Pentax Brand Not Featured in Gear Shop

viking79 wrote:
...pushes sales of well rated products.
this is the most interesting aspect of the store, to me. not that it carries well rated products, exactly, but that it doesn't have so many products. they happen to be well rated, of course, but i am happy to see a more limited selection for whatever reason. of course the selection should be broadened to include pentax :^)
 
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Zablot wrote:

Just received a message from DPreview about their new photo gear selling site. Unfortunately, Pentax is not represented among the items for sale. There are Pentax mount lenses available in other brands like Sigma. Just poking the bear...................................Jim
.. what can be adequately explained with incompetence.

Considering Pentax's own lack of imagination and will to establish its presence anywhere, I sincerely doubt that DPR team has anything to do with absence of Pentax gear from the DPR GearShop.

That DPR wants to have a more licked up portral towards buying the gear, well, they have only made a better user interface to what people are already doing: after reading a review, people click to buy a certain piece of gear from some of photo retail shops.

This is the same thing, only made more prominent and comprehensible, but changes nothing re DPR's review editorial policy.

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Zvonimir Tosic
“A portrait is not made in the camera, but on either side of it.”
— Edward Steichen
 
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I tend to tell people that DPReview is one of the most objective unbiased online photography sites out there.

After perusing the pentax forum site for a year, I think it is just a means for advertising for B&H/Adorama (there is a subforum called "Ask B&H"), not a genuine Pentax fan site. So good on banning it! There are other more genuine Pentax info/fan sites out there.
 
II have actually been impressed with PF as I refer to their lens reviews from time to time. I am curious though as to the other web sites you are talking about, if you care to share. You can never get enough information.
FooFighter007 wrote:

I tend to tell people that DPReview is one of the most objective unbiased online photography sites out there.

After perusing the pentax forum site for a year, I think it is just a means for advertising for B&H/Adorama (there is a subforum called "Ask B&H"), not a genuine Pentax fan site. So good on banning it! There are other more genuine Pentax info/fan sites out there.
 
Michael de Ruijter wrote:

That did not go unnoticed by me. Just wasn't going to start discussing something that was only sent via pm.
Hi Michael,

I received the same PM and replied with my displeasure at Pentax missing from the GS and would, unless absolutely necessary via work, not be visiting.

That'll make 'em think twice ;-)

Cheers,

Jack

 
Yeah... That's what I immediately noticed.

Would they sell used equipment? It looks like all my LBA interests now are in older discontinued Pentaxes and Sigmas. And KEH started charging taxes for CA residents. 10% ads some noticeable dough to every "treasure" found.

BTW: After buying Sigma 500/4.5, Sigma 8-16, and Sigma 180/3.5 Macro in December 2012 I have shut my LBA for a while ;-)
 
Jack Simpson wrote:
Michael de Ruijter wrote:

That did not go unnoticed by me. Just wasn't going to start discussing something that was only sent via pm.
Hi Michael,

I received the same PM and replied with my displeasure at Pentax missing from the GS and would, unless absolutely necessary via work, not be visiting.

That'll make 'em think twice ;-)

Cheers,

Jack
What puts me off is that's US only (or so it appears).

Alex
 
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My 3 cents worth :

1) I would bet Pentax has significant fault for not being included.

2) If you think a review conclusion and rating might be biased, ignore DPR's conclusion and rating and draw your own conclusion, especially regarding what's important to you. If you think the testing and evaluation was not objective, ask for your money back.

3) I don't have much more reason to suspect their reviews because of the new shop than I did because of Amazon. Well there is that limeted selection factor, though. Hmmm

just my 3cents worth for whatever it's worth

Tim
 
Simon Joinson wrote:

But I would say maybe you should be asking Pentax why they're not on...

Simon
Pure speculation, but here it goes.

Nikon and Canon put a lot of effort into getting these cameras into the hands of specific reviewers, along with a NDA, all the time. Does Pentax do this? Probably not.

Case in point - when the Nikon D7000 came out, Chase Jarvis was the first one to blog about it, almost certainly with Nikon's blessing. He had been shooting with it for some time, and some of his shots were featured in Nikon's press releases.

