OMD seems expensive compared to GH3 now....

I wouldn't call the EM-5 older (as it has the same sensor as the GH3)...just that the GH3 was released later, and highlights different features.

The change in pricing seems to be more of a market thing: There is less demand for the GH3, so its price drops. The demand is stable on the Em-5 so it doesn't change.
 
micronean wrote:

I wouldn't call the EM-5 older (as it has the same sensor as the GH3)...just that the GH3 was released later, and highlights different features.

The change in pricing seems to be more of a market thing: There is less demand for the GH3, so its price drops. The demand is stable on the Em-5 so it doesn't change.
I suspect the OM-D is going to keep it's high price until Oly releases an update. It's the same with most "benchmark" cameras. Never thought I'd see a m4/3s camera as an industry benchmark. By benchmark I mean a camera that isn't necessarily best at everything, but one that ends up being used a standard for comparison. Other examples would be the D7000, perhaps the 5D2, etc.
 
micronean wrote:

I wouldn't call the EM-5 older (as it has the same sensor as the GH3)...just that the GH3 was released later, and highlights different features.
Older in the sense that the EM-5 is likely to be replaced (and become "obsolete" in a pricing sense) before the GH3 -- since this thread seems to be about prices, not component provenance :-)
 
jagge wrote:

Allready now the GH3 price is dropping. In europe now only 100 eur more expensive than OMD. Is it just me or is the OMD looking more and more expensive ??

Off course the Oly is great BUT it ceartainly is also quite a bit older than the GH3.

Jakob

well oly is much better camera with higher demand.
 
nekrosoft13 wrote:
jagge wrote:

Allready now the GH3 price is dropping. In europe now only 100 eur more expensive than OMD. Is it just me or is the OMD looking more and more expensive ??

Off course the Oly is great BUT it ceartainly is also quite a bit older than the GH3.

Jakob
well oly is much better camera with higher demand.
Different. Not necessarily better.
 
Mjankor wrote:
nekrosoft13 wrote:
jagge wrote:

Allready now the GH3 price is dropping. In europe now only 100 eur more expensive than OMD. Is it just me or is the OMD looking more and more expensive ??

Off course the Oly is great BUT it ceartainly is also quite a bit older than the GH3.

Jakob
well oly is much better camera with higher demand.
Different. Not necessarily better.

as far as camera is concerned I believe it is, OMD is more of a true camera, GH3 is more of camera with fancy video options.
 
nekrosoft13 wrote:
Mjankor wrote:
nekrosoft13 wrote:
jagge wrote:

Allready now the GH3 price is dropping. In europe now only 100 eur more expensive than OMD. Is it just me or is the OMD looking more and more expensive ??

Off course the Oly is great BUT it ceartainly is also quite a bit older than the GH3.

Jakob
well oly is much better camera with higher demand.
Different. Not necessarily better.
as far as camera is concerned I believe it is, OMD is more of a true camera, GH3 is more of camera with fancy video options.
I've used them both. The OMD is different but both are good stills cameras. The GH3 is a bit more DSLR styled so it appeals to a different audience. Both have broadly similar photographic specifications and features and similar controls.
 
Mjankor wrote:

I've used them both. The OMD is different but both are good stills cameras. The GH3 is a bit more DSLR styled so it appeals to a different audience. Both have broadly similar photographic specifications and features and similar controls.
See now that makes sense. Well said and personally I would take the GH3 and not for reasons of IQ at all. Simply that it would suit me better, while others would suit the OMD. Horses for courses.

All the best and nice to see some sense. Well said.

Danny.
 
Oly does seem to stick stubbornly to high prices for top-of-the-range models, until they are superseded. The E-P3 is a case in point, IMHO.
 
Mjankor wrote:
micronean wrote:

I wouldn't call the EM-5 older (as it has the same sensor as the GH3)...just that the GH3 was released later, and highlights different features.

The change in pricing seems to be more of a market thing: There is less demand for the GH3, so its price drops. The demand is stable on the Em-5 so it doesn't change.
I suspect the OM-D is going to keep it's high price until Oly releases an update. It's the same with most "benchmark" cameras. Never thought I'd see a m4/3s camera as an industry benchmark. By benchmark I mean a camera that isn't necessarily best at everything, but one that ends up being used a standard for comparison. Other examples would be the D7000, perhaps the 5D2, etc.
The Price with kit lens has dropped by as much as £150.
 
jagge wrote:

Allready now the GH3 price is dropping. In europe now only 100 eur more expensive than OMD. Is it just me or is the OMD looking more and more expensive ??

Off course the Oly is great BUT it ceartainly is also quite a bit older than the GH3.

Jakob
Pricing is a complex matter and involves supply and demand, marketing and publicity, company's finance, and many others things. The E-M5 is older but it must be selling better and more appealing to buyers if is still has roughly its release price. I think the GH3, while just as good in stills and much better in video and in a couple other features such as ergonomics, set its target market too high. Its price is significantly higher than so many DSLRs, which must be a big problem for people who apparently still regard DSLRs as better cameras, though bigger. And yet, the GH3 is just slightly smaller.

