mm bright line finder.

I use a 35mm Cosina bright line on my gf1 and it works very nicly . it includes a bit more than the sensor but not enough to be a bother.
 
While Panasonic charges $200 for an EVF, or OVF I'll continue to neglect purchasing one. It'd be a handy option in certain circumstances but it's not a necessity.

What older photographers tend to overlook particularly wide wide angle lens/sensor cameras though is the range of options shooting from arms length gives you. There's one million and one plus more different angles you can shoot with once you learn to remove the super glued camera from your forehead. Try it some time, it'll give you a new lease to your photography.
 
Online. My best recollection is that the best price I found for a VF-3 was $159.
 
Indeed, camera manufacturers are making them. But at steep prices.

I have searched eBay looking for viewfinders several times in recent months. I cast a broad net, sometimes not seeking particular brands or types. I think if I came across a Leica anything for $75 I would fall off my chair in shock, LOL. I sure didn't see one in my search results. A good zoom VF in excellent condition for $75 would be a great deal. I'm glad you got one.
 
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The Cosina sounds interesting, especially at around $100. I'm going to look it up. Thanks.
 
Thanks to everyone who responded to my post for some interesting, informative discussion. I appreciate your thoughts and the info you shared.
 

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