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What is the best Nikon FX sensor?

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The D800 has three times the pixels and much finer grained noise than any 12MP camera, which allows it to make as smooth and more detailed picture at any given ISO when Topaz or other high quality noise reduction is applied. Shooting wildlife at 6400 for publication isn't something I'd want to try at any rate.
 
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...maybe you could ask Sony?
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Wrong. They might be produced by Sony, but Nikon develops them and sets the specifications.
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They are all made by Sony or someone else. Nikon doesn't actually "make" a sensor they just "tweak" an existing sensor, to Nikon specs.

Canon designs and makes it's own Sensors. Nikon does not. Just a fact!

FWIW, I have never owned or shot Canon. I have a D200, D300, D700, D2X......all with Sony sensors. Waiting on the D400.....with Sony Sensor.....and a Nikon "tweak".

Good luck with your photography.
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Your D700's sensor is designed by Nikon and produced by Renesas, but why bother with facts.
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....It is a fact......Nikon cannot make a Sensor.
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You may agree with Jane, but you said something completely different, so maybe you can understand the confusion. You said Nikon simply tweaks other people's designs, which is false.

How could you possibly know that Nikon cannot make a sensor? You sure do choose your words strangely. "Cannot" and "chooses not to" are again, completely different things. Why do you think they go to Sony for a few of their sensors? For their state of the art 0.18 micron fabrication equipment.

There is nothing stopping Nikon from buying fab equipment and making their own DSLR sensors, they have chosen not too obviously for economic reasons. Currently, they seem to prefer designing class-leading sensors in-house, and having other people make them. Hell, *I* could make a sensor if I really wanted to, there is nothing preventing me from buying fab equipment, so I'm not sure what you think prevents Nikon from doing so if they choose to.

What is it that actually prevents Nikon from ever producing a sensor? Perhaps you can enlighten me.
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Maybe they are spending money on the QC "design" issues.

I like the way Nikon "designed" the D600 with oil/dust spots on all cameras. Now that took some money to come up with that. Yeah, it is state of the art "design". Nikon....you rock!
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"ALL" cameras? Where do you get this stuff? There are more users than I can reasonably count on this board alone reporting zero dust/oil issues with their D600's - my three D600's included. The same arguement could be made that Canon designed "all" their cameras with oily sensors when they had to issue a service advisory for the 1 series cameras oil issues. Clearly that is not the case for either company.

Here is 30 seconds of research showing a number of Canon users having issues with dust/oil, even on brand new cameras:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51537083
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Or the D800/E left AF issues. Wow! that is another great "design". More good money spent. I'm guessing the D400 will only have 1 AF point on it's state of the art sensor. Like a lot of you said...."who uses those left AF points anyway"? So, why not just have 1 AF point? Another thing we don't need is that silly shutter button. Now who needs that?
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Another grossly overblown issue affecting nowhere near "all" cameras. No different than Canon's 1DM3 AF fiasco which was FAR worse, and left many users still uncompensated. Again, both companies have their issues.
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You know, maybe Nikon should put more money into QC and leave the "design" to someone else. They might even have money for a "Fab" factory if they would drop all that good state of the art "design" work.
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Nikon is if anything, no worse than Canon in the QC department. Neither are perfect.
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I have shot Nikon all my life. I was shooting Nikon when the only Canon mount was FD. Nikon was King then. It is not that way anymore.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
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Overall, there's not a single sensor here that's best at everything and all three are quite good. Add Canons 1D X and 6D and those are your best sensors available. ;)
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I'm afraid the 1DX and 6D don't even appear in the top 17 camera sensors, when measured on equal ground with all other sensors. Bested even by some APS-C sensors in overall performance (The $600 D5200 being one of them). You need to scroll down to at least #18 to see Canon's name pop up, and that's their $7,000 flagship:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Ratings

Based on both subjective and objective data that the engineers at DXO use, I definitely would not place the 1DX or 6D in a "best sensors available" category until they update their fab lines and A/D conversion to keep up with the rest of the industry.

I shoot both Nikon and Canon and enjoy both, but at least right now there really isn't any competition in the sensor department.
 