It's a worry if Panasonic has to drop the price of the GH3 so soon after the cameras actually are available for sale on the store shelves. I suspect demand is not good. I think Panasonic miscalculated a bit, when it put so much advanced video features in it and therefore has to set its price significantly higher than the E-M5 at launch. The E-M5 has been all the rage and what the majority of camera buyers at this level want, i.e. these photographers are not that demanding when it comes to video to want to pay more for extra video quality, but they all pixel peep at photos it seems. Not many people want to make high quality movies. In terms of still quality, the GH3 is at most the equal of the E-M5 but costs more, and to most buyers, that is all they can see when making decisions about.

I think if Panasonic gives the G6 the same or better sensor, then it would be fine. Otherwise, it would be a disaster. If it does, then there is something to satisfy people who want a lower price camera with top still photo quality and not having to pay top price for fancy video. At this time, Panasonic seems to be saying, You want the best image quality? You pay the highest price. All or nothing; take it or leave it. And many left, as the G5 has an uncompetitive sensor and quality, while the GX1 has even worse. That plays into the hand of Olympus, which gives all its cameras the same high IQ as the top E-M5. Unfortunately, the GF6 seems to also have GX1's IQ, though slightly improved using software. Panasonic cannot afford to continue to make such strategic mistakes. It should go all out and compete, not just on features, but also on what people most care about - IQ.
 
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Mjankor wrote:
nekrosoft13 wrote:
jagge wrote:

Allready now the GH3 price is dropping. In europe now only 100 eur more expensive than OMD. Is it just me or is the OMD looking more and more expensive ??

Off course the Oly is great BUT it ceartainly is also quite a bit older than the GH3.

Jakob
well oly is much better camera with higher demand.
Different. Not necessarily better.
It has much more appeal for the traditional mirrorless crowd who don't care for video.

I think that Panasonic was asking too much for the GH3.. So now they have to lower their price.
 
jagge wrote:

Allready now the GH3 price is dropping. In europe now only 100 eur more expensive than OMD. Is it just me or is the OMD looking more and more expensive ??
What type of logic is that? The OMD is just as it was. The GH3 is getting less expensive. Maybe you mean that GH3 is looking like a better value because the price as dropped? What is it with the battle between Oly and Panasonic here anyway?
 
Sergey Borachev wrote:
jagge wrote:

Allready now the GH3 price is dropping. In europe now only 100 eur more expensive than OMD. Is it just me or is the OMD looking more and more expensive ??

Off course the Oly is great BUT it ceartainly is also quite a bit older than the GH3.

Jakob
Pricing is a complex matter and involves supply and demand, marketing and publicity, company's finance, and many others things. The E-M5 is older but it must be selling better and more appealing to buyers if is still has roughly its release price. I think the GH3, while just as good in stills and much better in video and in a couple other features such as ergonomics, set its target market too high. Its price is significantly higher than so many DSLRs, which must be a big problem for people who apparently still regard DSLRs as better cameras, though bigger. And yet, the GH3 is just slightly smaller.

It's a worry if Panasonic has to drop the price of the GH3 so soon after the cameras actually are available for sale on the store shelves. I suspect demand is not good. I think Panasonic miscalculated a bit, when it put so much advanced video features in it and therefore has to set its price significantly higher than the E-M5 at launch. The E-M5 has been all the rage and what the majority of camera buyers at this level want, i.e. these photographers are not that demanding when it comes to video to want to pay more for extra video quality, but they all pixel peep at photos it seems. Not many people want to make high quality movies. In terms of still quality, the GH3 is at most the equal of the E-M5 but costs more, and to most buyers, that is all they can see when making decisions about.

I think if Panasonic gives the G6 the same or better sensor, then it would be fine. Otherwise, it would be a disaster. If it does, then there is something to satisfy people who want a lower price camera with top still photo quality and not having to pay top price for fancy video. At this time, Panasonic seems to be saying, You want the best image quality? You pay the highest price. All or nothing; take it or leave it. And many left, as the G5 has an uncompetitive sensor and quality, while the GX1 has even worse. That plays into the hand of Olympus, which gives all its cameras the same high IQ as the top E-M5. Unfortunately, the GF6 seems to also have GX1's IQ, though slightly improved using software. Panasonic cannot afford to continue to make such strategic mistakes. It should go all out and compete, not just on features, but also on what people most care about - IQ.
I agree with your analysis. When it comes to sensors, it will probably be a tough decision : if they go the GH3 road for the lower models, then that means getting the Sony sensor, which is probably not without impact on their own sensors manufactures; they may have to decide whether they close their sensor department at least partially..but they were announcing new research to improve color rendering at higher ISO... So it doesn't look as if they wanted to shut down the sensor department.. Which doesn't bode too well for the coming cameras.
 
Mjankor wrote:
Alumna Gorp wrote:

Here in the UK this is quite a big sudden drop.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=358549767&pf_rd_i=468294
Mind you, you guys have been screwed with Olympus pricing for ages. It might be a reasonably adjustment.
Yeh its pretty expensive here, we pay in pounds what others pay in dollors :)

I get the impression that there could be another kit lens on the way packaged with the OMD, the body only price has remained about the same.

Edit, no that`s dropped as well, by about £100.
 
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