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The 17-55, 15-85, 10-22 are all very nice lenses, also there are some small EF lenses (e.g. 40/2.8) that are good too. Plus I'm sure some more will be along, Canon's been very busy churning out EF-C and EF-M lenses plus updating a bunch of the EF lenses, they design a lot of lenses so I'm sure new EF-S ones will pop out in the coming months, plus not sure what is missing beyond a couple of small primes. (For longer lenses the crop factor compensates for the extra size, plus it's not like there are any really good m43 lenses longer than the 35-100.)

Also there is some suggestion this isn't the same 18MP sensor as before, will be interesting to see.

I'm not at all sure it's supposed to be a m43 competitor, just a handy small camera for anyone who wants one with a huge system of lenses and accessories backing it up.

I'm happy with my GH3 purchase still, but Canon make some nice kit too...
 
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I agree, nice sensible comments. I have m4/3s and Canon, if I want to print big Ill use the Canon APS-C. If I want better low light, I'll use Canon, just a fact it's better. I love my Olys and Pannys, they are small light and easy going for 85% of what I do.
 
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Actually a lot of people are thinking that at the moment. As an Olympus user who has not bought into m4/3 for a lot of reasons the release of the D100 is very interesting. Its also interesting to people outside this forum and a few others who want to go smaller but not tiny and retain the full functionality of a fully fledged DSLR system. Some users prefer a camera with a bit of meat behind it. The OMD is a great camera but it's not cheap and if you are such a user (Who likes a bit of feel to the camera) by the time you have dressed it up to go out and get a job ( Added grip and battery) it actually becomes an expensive camera. (My personal felling)

And before there are comparisons of weight etc , etc getting dug up there are a few reasons for my thoughts. The D100 is the first real small DSLR camera from the big boys with full DSLR systems and is now an alternative to people who want to go smaller and still have the backup of a fully fledged professional system.
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Your conclusion is incorrect. The camera body - unless it is as big as a EOS 1D series - isn't by far the main thing, which makes your photographic equipment small. It is the lenses! The EF and EF-S lenses are simply too big to convince a lot of people, who want a smaller camera system.

The selection of m4/3 lenses is already big enough to make 90% of photographers happy. Some special niches aren't yet covered, like tilt&shift lenses, extreme telephoto lenses, and some macro specialities, but that's it. So, for many, m4/3 is already full-fledged.

Therefore, I don't think that the EOS 100D is a major thread to m4/3. It rather shows that Canon is not willing to create something innovative and new, and shows that now is the time to switch, if you want to get small.
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I subscribe entirely, there is no way that the mirrorbox will come back with a vengeance. It is simply fighting a rearward battle.
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Err Am if one looks at sales its still there and at this point does not need a come back, later maybe but not currently.
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If people want big cameras with OVF there is plenty to choose from yet, but m4/3 is not about being small only. It is about going fully digital and having a competitive IQ with much bigger cameras.
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Why the word competitive should it not be better or equal. As to fully digital you are referring to the viewfinder. Have you ever used a camera with a good optical viewfinder. WYSWYG. What you see is what you get and can make adjustments accordingly not what the camera presents to you or wht it thinks it should present to you.
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Therefore it is forging ahead regardless. Live bulb/time is a good example of what no dSLR will be able to do
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Why not . Correct me if I am wrong Am but if you flip the mirror up and lock it up the camera (DSLR) can act exactly like a mirror less using the rear lCD. No.
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I agree, nice sensible comments. I have m4/3s and Canon, if I want to print big Ill use the Canon APS-C. If I want better low light, I'll use Canon, just a fact it's better. I love my Olys and Pannys, they are small light and easy going for 85% of what I do.
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Lenses I love (after a bottle of Champagne, it's getting to be a cool evening, god this music is loud, :-) oh and note on Canon I'm FF:

Panny 20/1.7 (teeny and great, IMHO better than the 25/1.4, by quite a bit, luckily Roger agrees with me, http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/05/wide-angle-micro-43-imatest-results )

Pany 35-100/2.8 (really really nice, I think the best m43 lens, yes including the 75/1.8)

Canon 85/1.2 mk II (on a different planet to anything here, really, just staggeringly good at f1.2, people using Voigtlanders have no idea - I do miss their lenses I sold with my RD2 tho)

Canon 300/2.8 IS (stupidly sharp, m43 users have no clue as to what a good telephoto is, alas including me, slightly cheaper than a car, although I like nice cars)

Canon 24-105/f4 (best "standard" lens out there, err, Panasonic, do something!)

Canon 14/2.8 mk II (1.7% distortion on a 14, stupidly good, plus the corners don't get killed by software corrections as it's great just as it is - I get quite annoyed by people claiming that as uncorrected m43 results are quite good that means usable pictures are just as good in the corners, which is nonsense, IMHO, not a fan of fan-boys)

Canon 70-200 f2.8 mk II (insanely sharp at f2.8, better at lower apertures, but kinda big and heavy, as an example of pouring money into a lens to make something great it's beyond impressive, but my shoulders greatly prefer the 35-100, and my eyes can live with it if I avoid f2.8 as the Panny's stellar at f4-5.6, well on my GH3 anyway, at f2.8 the Canon is worth the shoulder ache)

Canon 40/2.8 (okay the first one was a dud, but the second one at f2.8 destroys the 12-35 Panny at any aperture you want, alas as I own the 12-35, but the 35-100 made up for it. Err, actually as a wide-angle for m43 the Panny is fine, just not, IMHO, as a standard lens)

Although for a Holiday the 14-140 and 20/1.7 is still a good idea... hmmm, like I'm going anywhere without the 35-100...
 
I have a GH3, the first Panasonic with a competitive sensor since the GH2 IMHO, but at high ISO the 6D kills it (10 stops of DR to over ISO 3200, vs. ISO 800 on my GH3):

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and at low ISO they are all just fine...

For ages m43 have had trailing edge sensors (and indeed I own an example) but briefly they have good sensors and people get carried away. Canon are about to go from 500nm sensors to 180nm sensors so I'd avoid getting too cocky as it might be a short Window of advantage...

BUT any m43/DSLR camera can take good enough images for 95% of situations, so don't stress either...
 
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I have a GH3, the first Panasonic with a competitive sensor since the GH2 IMHO, but at high ISO the 6D kills it (10 stops of DR to over ISO 3200, vs. ISO 800 on my GH3):
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All the time I was talking about Canon EF-S lenses. Logically they fit on APS-C Canon camera's. And than you bring out a full frame camera.... Looks like you didn't read my first reaction.
 
I did, but I shoot FF Canon so went that way...
 
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