BAD Adobe.. BAD Adobe

crow24 wrote:

Has anyone else notice the massive ego appeal that Adobe is using while pushing CC on their websites? Creatives, luminaries, Design Professionals (okay, the label fits some of us) Forward Thinkers...
I just upgraded to creative suite 6 and that wil be my last for some time. Let's see what happens but given Adobe's arrogance probably nothing will happen. Once sharks smell blood.......
 
crow24 wrote:

Has anyone else notice the massive ego appeal that Adobe is using while pushing CC on their websites? Creatives, luminaries, Design Professionals (okay, the label fits some of us) Forward Thinkers...
When I spoke to Adobe about this they talked up the cloud/subscription. In short, unless you ask questions and think of possible scenarios like what happens when i stop paying for the subscription and am happy with the way it works and want to come back and re-edit a few weeks later and they say you have NO access that is NOT nice. So you just spent lots of money for nothing.

Its like and this is a bad analogy but its like dating a girl for a few years, spending time, effort money and she cheats on you ruining the relationship. You wasted you time, effort and commitment to the relationship and have nothing to show.

If you forgive the indiscretion and go back to spending time, money and effort to forget thats like what Adobe is doing or what I trying to say.
 
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sanmaj wrote:

Besides challenging the plug-in providers we need other image editing companies to step up to the plate and start providing platforms that are receptive to 3rd party plug-ins. I speak up here about such programs as Capture One, DXO Optics, ACDSee Pro, Photo Director 4 and the like. While these programs are pretty good image editing programs in their own right, there is no provision for 3rd party plug-ins. I just wonder what these programs would be like if fully realized that many people like 3rd party plug-ins for whatever reason (rightly or wrongly). Each of these companies, it seems, is trying to develop a "complete product only" scenario that doesn't have to rely on anyone else. And, while that may be ok in their way of thinking, I think they are missing a wonderful opportunity. One of the things that makes Apple Aperture so effective is the user's ability to still use 3rd party plug-ins if they want too.

I'm not necessarily trying to push the use of 3rd party plug-ins, but I do recognize the fact that they are in widespread use for many. In my mind it just makes a base editing product just that more appealing. And besides, a lot of people already have a lot of money invested in 3rd party plug-ins that they would like to continue to use.

Just a thought.

That is true. The facility for plugins and was why I originally went with LR over Capture NX.

But more companies like Aftershot Pro (so I read) are now able to facilitate plugins.
 
TheDoctorWhat wrote:
crow24 wrote:

Has anyone else notice the massive ego appeal that Adobe is using while pushing CC on their websites? Creatives, luminaries, Design Professionals (okay, the label fits some of us) Forward Thinkers...
When I spoke to Adobe about this they talked up the cloud/subscription. In short, unless you ask questions and think of possible scenarios like what happens when i stop paying for the subscription and am happy with the way it works and want to come back and re-edit a few weeks later and they say you have NO access that is NOT nice. So you just spent lots of money for nothing.

Its like and this is a bad analogy but its like dating a girl for a few years, spending time, effort money and she cheats on you ruining the relationship. You wasted you time, effort and commitment to the relationship and have nothing to show.

If you forgive the indiscretion and go back to spending time, money and effort to forget thats like what Adobe is doing or what I trying to say.
Why on earth would you stop and then come back in a couple of weeks? That is about as thought out as most of the feeble scenarios. Plan your strategy....if Adobe doesn't fit the bill research an alternative that will. Don't be a victim through your own fault....choose wisely...goes for girls as well... ;)

As for future editing keep your raw files and save the finished pictures in tiff on a separate hard drive. Plan for your future then go and take some pictures and stop thinking up unlikely scenario's.... it will help you sleep at night.
 
It is a very telling analogy, because it shows that you [and many others] think of your dealings with Adobe as an emotional relationship. It is not, it is pure business. They know it, you should know it.

TheDoctorWhat wrote:

Its like and this is a bad analogy but its like dating a girl for a few years, spending time, effort money and she cheats on you ruining the relationship. You wasted you time, effort and commitment to the relationship and have nothing to show.

If you forgive the indiscretion and go back to spending time, money and effort to forget thats like what Adobe is doing or what I trying to say.
 
robert1955 wrote:

It is a very telling analogy, because it shows that you [and many others] think of your dealings with Adobe as an emotional relationship. It is not, it is pure business. They know it, you should know it.
Its bad business because Adobe has turned an industry standard software suite and is holding it ransom.
TheDoctorWhat wrote:

Its like and this is a bad analogy but its like dating a girl for a few years, spending time, effort money and she cheats on you ruining the relationship. You wasted you time, effort and commitment to the relationship and have nothing to show.

If you forgive the indiscretion and go back to spending time, money and effort to forget thats like what Adobe is doing or what I trying to say.
 