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Just saw someone on another forum claiming that the D600 24MP sensor is better than the D4 or D800 sensor. What do you think? Why?
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Two possible reasons for that statement that I can think of:
  • He doesn't know what's he talking about.
  • He has the D600.
D800 is the highest resolution, highest dynamic range sensor and it's pretty damn good in low light too (all 3 are). D4 is worst at low ISO out of the three, but it's better if you shoot in low light, high ISO situations . D600 is the one best at nothing, but it's the cheapest..

Overall, there's not a single sensor here that's best at everything and all three are quite good. Add Canons 1D X and 6D and those are your best sensors available. ;)
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Despite all the figures, D4 files look to my eye as though they possess a superior tonal and dynamic range. I should post a couple of example shots - just took a few pictures for a friend and the D4 shots (nearly identical compositions) just look better on both ends of the range.

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The D600 is not a junk camera! Yes its not the tank that the D800, D4 is but I don't need it to be. Now throw on a Tamron 24-70 2.8 VR and see just how good the D600 really is.
 
The wallet in you back pocket comes before the sensor!
 
+1.

My opinion is Canon does very well using their processors to improve their sensors performance. So they get more out of them than the sensors real performance. They must have some advanced noise reduction algorithims and have tweaked their older design to the fullest. They must be finding it harder and harder to get a gain out of the existing dated sensor designs.

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Maybe they are spending money on the QC "design" issues.

I like the way Nikon "designed" the D600 with oil/dust spots on all cameras. Now that took some money to come up with that. Yeah, it is state of the art "design". Nikon....you rock!
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Ah my D600 has no dust, oil spots or any other issues. Purchased in Jan.


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Or the D800/E left AF issues. Wow! that is another great "design". More good money spent. I'm guessing the D400 will only have 1 AF point on it's state of the art sensor. Like a lot of you said...."who uses those left AF points anyway"? So, why not just have 1 AF point? Another thing we don't need is that silly shutter button. Now who needs that?

You know, maybe Nikon should put more money into QC and leave the "design" to someone else. They might even have money for a "Fab" factory if they would drop all that good state of the art "design" work.

I have shot Nikon all my life. I was shooting Nikon when the only Canon mount was FD. Nikon was King then. It is not that way anymore.
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Nikons DLSR's ARE at the top of the heep! Have you been reading the reviews esp. DPreviews?

I started photography in 1959 with an Argus C20 when Nikon debued the F and have seen the ebb and flow of both Canon and Nikon being on top. Right now Nikon clearly has the edge.

Bought my first Nikon (Nikkormat) in 1967 then in 1978 went to Canon then back to Nikon in 2010. FWIW I shot it all Nikon, Canon, Hassie, Rollie SL66, Pentax 67, Olympus and so on. Also got a degree in photography in 1977.

I am not the expert on everything when it comes to camera companys but observing the scene for 53 years can help you make pretty good judgement calls.


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Good luck with your photography.
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The best Nikon FX sensor is the one you have with you - which in my case is the D600.
 
The best sensor available today for any DSLR is the one found in the D800 / D800E, I'm not sure it's a Nikon sensor, probably not, but it's only found in Nikon D800 and D800E and that's what counts imho...
 
Yes, I agree. My post was a reference to Chase Jarvis' book "The Best Camera Is The One You Have With You"
 
once one corrects for pixel density difference, that's what most tests show, both spectwise (DxO) or picwise. Very close overall.
 
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Yes, the most mega pixels, the better. What a bunch of hogwash!!!!!!

Larry
 
larrywilson said:
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Yes, the most mega pixels, the better. What a bunch of hogwash!!!!!!

Larry
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Actually it's not hogwash at all. If you have two sensors both with all other aspects equal the one with the higher megapixels will produce the better image. This is the situation with the D600 and D800. Now admittedly the difference is small unless you are printing real big or cropping a lot but it is there and is most certainly not hogwash. However the D800 sensor also has a higher color depth and dynic range than any of its competitors and the only cameras that come close to it are the other FX cameras in Nikon's line and the RX1 from Sony. It is the best sensor in any camera below medium format even before you take it's higher resolution into account.
 
ricko5 said:
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There's plenty of great sensors in Nikon cameras already.

The problem is ergonomics. Nikon used to be great but my worry about their next camera is that they will make the grip even smaller as they seem to have from the D200/D300/D700 and D800. Its getting ridiculous.

And they really need to find a way to get more X type AF sensors spread across the page.
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I do not believe the grip size has changed???
 
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