for Nikon. Do you really hate Nikon cameras? Why? Is there a really a reason for these negative comments? I hope not. All Nikon cameras I've are very good. What's happening? Now I'm scared to buy another Nikon anything.
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Reading Nikon forums...it's mostly nightmare
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ChristopherKnapp
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Maybe I am lost, or I am ready different threads than you are ... but ... what are you talking about?
Read the user reviews on BH Photo, Adorama, and Amazon to get some balanced perspective. If you were around when the d7000 came out you would think that was the worst camera in the world. You want absolutely no risk of getting a defective camera and you are basing your risk assessment on comments on this forum, and most if not all of the responses in your posts have said they would purchase again. You can return the camera if it's defective...what more do you want?
sshoihet
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People come here if they have a problem or they want to complain...the happy ones are out taking pictures and most of them have no idea that this forum even exists
I would not recommend making that type of generalization. Not every Nikon user posts here. Those who do, have not all had issues. Of those who have had issues, many have exchanged their malfunctioning units for properly functioning units. Only some have bought one unit - be it a lens, body, flash, etc. - and returning it without a second though.
Nikon makes excellent products. Even some issues such as localized lubricant splatter, left focus inaccuracy, loose battery doors, backfocus, etc....the problems are all relatively manageable. Moreover, if you assess the issues early on and purchase from a reputable retailer, you're welcome to exchange for a new unit.
In other words, just because something isn't shiny and perfect upon first purchase doesn't mean the entire line sucks.
Generally speaking, generalizations are bad. (Except in the case of this sentence.)
We actually love Nikon cameras. We've become so accustomed to superb performance that we're spoiled, and when things don't measure up or just measure differently than expected we get vocal and busy. If you've ever been in a meeting of engineers reviewing a technical subject you would wonder how anyone survives such vicious tonguelashing.
Nikon has had a few problems of late that every Nikonian is well aware of and is looking for in their new equipment purchases (too much of which is self-defeating), but these are complex instruments, and this is one way of familiarizing one's self with those instruments quirks, features, and benefits. It's gossipy, fractious, and opinionated, but just like the new media, if you read enough and widely enough, plus dig a little yourself, you'll get useful information.
The person who loves you can be not only your toughest critic but your fiercest defender.
Nikon has had a few problems of late that every Nikonian is well aware of and is looking for in their new equipment purchases (too much of which is self-defeating), but these are complex instruments, and this is one way of familiarizing one's self with those instruments quirks, features, and benefits. It's gossipy, fractious, and opinionated, but just like the new media, if you read enough and widely enough, plus dig a little yourself, you'll get useful information.
The person who loves you can be not only your toughest critic but your fiercest defender.
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evan47
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when i was looking for camera advice and came across dp review, i was rather surprised at the negative comments. it seems that this site in particular has the worst reputation for camera knocking and ill informed advice, often from armchair experts, trolls and people who do not know one end of a camera from another! its a fact that things tend to snowball a little on internet forums, dont believe all that you read.
there are some useful people on here though.
find other sites with nikon forums to get a more balanced view.
demarren 123
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I never got an problem with Nikon Belgium.
I always have been happy with Nikon products.
If you get A bad one ,best is to sent it back and wait for another one.
Is that not with all products.
This forum is great,and the only one I use,Its normal people post problems,and not saying my Nikon camera is great.Well some do,most do not do that ,but let me start.
D90 is great camera.Never got an problem.
D3200 is also great camera.Never got an problem
D7100 I do not have one but plan to buy when prise drop.open
How many is 'too many' ? what percentage of production is faulty? and what percentage of nikon customers are on these forums? Let me do the numbers for you. = bugger all.
Now that we have put this into perspective, do you feel now? :-D
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When pushed, at height of the D7000 debacle, some fanboys claimed the failure rate was 'only' about 4%. Although I often asked, none were able to substantiate this with the source of their statistics. Nonetheless taking the figure at its face value, this means the probability of getting a bad one were 1 in 25. Is that acceptable? I say it isn't.
I'm fortunate, my first D70 was perfect and so was my first D300 but there have been plenty of people returning first, second and even third bodies for D7000/D7100. It turns the whole thing into a bit of a lottery.
Of course, pop on a pair of fanboy rose-tinted spectacles and all the problems go away.
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Internet forums tend to swing negative regardless of the topic, and these forums are no different. I personally wouldn't worry about it.
Rudy Pohl
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I have now taken 3,200 shots with my Nikon D7100 and am loving it more each day! It's a pretty freakin' amazing camera!
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I see, so everybody with a negative opinion is being fair and reasonable while everybody with a positive opinion is a deluded fanboy.
Oh, and I just love detailed statistics like "there have been plenty of people returning first, second and even third bodies". Wouldn't it also be fair to say there have been "plenty of people" who haven't had a single problem with their cameras and, in fact, aren't even aware that such problems exist?
People come on the internet to complain. It's just human nature, so I would take anecdotal evidence based on forum postings with a reasonable degree of skepticism.
