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slimandy said:

slimandy wrote:

slimandy said:

amalric wrote:

slimandy said:

My argument however is not about this, it is about the pretense of forcing shallow DOF to genres it doesn't belong to at all, like in Street Shooting. There is a fine example here:

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slimandy said:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51247571

What do you earn by forcing a modicum of bokeh in the street, where the onlooker would rather have the complete scene surrounding the subject?

Frankly I don't remember HCB or Doisneau, the masters of the genre, making use of it.

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Really? I do...

http://sobrefotografia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/henri-cartier-bresson-7.jpg

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It just happened. Bokeh happens to me too

slimandy said:

slimandy said:

For the simple reason that a large aperture slows you down, since you can't make use of hyperfocal, and since it creates a very busy bokeh with obstacles. And then why hide the mess in the street in the first place?

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If you want to isolate your subject you don't need hyperfocal. You focus on you subject.

This is street, not landscape.

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I am not sure that your being Master of the College of Stockbrokers of Brobdinagg, and peddling your piccies at 19 pounds a piece entitles you to judge my street shooting, which is varied, free and appreciated by electronic crowds, despite I use hyperfocal, or deep DOF. I couldn't detect much Street in your Ambitious Site...

So tone down the Inquisition, unless you have no fear of Ridicule, Sir.

slimandy said:

slimandy said:

Do you want to beautify it? Beautification and political correctness are the cardinal sins of the suburban 'culture' Lack of sincerity and lack of perspective are another two.

HCB was a master at selecting the geometry of an image, without using bokeh. I am not sure that at the time there weren't big fast lenses - I myself have a Sonnar 85/2 from the 1950s, but that's the kind of thing you don't use in the street, because it draws too much attention.

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HCB principally used a Leica rangefinder. Leica make some of the fastest glass in the world.

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Leica started by making a folding 50mm/3.5 normal exactly for the same reason why we like pancakes at m4/3. Because they are small.

Just ponder, Sir.

Am.

slimandy said:

slimandy said:

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www.andrewsandersphotography.co.uk

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Your rudeness and sarcasm tell me all I need to know about you. If your opinion had any validity you would not need to resort to either.

slimandy said:

slimandy wrote:

He didn't shoot with an MFT camera though. He tends not to shoot anything that needs shallow DOF or in low light either. If you want to shoot @ f64 you're in the wrong forum!

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I suppose that transaltes then to about f/8.0 in MFT. So maybe amalric should found the F/8.0 club.

KenBalbari said:

KenBalbari wrote:

KenBalbari said:

slimandy wrote:

He didn't shoot with an MFT camera though. He tends not to shoot anything that needs shallow DOF or in low light either. If you want to shoot @ f64 you're in the wrong forum!

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I suppose that transaltes then to about f/8.0 in MFT. So maybe amalric should found the F/8.0 club.

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Yes, probably.

The camera Adams used also makes a mockery of the term 'full frame' meaning 35mm.

amalric said:

amalric wrote:

... it's hard for me to think of m4/3 like a studio kit or for commercial work: I think of it as a street shooter, where it has everything.

... you are certainly right in looking for faster lenses. The only reason I hear here to get them is for pets and brats ...

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amalric said:

Photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amalric

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17mm Focal Length, F=7.1. Who could ask for more stunning resolution with crystalline acuity.

amalric said:

amalric wrote:
So tone down the Inquisition, unless you have no fear of Ridicule, Sir.

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Magister Luny is growing tired of these cheap shot from mere hoi polloi. Ingrates all, mere vermin !



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They self-righteously assail me with their pitiful barbs. Do they not recognize true artistic genius ?



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Look what happened to the last poseur who assaulted my artistic honor. Rather lost his head, eh ?



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Not long after, he crawled like a dog back into his decrepit rented room (shared kitchen, bath).



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Soon after, the entire clan of the bokeh poseurs began to squirm and writhe in my terrible wrath.



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Yes, that's it, man the last lifeboat, your one measely chance to escape like pitiful worms, scum ...



... before the endless night of vapid, uninspired ignorance descends upon the tramps and beggars.