TheDoctorWhat wrote:
robert1955 wrote:

It is a very telling analogy, because it shows that you [and many others] think of your dealings with Adobe as an emotional relationship. It is not, it is pure business. They know it, you should know it.
Its bad business because Adobe has turned an industry standard software suite and is holding it ransom.
TheDoctorWhat wrote:

Its like and this is a bad analogy but its like dating a girl for a few years, spending time, effort money and she cheats on you ruining the relationship. You wasted you time, effort and commitment to the relationship and have nothing to show.

If you forgive the indiscretion and go back to spending time, money and effort to forget thats like what Adobe is doing or what I trying to say.
We have always had to pay for Adobe....nothing new here. I wonder how many people bought a full version of Photoshop and then stopped using it?

Adobe created the industry standard... it belongs to them....all the wingers are saying no it's mine I want to tell you how to run your business. Don't like don't buy...simple.

Adobe have given us the best photographic software in the industry....long may it continue. If the time should come that we can't afford it any longer then we will have to set our sights lower or go without a couple of "fast food" meals a month....maybe we could walk to the corner store instead of burning three or four gallons of gas each month.
 
Walter wrote:
TheDoctorWhat wrote:
robert1955 wrote:

It is a very telling analogy, because it shows that you [and many others] think of your dealings with Adobe as an emotional relationship. It is not, it is pure business. They know it, you should know it.
Its bad business because Adobe has turned an industry standard software suite and is holding it ransom.
TheDoctorWhat wrote:

Its like and this is a bad analogy but its like dating a girl for a few years, spending time, effort money and she cheats on you ruining the relationship. You wasted you time, effort and commitment to the relationship and have nothing to show.

If you forgive the indiscretion and go back to spending time, money and effort to forget thats like what Adobe is doing or what I trying to say.
We have always had to pay for Adobe....nothing new here. I wonder how many people bought a full version of Photoshop and then stopped using it?

Adobe created the industry standard... it belongs to them....all the wingers are saying no it's mine I want to tell you how to run your business. Don't like don't buy...simple.

Adobe have given us the best photographic software in the industry....long may it continue. If the time should come that we can't afford it any longer then we will have to set our sights lower or go without a couple of "fast food" meals a month....maybe we could walk to the corner store instead of burning three or four gallons of gas each month.
It sets a precedent for every other type of software from microsoft office, word, excel stuff to charging to use email.

You let the "nice dictator" in to make things easy then it becomes a dictatorship. This is really bad and people need to look at the bigger picture as it will effect the industry. Don't think for a minute Microsoft or Apple or name the software company thinks they can get more from you they will.

Technology can be a huge problem. It makes ALL of us LAZY. Before digital you had your own darkroom or paid to get it processed, before smartphones/cell phones if it was important you would find a phone and make a call, before home theaters you went to the movies.

The World existed with people for millions of years and all this technology comes down to the last 20 years or so when digital started.

One day their will be some type of software you need to operate a motor vehicle and when you don't pay your car won't start.
 
TheDoctorWhat wrote:
Walter wrote:
TheDoctorWhat wrote:
robert1955 wrote:

It is a very telling analogy, because it shows that you [and many others] think of your dealings with Adobe as an emotional relationship. It is not, it is pure business. They know it, you should know it.
Its bad business because Adobe has turned an industry standard software suite and is holding it ransom.
TheDoctorWhat wrote:

Its like and this is a bad analogy but its like dating a girl for a few years, spending time, effort money and she cheats on you ruining the relationship. You wasted you time, effort and commitment to the relationship and have nothing to show.

If you forgive the indiscretion and go back to spending time, money and effort to forget thats like what Adobe is doing or what I trying to say.
We have always had to pay for Adobe....nothing new here. I wonder how many people bought a full version of Photoshop and then stopped using it?

Adobe created the industry standard... it belongs to them....all the wingers are saying no it's mine I want to tell you how to run your business. Don't like don't buy...simple.

Adobe have given us the best photographic software in the industry....long may it continue. If the time should come that we can't afford it any longer then we will have to set our sights lower or go without a couple of "fast food" meals a month....maybe we could walk to the corner store instead of burning three or four gallons of gas each month.
It sets a precedent for every other type of software from microsoft office, word, excel stuff to charging to use email.

You let the "nice dictator" in to make things easy then it becomes a dictatorship. This is really bad and people need to look at the bigger picture as it will effect the industry. Don't think for a minute Microsoft or Apple or name the software company thinks they can get more from you they will.

Technology can be a huge problem. It makes ALL of us LAZY. Before digital you had your own darkroom or paid to get it processed, before smartphones/cell phones if it was important you would find a phone and make a call, before home theaters you went to the movies.

The World existed with people for millions of years and all this technology comes down to the last 20 years or so when digital started.

One day their will be some type of software you need to operate a motor vehicle and when you don't pay your car won't start.


