Phororhacos
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The D800E was never bad for me, I don(t see any changes in its focus ability after the firmware.
Hell of a camera, always was!
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D800 Firmware Update - soon we'll forget how bad it was!?
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primeshooter
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Robin you are bang off, here is why. The initial poster here remarked saying people who have sent their camera off to Nikon again and again, who still can't seem to fix their left AF point issue should just roll over and become a fanboy just because of some firmware update, which might I add, does not fix it. Yeh, that's a fanboy!
The only reason you have nothing to complain about is that you got a working camera from the start. Praise God! I am pleased for you. Some of us have been jerked around for a year. It sours the experience, just a little. Yes, I am happy if indeed it has been fixed, of course, I will wait until I have tested it before saying anything else!
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harryh
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Wake up; the firmware will not make it another camera
The D800 is a dream camera. Some people here have unrealistic expectations of a camera.
Yes it makes focus mistakes with a 85mm at 1.4 and the child is moving to your camra. Yes it has some noise at 12K iso. Yes liveview is not perfect. But with it i can still focus very accurate.
And the lcd is sooooo green. Wow, glue a magenta filter to the lcd, it helps a lot.
and yes, it can't do 100 frames / second.
What it can do is still wonderful and unbelavable. The quality is great. The (printed) photo's toot good to be true. When you can't make good photo's; don't blame the camera / firmware/ lens or Nikon. Buy a book.
The D800 is a dream camera. Some people here have unrealistic expectations of a camera.
Yes it makes focus mistakes with a 85mm at 1.4 and the child is moving to your camra. Yes it has some noise at 12K iso. Yes liveview is not perfect. But with it i can still focus very accurate.
And the lcd is sooooo green. Wow, glue a magenta filter to the lcd, it helps a lot.
and yes, it can't do 100 frames / second.
What it can do is still wonderful and unbelavable. The quality is great. The (printed) photo's toot good to be true. When you can't make good photo's; don't blame the camera / firmware/ lens or Nikon. Buy a book.
Marcin 3M
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If an issue is specific to the lens type, not to the particular lens sample, it can be solved by a fw upgrade.
I've noticed major improvement of d300 and 50/1.8d after fw upgrade. The same was with 85/1.8.
So far focusing with 24/1.4 is hit and miss with tungsten light, and mentioned 24-70 lens is almost unusable in my case. So this fw was a hope for a solution...
I've noticed major improvement of d300 and 50/1.8d after fw upgrade. The same was with 85/1.8.
So far focusing with 24/1.4 is hit and miss with tungsten light, and mentioned 24-70 lens is almost unusable in my case. So this fw was a hope for a solution...
Robin Casady
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Few people were as unhappy with Nikon, via the D800 disaster, as me.
And make no mistake: When virtually every website, blog and youtube video is talking about a high-end DSLR issue you DO have a real problem.
Not long ago I DARED to suggest that the D800 AF was weak. The weakness was specific to shooting portraits and candids in poor light. Like many, I could not trust the D800 to focus on eyes as I had with the D700.
I caught a LOT of flak for that with people with FAR less experience questioning my ability to shoot, but I knew the facts, not to mention working pros who were having the same struggles and fighting with Nikon over it. In recent months we've seen more admissions from owners who "discovered" the D800 did not focus reliably in some settings/light.
And here you can separate the hobbyists and testers from those who shoot jobs or press their gear to the limit frequently via real shooting. My D800 TESTED fine. But shooting a wedding or portrait session always returned more OOF shots than with my other gear.
There is ZERO doubt now about this. One-by-one my friends have downloaded the D800 and D800e upgrade and all are excited by the OBVIOUS and clear change in AF behavior. It is generally specific to shooting people, so if you're not shooting wide open and trying to tag the center of an eye, you might think nothing has changed. But I, and many others, DO shoot that way. And now I'm having a near perfect AF result and my buddies are reporting the same. THRILLED isn't a big enough word.
AND: Nikon will admit nothing. They got this worked out to a good degree, but admitting the D800 was "broken" can actually lead to lawsuits. I know two people myself who'd sue Nikon over lost wages had they "admitted" to the AF defect a year later.
As for me...I'm enjoying my NEW D800 with AF that is absolutely not missing shots like it used to. I'm really looking forward to using it on a job in two weeks.
I'm happy with the D800 at last.
Robert
And make no mistake: When virtually every website, blog and youtube video is talking about a high-end DSLR issue you DO have a real problem.
Not long ago I DARED to suggest that the D800 AF was weak. The weakness was specific to shooting portraits and candids in poor light. Like many, I could not trust the D800 to focus on eyes as I had with the D700.
I caught a LOT of flak for that with people with FAR less experience questioning my ability to shoot, but I knew the facts, not to mention working pros who were having the same struggles and fighting with Nikon over it. In recent months we've seen more admissions from owners who "discovered" the D800 did not focus reliably in some settings/light.