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I actually spoke with Nikon USA recently and their reported return rate (D7000) has been well less than 1% with total sales from their inventory. That does not include gray market or other overseas markets.
Good thing that's not the actual number then.
Define plenty? I'm seeing very very small numbers reported here. You can go back and count...the raw number is very small.
BTW, Nikon USA's policy is if you return the same camera body a third time, under warranty (regardless of the problem), they replace the body with a new one. Not a documented policy...but one just the same.
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Firstly, the sample is way too small to assume a fail rate of 'only' 4% or indeed 1:25. I think you would be correct in saying that kind of fail rate is unacceptable. BUT, when we hear about these complaints, does anyone actually know what the tolerances are? I don't, and my guess is that no one else does either. What I do know, is that the tolerance level wont be set at zero, or perfect. What I can guarantee, is the I could find almost every camera to be less than optimum in one way or another. Indeed, there is not one item in my own armory that is 100% perfect. So, not a fan boy, I just look at evidence and credibility. ;-)
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Negative comments on forums like this tend to register a higher percentage than is warranted. People don't make time to say, 'My camera is good'. So the negative posts are countered only by the rave reviews, with little representation from the 'merely satisfied'. So the perception is the negative percentage is higher.
Also, be aware that astro-turfing is very sophisticated. Astro-turfers get paid a small sum for every post they make that does not get taken down. There is dedicated software for this purpose. It helps them keep their different personas straight. Each login ID will have different visual cues on their screen to help keep them from getting confused. They can supposedly even back-fill their posting history to make it look like they didn't just join. They use fairly elaborate identities to help convince you they are real. And then they subtly sway your opinion of their client's competition.
I have my doubts that DPReview is infested with them. But, you never know.
Also, be aware that astro-turfing is very sophisticated. Astro-turfers get paid a small sum for every post they make that does not get taken down. There is dedicated software for this purpose. It helps them keep their different personas straight. Each login ID will have different visual cues on their screen to help keep them from getting confused. They can supposedly even back-fill their posting history to make it look like they didn't just join. They use fairly elaborate identities to help convince you they are real. And then they subtly sway your opinion of their client's competition.
I have my doubts that DPReview is infested with them. But, you never know.
1hawaii50
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For me, personally, it's all a matter of perspective. I bought a D600 in November, 2012, to use for my daughter's basketball. While processing my family photos from Christmas Eve, I noticed some spots in the upper left corner of the photos at f/5.6...go figure...I had the "dreaded spots" issues. For me, it never even was a consideration to return the camera. I had already shot numerous basketball games, and the camera was working wonderfully for me. I pulled out my cleaning kit, cleaned the sensor, and kept on shooting.
I've seen SOOOOO many people complaining and saying "I shouldn't have to clean my new camera"....while I agree....FOR ME, I bought my camera to use. It made no sense to me to send the camera back to Nikon and have it gone for 2-3 weeks waiting for them to clean it, when I can do it myself. Then you have to take into consideration that UPS will be playing soccer with the box during shipping, and I was MORE than willing to clean it myself.
My buddy bought a D600 and it had spots. He sent it back. Nikon cleaned it and returned it...more spots. He sent it back again. Nikon replaced it. Spots on the replacement camera. He sent it back. Nikon is now offering to upgrade him to the D800 FREE OF CHARGE. He called me asking what I thought he should do. I told him...the D800 has some outer focus point issues reported, so you may be exchanging a minor issue for a major one. He has been screwing around for almost 2 months shipping cameras back/forth. I offered to clean his first D600 for him, and he declined. I'm not knocking his decision, I'm just saying that FOR ME, I bought the camera to USE....NOT to spend months shipping it across the country.
If my camera had any issue that could NOT be resolved by a simple cleaning, then I would have returned it. I have no problem cleaning my cameras, so for me, it wasn't a big deal.
I've seen SOOOOO many people complaining and saying "I shouldn't have to clean my new camera"....while I agree....FOR ME, I bought my camera to use. It made no sense to me to send the camera back to Nikon and have it gone for 2-3 weeks waiting for them to clean it, when I can do it myself. Then you have to take into consideration that UPS will be playing soccer with the box during shipping, and I was MORE than willing to clean it myself.
My buddy bought a D600 and it had spots. He sent it back. Nikon cleaned it and returned it...more spots. He sent it back again. Nikon replaced it. Spots on the replacement camera. He sent it back. Nikon is now offering to upgrade him to the D800 FREE OF CHARGE. He called me asking what I thought he should do. I told him...the D800 has some outer focus point issues reported, so you may be exchanging a minor issue for a major one. He has been screwing around for almost 2 months shipping cameras back/forth. I offered to clean his first D600 for him, and he declined. I'm not knocking his decision, I'm just saying that FOR ME, I bought the camera to USE....NOT to spend months shipping it across the country.
If my camera had any issue that could NOT be resolved by a simple cleaning, then I would have returned it. I have no problem cleaning my cameras, so for me, it wasn't a big deal.
Pretty much sums it up, been that way for several releases. Seems to be a multitude of reasons not the least of which running down another camera makes them feel good about the one they own.
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