This is how camera reviews work. DPReview is no different than any other site - they do not go down to Canon HQ and ask if they can play with the new toys - Canon comes to them, and says, "Hey - here is our new camera, it's going to be released in xxx weeks, we would like for you to review it, and by the way, you can post a hands on preview as soon as we announce the camera publicly on the umpteenth of Maruary."

So be kind to DPReview - they are just doing their job, and if I am correct, Pentax is starting to take steps to correct this problem. I suspect that DPReview will have a hands on preview of "the next big thing" from Pentax, as soon as it is announced...
 
John_A_G wrote:

Jeff - exactly why photography magazine reviews have been completely useless for years. Every piece of gear is great. Price is usually the only thing they attack.

This is essentially why - for household products - people love Consumer Reports. They don't have advertising and they don't rely on free demos from companies. While I recognize DPR cannot go that route - this route really hits their credibility.

And, for those of you who don't know - I'm a Canon guy, not a Pentax guy. So, I am not part of the "DPR is out to get Pentax" club. I just believe that any corporation that relies on income from the products they review has a perception problem. Simon's response doesn't reflect real human behavior. His response is basically - "you should trust our integrity because we say so". In general, I think they do a decent job on reviews - I really do. I don't think they are biased toward one brand or another - at least not beyond whatever biases we as humans develop. But, when you start bringing sales and profits into things - that changes matters. SALES divisions drive companies. Again, just my opinion.
Unfortunately, John, Consumer Reports is BY FAR the most useless waste of tree pulp every printed since the Gutenburg Bible. Why do I say that? Well, perhaps it's for the very reason they claim they have no ability to be swayed by conflict of interest: the fact that they accept no advertisements and that they accept no free samples for reviews, but BUY whatever they review directly through the retail chain, just like a consumer would...

Maybe that's why I've consistently found through the years, on the several occasions I've decided to try a subscription to them again, that they choose to review only a limited number of brands in any particular product category, and then only a limited number of products throughout those brand lines. And they don't come around with a second round on those products to catch up the ones they missed -- at least not until the next year -- at which point they generally do the same thing all over again. I've seen this consistently with with all variety of consumer electronics, from HDTVs, to cameras to stereo equipment. In 2006, when I was looking into buying my first HDTV, they didn't even have the brand I was considering listed -- not a single model made by that brand. Not one.

Worse yet. Since the reviewers at Consumer Reports appear to be "generalists," they tend to usually review products on criteria that are often entirely irrelevant to those of us who are really into, and familiar with, stereo equipment, or HDTV, or digital cameras. Similarly, they generally skip many criteria most of us include VITAL information. It's like they just look at these things like someone who never heard of them before and TAKE A GUESS what are the "10 most important features," and then list those, with their take on how each rates.

Consumer Reports is essentially good for one thing, and one thing only... Buying cars.

I'd MUCH rather depend on the reviews in photography magazines and places like here, and I don't care that there may be some bias due to advertising concerns that causes them to never give a really "critical" review. If you read the reviews carefully, you can still see what the downfalls are, regardless of what the final "score" is. They'll generally nitpick the bad stuff, then give kudos for the good stuff and give that more weight in the final score. You just have to know how to read reviews.

Jeff
 
John Waine wrote:

II have actually been impressed with PF as I refer to their lens reviews from time to time. I am curious though as to the other web sites you are talking about, if you care to share. You can never get enough information.
Some are older websites, but are classics regarding older equipment.

The venerable Bojidar Dimitov's website: http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/


 
Maybe they will be eventually. In reply to my disappointment of Pentax not being listed (noted in the gearshop forum), I received a reply of "We hear you" and this link to a more complete answer; http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51484942

So there is a chance Pentax will be included.

Mike Freeze
 
I totally agree Mike - we can expect even more bias, DPR will loose all credibility if they are not careful. Don't expect to many gold or silvers for a product you don't sell!
 
Good Laura - thought we were going to be ignored.
 

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