And here you can separate the hobbyists and testers from those who shoot jobs or press their gear to the limit frequently via real shooting. My D800 TESTED fine. But shooting a wedding or portrait session always returned more OOF shots than with my other gear.
There is ZERO doubt now about this. One-by-one my friends have downloaded the D800 and D800e upgrade and all are excited by the OBVIOUS and clear change in AF behavior. It is generally specific to shooting people, so if you're not shooting wide open and trying to tag the center of an eye, you might think nothing has changed. But I, and many others, DO shoot that way. And now I'm having a near perfect AF result and my buddies are reporting the same. THRILLED isn't a big enough word.
AND: Nikon will admit nothing. They got this worked out to a good degree, but admitting the D800 was "broken" can actually lead to lawsuits. I know two people myself who'd sue Nikon over lost wages had they "admitted" to the AF defect a year later.
As for me...I'm enjoying my NEW D800 with AF that is absolutely not missing shots like it used to. I'm really looking forward to using it on a job in two weeks.
I'm happy with the D800 at last.
Robert
thomas2279f
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GroWeb
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I really appreciate your flexibility in changing your "tune" with the change in your experience with the camera, as well as your willingness to be equally vocal about the positive improvements as you were about the problems. This balanced behaviour of yours is very refreshing.
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A Owens
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Alejandro Daz del Ro Fery
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This FW has failed to solved my blood pressure and cholesterol. 
My D800 was never bad for me, at all, in fact it's by far the best camera I've ever owned including my 5D Mk II and X-Pro1 (and a long list of others).
I pre-ordered the D800 when it was announced, and it has exceeded my expectations by a mile. I have no issues with AF (it's quite fast and accurate even in low-light) and files from the camera are gorgeous.
To have access to the kind of IQ that the D800 provides for under 3000 USD is remarkable so I usually take any D800 rants with a grain of salt. But for whatever reason, people on these boards will pick appart anything camera no matter what. And over the past few months, I've seen a lot of blame going to the gear that could easily have been chalked up to user error or not reading the manual. But no one camera, as great as the D800 is, is the right fit for every photographers.
But I don't appreciate threads that try to speak for my experience with the D800 (or a collective D800 experience) which has been overwhelmingly positive.
Cheers, and happy shooting, Markus Arike
I pre-ordered the D800 when it was announced, and it has exceeded my expectations by a mile. I have no issues with AF (it's quite fast and accurate even in low-light) and files from the camera are gorgeous.
To have access to the kind of IQ that the D800 provides for under 3000 USD is remarkable so I usually take any D800 rants with a grain of salt. But for whatever reason, people on these boards will pick appart anything camera no matter what. And over the past few months, I've seen a lot of blame going to the gear that could easily have been chalked up to user error or not reading the manual. But no one camera, as great as the D800 is, is the right fit for every photographers.
But I don't appreciate threads that try to speak for my experience with the D800 (or a collective D800 experience) which has been overwhelmingly positive.
Cheers, and happy shooting, Markus Arike
Ramon Vaquero
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Alejandro Daz del Ro Fery wrote:
This FW has failed to solved my blood pressure and cholesterol.
Robin Casady
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I expect this firmware update will reduce the high blood pressure, caused by performance anxiety, for many photographers.Alejandro Daz del Ro Fery wrote:
This FW has failed to solved my blood pressure and cholesterol.
Rick Knepper
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I really wish people would not lie about the history of the D800. And I hope we don't see the same sort of lies about the D600.
BOTH the D800 and D600 have had the worst history of ANY DSLR camera I've seen. The issues have been documented, written about, video recorded and widely IGNORED by Nikon.
Until now. So far as I can tell the new firmware has made the D800 a much more reliable focusing camera. Most of the photos I see from the the folks NOT complaining are not asking much of the AF module and that's fine.
But those who push these cameras into poor lighting scenarios with fast lenses know where the limitations have been. After updating the firmware and pressing the camera into TERRIBLE lighting environments the improvement is HUGE.
Robert
Tommot1965
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LOL. lying is a harsh term Robert..from the posters perspective hes telling the truth as he perceives it..
same as you tell your version of the truth..as you see it...
M Lammerse
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Hi,
Bad means the camera is non-operational. I think the amount of people which really had/have a bad D800 camera is in the 'normal' figures.
D800 cameras' with issues is an other story. As I have myself the left focus issue I know what one of the issues is.
I've done some testings with the 70-200mm F/2.8G yesterday during a soccer match (AF-C in 1,9,21 points) and I can't notice a difference. It still is as good as before.
Tracking in 3D modus is what gave me at least the feeling it is bit quicker. Also in use with my prime lenses I feel a bit better performance, however can't say it is a difference of night and day.
The performance of focusing of the D800 depends in my opinion heavily on the scene recognition system. It might be they made some changes to it.
A fine camera got finer.
Michel
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