Before antibiotics thousands died from minor diseases. Without X rays we had to guess what was going on inside your body. We used to sacrifice people and had slavery new isn't automatically worse. Lazy is not about doing things the easy way it's about not doing what you should.

I already have to buy petrol to get my car to run, my computer needs electricity, a broadband connection and will be obsolete one day it's all an on going cost.



If the software came as part of your broadband package then you would think it was fair that if you no longer had the broadband you would no longer have the software. They are not just offering the software they are integrating it to the on-line products, they don't want to sell you one without the other. You may want them to, but just because they won't, doesn't make them evil.

They have said going forwards they will offer Lightroom so opening your files if you don't want to pay will still be possible and third party programs will also still be able to open the files. Further they offer a one month deal so if, post subscription, you need to do some one off editing no problem use the one month deal, because it's the cloud you can use any version of the software from CS6 onwards for that month it's your choice.
 
Vince P wrote:

If the software came as part of your broadband package then you would think it was fair that if you no longer had the broadband you would no longer have the software.
No, I wouldn't use it unless it was something that I could easily do without and definitely didn't lock me into anything beyond my contract with the company. I certainly wouldn't use it with my beloved photographs if it locked me into their product.

Adobe products do lock you in, more or less, depending on the product. Much more so for InDesign and some of the others, but in a way with Photoshop too. Certainly with Lightroom, should they choose to rent it in the future.
 
I've been snooping around Corel products and found that their CorelDraw Graphics Suite 6 has premium memberships, subscriptions and such that include exclusive cloud content and upgrades...for monthly payments. Seems like the idea is getting around and it looks kinda similar to what Adobe is doing.
 
crow24 wrote:

I've been snooping around Corel products and found that their CorelDraw Graphics Suite 6 has premium memberships, subscriptions and such that include exclusive cloud content and upgrades...for monthly payments. Seems like the idea is getting around and it looks kinda similar to what Adobe is doing.
It appears to be just the same, no payee, no product. However, they still sell CorelDraw as a product without subscription.

They are ALL WATCHING to see if Adobe gets away with this! Microsoft included...
 
JudyN wrote:
crow24 wrote:

I've been snooping around Corel products and found that their CorelDraw Graphics Suite 6 has premium memberships, subscriptions and such that include exclusive cloud content and upgrades...for monthly payments. Seems like the idea is getting around and it looks kinda similar to what Adobe is doing.
It appears to be just the same, no payee, no product. However, they still sell CorelDraw as a product without subscription.

They are ALL WATCHING to see if Adobe gets away with this! Microsoft included...
 
Toermalijn wrote:
JudyN wrote:
crow24 wrote:

I've been snooping around Corel products and found that their CorelDraw Graphics Suite 6 has premium memberships, subscriptions and such that include exclusive cloud content and upgrades...for monthly payments. Seems like the idea is getting around and it looks kinda similar to what Adobe is doing.
It appears to be just the same, no payee, no product. However, they still sell CorelDraw as a product without subscription.
Paint Shop Pro is more of the competition for PS, I would think, and it's still available as a product, last I looked, and has been a lot more affordable than PS. Sure, it's missing some of the high-end features, but those are features that I'd never use, for the most part. A professional is going to need some of those features that aren't in PSP, and will have to pay
They are ALL WATCHING to see if Adobe gets away with this! Microsoft included...
The computer industry has been talking about "software as a service" for a while. It's not that new of an idea, just not affecting so many until now.
 
It's kinda funny but this thread isn't in the Top Threads part of the site. Do you think adobe is pressuring dpreview to quash anti-cc threads?
 
I know I will never subscribe to the cloud version, so for me, CS6 is the last version I will own! Course, I'm just an amateur and it's really not that big of a deal for me, but I can see how this would be real tough for the Professionals! I'd certainly be looking for an alternative, but, that's just me!



I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the Upgrades and have done so ever since CS3, but no more!
 
Mikeobe wrote:

I know I will never subscribe to the cloud version, so for me, CS6 is the last version I will own! Course, I'm just an amateur and it's really not that big of a deal for me, but I can see how this would be real tough for the Professionals! I'd certainly be looking for an alternative, but, that's just me!

I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the Upgrades and have done so ever since CS3, but no more!
If one purchases all the regular upgrades, is the total cost really much different from that of of renting?
 
Tom M1 wrote:

Maybe not. But for those that upgrade about once every 36 months (every other upgrade) CC is more expensive. $240 a year vs $200 every 36 months.

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And that is exactly why Adobe can give up on the amateur photographer market. How much value to Adobe is there to keeping a customer spending $60 a year? Whether they will lose more customers than planned remains to be seen, but the 'renew every 2 versions' market is worth very little. They tried to change that by dropping the upgrade from older versions, but **if** forum comments are any indication, that failed (most people just said they would stop upgrading).
 
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